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faustnik
02-23-2004, 01:02 PM
Looks like I missed some interesting threads last week (I was on a REAL fishing trip intead of joining the trolling here). Gibbage's "B&Z takes no skill" is a classic. I think the reason for claims like Gibbage's and some of the recent "190s are uber" rants are the direct result of the evil "no-cockpit" view.

B&Z becomes very simple if your flying in a fishbowl with a gunsight. No need to bank and track the barely visable grey dot when you can just watch him through the floor of your a/c. Better yet, watch the silly arrows instead.

The 190 is a very difficult a/c to fly, even for some who flys it frequently, because the cockpit views are so limited. Pretend to be Linda Carter in the Inviso-Wulf and you have a four 20mm cannon deflection shooting uberplane on your hands. I think this might explain the "190s are n00b planes" posts.

I'm not telling anyone how to fly here, I'm just saying lots of the frustrations expressed on this forum are the result of relaxed settings.

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faustnik
02-23-2004, 01:02 PM
Looks like I missed some interesting threads last week (I was on a REAL fishing trip intead of joining the trolling here). Gibbage's "B&Z takes no skill" is a classic. I think the reason for claims like Gibbage's and some of the recent "190s are uber" rants are the direct result of the evil "no-cockpit" view.

B&Z becomes very simple if your flying in a fishbowl with a gunsight. No need to bank and track the barely visable grey dot when you can just watch him through the floor of your a/c. Better yet, watch the silly arrows instead.

The 190 is a very difficult a/c to fly, even for some who flys it frequently, because the cockpit views are so limited. Pretend to be Linda Carter in the Inviso-Wulf and you have a four 20mm cannon deflection shooting uberplane on your hands. I think this might explain the "190s are n00b planes" posts.

I'm not telling anyone how to fly here, I'm just saying lots of the frustrations expressed on this forum are the result of relaxed settings.

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XyZspineZyX
02-23-2004, 01:11 PM
Amen, brother.

Friends don't let friends fly Wonder Woman style.

musickna
02-23-2004, 01:21 PM
I wouldn't call WWV 'evil', but there is no doubt that flying in cockpit increases the immersion factor in FB - and hence the pleasure for me. But each to his own.

BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:

I'm just saying lots of the frustrations expressed on this forum are the result of relaxed settings.


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And poorly administered servers. I can't believe the amount of lag people deal with, and more importantly, the amount of false-positives triggered on everyones built-in cheat detector.

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JG27_Dacripler
02-23-2004, 01:47 PM
I think faustnik went on a fishing vacation but forgot his can opener in the UBI drawer.

J30Vader
02-23-2004, 01:48 PM
Ahhhhhhhhh immersion.

I look to my front, I see a monitor, speaker controls, a bookcase, a router, a modem, a CPU, several disks. And the TV.

Look left. A Tv, VCR, DVD, More bookcases, a chair, a two doors. A brass coat rack.

Look right. A dresser, several pictures, a window.

Look down, a carpet and the swivel chair I sit in.

Look at the monitor, I see a view that is far too restrictive. A monocular view of a binocular world.

But as someone said, and he *is* right. To each their own. So long as you enjoy the game.

LEXX_Luthor
02-23-2004, 01:49 PM
Most fascinating, forcing Cockpit View ON affects all people. So everything evens out, almost...

Granted, some will Whine about a poor cockpit view on some planes, here or there, compared to other planes, and this is historically correct Whining, as real WW2 pilots Whined like spanked babies about their Cockpit View (even so far as to force Japanese Army to tell Nakajima to leave off the canopy on Ki~27 http://www.sf-fandom.com/vbulletin/images/smilies/crying.gif ). However, I assume Oleg's code allows for the FM, DM, and pilot kill advantages of things like razor back canopies over the bubbly canopies. Perhaps that is alot to assume (Fw190 DM), hence the Whining about Cockpit View has some merit.

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SeaFireLIV
02-23-2004, 01:54 PM
WWV IS evil. All such infidels should be hung, drawn and quartered- then burned at the stake! And even more so if you say your good at B & Z while using no cockpit view. Good B & Zers are those that do it with the cockpit on. That`s where the skill is (which I have yet to master).

