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DIRTY-MAC
06-04-2004, 06:57 PM
I personally see this as an part of WWII
but I know some will protest so thats why I
say after WWI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/china_chin.htm

DIRTY-MAC
06-04-2004, 06:57 PM
I personally see this as an part of WWII
but I know some will protest so thats why I
say after WWI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/china_chin.htm

LEXX_Luthor
06-04-2004, 07:08 PM
Yes! Chinese Gladiators http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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On 27 December 1939 Chin Shui-Tin flew his final action over Kwangsi. Chin was leading two Gladiators and one I-15bis from the 32nd PS on an escort mission for three Soviet Volunteer BG SB bombers. During the mission they became involved in combat with Japanese fighters. All three Chinese fighters were shot down. One pilot, Wei Yi-Ging (Commander of the 32nd PS) was killed and the I-15bis pilot, Chen Ye-Hsin, force-landed on the battlefield after being wounded in the back. Chin, after being hit while shooting an A5M off Chen's tail, was hit from behind by another A5M. His Gladiator caught fire but he managed to nurse it back over Chinese lines near Naning before bailing out, suffering terrible burns to his face and hands. The Japanese fighters were probably A5Ms from the 14th Kokutai led by Ensign Kazu-o Muranaka. Muranaka who had arrived to Nanning during the day flew a combat air patroll in the afternoon together with Sea1c Nojima. They engaged single-engine aircraft they jointly claimed 2 victories and one probable. These were the 14th Kokutai's first victories. However the Soviet Volunteers got through and bombed their targets unmolested, contributing to the successful Chinese Army counter-attack at the Kunlun Pass.

Chinese sources also claimed that ground troops found three enemy wrecks (two with serial numbers recorded) in the area after the action, which could match with Chin's claim for 2 destroyed and 1 probable during this combat. However, these claims have not been possible to verify with Japanese records.

Chin lay wounded in a rice paddy for several days until he was found and rescued by Chinese soldiers.

ROCAF records indicate that the 32nd PS flight of three Gladiators and one I-15bis under Art Chin fought 2 air-to-air engagements in September 1939 and 5 in November and December 1939, claiming 4 confirmed kills (3 on 27December 1939) and 3 damaged.

Chin spent a long time in various hospitals. He was in Hong Kong when it was captured by the Japanese, but managed to escape with his wife and two children, and eventually returned for treatment to the US.

He was discharged from the Chinese Air Force on 1 March 1945. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
more here---&gt; http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/sino-japanese.htm

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DIRTY-MAC
06-04-2004, 07:36 PM
There are a lot of interesting stuff to read
on these pages, alot.

here yo have some more early war american aces

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/us.htm

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wayno7777
06-04-2004, 09:38 PM
Going by after WW1 there were at least two American aces in the Spanish Civil war. Albert "Ajax" Baumler with 13 victories and Frank Glasgow Tinker with 8 victories. They flew Polikarpov I-15's and later I-16's. From ACES by William Yenne. Baulmer's final victory came on July 8th 1937. Frank Tinker is the first American to down a Bf-109. On July 12th, 1937. He got a second one on July 17th. His last was a Fiat the next day.

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DIRTY-MAC
06-06-2004, 09:16 AM
yep and you can read all about them and what aircraft they shot down on the second link I gave above http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KIMURA
06-06-2004, 03:10 PM
I would suggest that for a good read about early Gladiator aces. Stories about Gladiator aces during the Chinese/Japanese campain, RAF Norwegian - Greece and N.African campain.

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