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BpGemini
02-23-2004, 02:05 PM
When you use 'Wonder Woman View'..... http://users.urbi.com.br/leocosta/forums/homocommunist-thewhiteguy.jpg

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Monty_Thrud
02-23-2004, 02:08 PM
I think of(and use) WWV as arcade ,which is great for the no take off quicky dogfight servers...but choose to fly cockpit on 9/10
Besides i dont particularly like WWV with trackir, but each to his own http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 02:12 PM
BLA BLA BLA........ MORE I FLY PIT YOU DONT BS

I fly bolth styles & I like bolth why cant people just stop all this crying about views & just die without so much hype.

PS. The In pit view in this GAME is NOTHING LIKE REALITY SO STOP ALREADY !!!

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BpGemini
02-23-2004, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
BLA BLA BLA........ MORE I FLY PIT YOU DONT BS

I fly bolth styles & I like bolth why cant people just stop all this crying about views & just die without so much hype.

PS. The In pit view in this GAME is NOTHING LIKE REALITY SO STOP ALREADY !!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 02:25 PM
Clearly, champions don't fly 'in pit'.

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faustnik
02-23-2004, 02:31 PM
Im not saying that you're gay if you fly WW, I'm saying WW view is responsible for some of the complaints about FMs, B&Z, etc.

Speaking of gayness, none of you h0m0s asked if I caught any fish. Darn cityfolk. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 02:36 PM
I cant evem fly right now my flying rig's mobo bios died waiting for abit rma stuff...

So ive been over here snooping around more than usual & its just amazing how many times I see posts regaurding this subject open pit or bnz

add them together & its a firestorm of people crying foul....

like I said before I fly bolth styles & like them bolth alot

FR = awsome for groundpounding

arcade = awsome for DF'ing

its all a game & the crying is beyond OLD its madning...

I never thought id see foust posting this stuff he has flown bolth styles as well, im sure hes FR all the way now but realy what does it mater, unless FR guys are coming into open pit games & getting there hats handed to them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

even then it realy dosent make any differance when you look @ the big picture right ?

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Weather_Man
02-23-2004, 02:37 PM
Bunch of cockpit-only homophobes. Ironic, isn't it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Dnmy
02-23-2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
I'm not telling anyone how to fly here, I'm just saying lots of the frustrations expressed on this forum are the result of relaxed settings.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's rather the opposite.

A lot of the relaxed settings are a direct result of frustrations with the cockpits and more specifically the view from the cockpits, as they are modelled in FB.

AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 02:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Im not saying that you're gay if you fly WW, I'm saying WW view is responsible for some of the complaints about FMs, B&Z, etc.

Speaking of gayness, none of you h0m0s asked if I caught any fish. Darn cityfolk. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL foust you know im not gay ... least I hope you do heheh

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SeaFireLIV
02-23-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Weather_Man:
Bunch of cockpit-only homophobes. Ironic, isn't it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So I should be a WWV hetereosexualphobe?

BaldieJr
02-23-2004, 02:41 PM
Maybe NatrualPoint should put on a FR, squad compitetion, with cool prizes and stuff. That would be cool!

They could also have a side-competition (insignificant: entertainment only) just for the WWV people, and give each member of the winning team a TiR2, so next year they could compete in the Big Show.

How cool would that be?

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BpGemini
02-23-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:
I cant evem fly right now my flying rig's mobo bios died waiting for abit rma stuff...

So ive been over here snooping around more than usual & its just amazing how many times I see posts regaurding this subject open pit or bnz

add them together & its a firestorm of people crying foul....

like I said before I fly bolth styles & like them bolth alot

FR = awsome for groundpounding

arcade = awsome for DF'ing

its all a game & the crying is beyond OLD its madning...

I never thought id see foust posting this stuff he has flown bolth styles as well, im sure hes FR all the way now but realy what does it mater, unless FR guys are coming into open pit games & getting there hats handed to them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

even then it realy dosent make any differance when you look @ the big picture right ?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


To me the big picture says "fly what you like". After seeing this topic a cagillion times I can only have fun with it. It cracks me up to see people getting all ruffled about it. I also think it's funny when "arcaders" say "FRers" get their arse handed to them when yada yada. Generally the advantage goes to whom is use to flying the current settings but realistically the arse handing happens much more often in the "easy - no pit" to "FR - pit" setting. To try and say otherwise you're just kidding yourself. Fly what you want, have fun, just don't kid yourself.

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faustnik
02-23-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Locust:

I never thought id see foust posting this stuff he has flown bolth styles as well, im sure hes FR all the way now but realy what does it mater, unless FR guys are coming into open pit games & getting there hats handed to them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the record, I tried WW view once in IL-2. It made me sick to my stomach and I don't even get seasick. You are not reading my post Locust. I'm not trying to judge to moral correctness of WW view. I'm saying it is the cause of some specific forum complaints.

And since you almost asked, I caught a bunch of bass up at Clear Lake last week. The water was 47 degrees but, the fish were all over a rip bait. Caught 40 between 1.5 and 8 pounds over the course of the week. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 02:57 PM
Sweet sounds like they were hitin the top hard

wish i was there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Copy on the post subject

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 03:00 PM
Baldie Clutch_663rd is doing something very close to that minus the prizes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

In FS_II

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WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Im not saying that you're gay if you fly WW, I'm saying WW view is responsible for some of the complaints about FMs, B&Z, etc.

Speaking of gayness, none of you h0m0s asked if I caught any fish. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i am tho

its gay

it really is

ita a *** veiw system for homos

gay gay gay

homo to the core

why dont they use the pit ? cause they suck ? , i dont know & i dont care

cause they are gay

as in homosexual

WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 03:14 PM
& if you can make kills & Dogfight effectivly in locked cockpit view (no externals)

then you can fight waaaaay better with those "cheats"

yes i said cheats

cause yer cheating

& i want flames

so go play with yer cheats you homos

faustnik
02-23-2004, 03:19 PM
That was a little nuts Badsight. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Please, put the AK down and come down from the tower. The WWV fans are not after you. Ignore them, and they'll ignore you.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 03:20 PM
but i have a clean shot

ill plink em off from here

you just keep yer distance you

faustnik
02-23-2004, 03:23 PM
Be careful, they can see through the ledge you're hiding behind. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 03:26 PM
D A N G it

didnt think about that

Huxley_S
02-23-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Pretend to be Linda Carter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's easier said than done mate http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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02-23-2004, 03:43 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Linda can be my cockpit anytime. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Wow.

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XyZspineZyX
02-23-2004, 03:50 PM
First off, all of you spouting hate messages with "homo" and "gay" and all that crap, just stop it. It's irrelevant to this discussion and highly offensive. Not to mention immature.
========================

As to the REAL topic, I once again point out that those who "choose" WW view almost always do it out of a sense of personal convenience. The post above that says it best:

BPGemini wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>arcade = awsome for DF'ing<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As if the pilots had a "choice" to go with or without their cockpits. As if one suddenly can't dogfight with the cockpit on. A pure GAMER argument. (Which is a valid one for some people, but don't expect sim-fans not to look down on it for what it is).

WUAF_Badsight
02-23-2004, 03:53 PM
Stigler is G A Y

crazyivan1970
02-23-2004, 04:11 PM
Very well said Faustnik.
Too bad this thread was kind of highjacked http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DaBallz
02-23-2004, 06:33 PM
You full real guys have shown intolerance
of any other settings some may use.
Pull your heads out of your collective asses
and drop the subject.
The 'game setting gestapo' will never change
the way of those who prefer cockpit optional play.

As to the B&Z question.
B&Z is simply a tactic, that's it.
BUT the Bf-109K4 has a bug that allows it to
be climbed and dived in such a way to give
it speeds faster than a Me-262 at any altitude.
I did not believe it until I tried it.
You can get where your going faster by going into
a zoom and dive cycle.
Totally unrealistic, definately a bug.
AND heavily exploited by dogmatic Boom and Zoom
squads such as the &lt;AFJ&gt;.

B&Z is an effective tactic.
Bugs are exploited by loosers.

da...

BpGemini
02-23-2004, 09:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
First off, all of you spouting hate messages with "homo" and "gay" and all that crap, just stop it. It's irrelevant to this discussion and highly offensive. Not to mention immature.
========================

As to the REAL topic, I once again point out that those who "choose" WW view almost always do it out of a sense of personal convenience. The post above that says it best:

BPGemini wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>arcade = awsome for DF'ing<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As if the pilots had a "choice" to go with or without their cockpits. As if one suddenly can't dogfight with the cockpit on. A pure GAMER argument. (Which is a valid one for some people, but don't expect sim-fans not to look down on it for what it is).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



You quoted me for something I didn't say.

My opinion is:
Arcade = LAME for DFing


Play how you want but I like the "harder" settings. Other people like the easier settings that's fine for them but it's not my cup of vodka.

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02-23-2004, 10:05 PM
I dont mind the open pit but I HATE those arrows..... If there were some way to turn off the arrows in an open pit and keep the ID icons......

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
Stigler is G A Y<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Badsight....... O why waste my time.

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:

You can get where your going faster by going into a zoom and dive cycle.
Totally unrealistic, definately a bug.
AND heavily exploited by dogmatic Boom and Zoom
squads such as the &lt;AFJ&gt;.

B&Z is an effective tactic.
Bugs are exploited by loosers.

da...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here we go again the big bad exploiters of the sim... AFJ has reared there ugly head.

LMAO.... yer killing me here simply killing me.

Is there none who can just die like a man & say ok that guy is good.... maybe I should watch him & LEARN SOMETHING

Hell no its alwayes some bull*hit big mouth punk, who cant stand getting him's lil plane shot down, get over it boy.

Tell it to Oleg !!!

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 11:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I dont mind the open pit but I HATE those arrows..... If there were some way to turn off the arrows in an open pit and keep the ID icons......

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Id love to be able to disable thoes arrows...

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AFJ_Locust
02-23-2004, 11:14 PM
next youll be telling me that bombing in closed pit servers is an exploit cuz you can sneek around and bomb without being seen heh Daballz ?

LMAO sell it somewhere else pall

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bashii
02-24-2004, 12:57 AM
I think some folks are missing one fo the primary uses of no-cockpit view (sorry, can't bring myself to say WonderWomanView, it just sounds silly to me), namely, as a learning aid. As a newcomer, I use and appreciate the added information presented on servers which enable no-cockpit view while I acquire the skills to compete successfully in all modes. Personally, I think it's brilliant that Maddox Games incorporated features designed to ease newcomers into the game, as well as present players of all skill levels with choices where then can increase the game's challenge and sense of immersion incrementally at their own pace or preference. Trying to shame people out of those options is disingenuous and, for me at least, has no effect whatsoever except to identify the more narrow-minded members of this community who apparently believe their fun is more important than mine.

WUAF_Badsight
02-24-2004, 01:04 AM
as newcomers & learners the AFJ squad also use Wonder N00bie Woman views

they are N00bie settings champs dont you know

T_O_A_D
02-24-2004, 01:16 AM
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Rajvosa
02-24-2004, 01:26 AM
Badsight

you ARE really blind. And narrowminded as hell. And insulting... the list is long. And for what? Beacause some people choose to fly with cockpit off?

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WUAF_Badsight
02-24-2004, 01:28 AM
ooooh S T F U

as if this thread is serious

mr touchy

WUAF_Badsight
02-24-2004, 01:29 AM
& if i was really blind , dont you think i would be advocating the Wonder N00bie Woman N00bie Vision veiw ??

dummie

Rajvosa
02-24-2004, 01:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
& if i was really blind , dont you think i would be advocating the Wonder N00bie Woman N00bie Vision veiw ??

dummie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No. Since you already have bad eyesight, to you it doesn't really matter. You might as well fly with cockpit on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Of course I realize this is a non-serious thread. I just thought I'd poore some gasoline on the flames. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And it works!

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pinche_bolillo
02-24-2004, 05:27 AM
hum full real. lets see..........I cannot id an aircraft beyond 300 meters. yes that is .3 on the icon. yet I can id aircraft in real life at distances much greater than 300 meters. the day they come out with some type of decent 3d, 360 degree view that looks realistic, I will fly cockpit only. in real life everybody took off at the same time and flew out to the target together. this doesnt happen in fb. in real life planes could be spotted 20 miles away. I couldnt imagine seeing an a/c even 5 miles away in fb. heck im lucky to see a dot at 5km and thats only if we are up high and he is at the same altitude as me.

the term realisitic settings is a strange one. when I select it I look into my 17" 5+ year old monitor at the run way and 300 yards infront of me the easily identifiable terrain of the run way becomes a blur. if I cannot see things how am I to fly full real? plus flying around for ever not seeing any aircraft.........well that is boring.

when I feel the need to attack or talk bad about somebody it is time for me to take a look at why.

also all you people that fly full real, I will fly with you as soon as you get rid of track ir, use joysticks that have 8 buttons or less, no hotos control, get a PIII 1gig cpu w/512mb of pc 133 ram or less, and an old 17" ctr monitor. then the playing field will be level.

the words skill and honor are thrown about by people in this forum, I think maybe those two words should be replaced by "I have a big ego and low self esteme so I need to put you down to make me fell better about myself"

Bull-Dog.
02-24-2004, 05:51 AM
I first discovered the WWV when I first had IL2 but dropped using it when I realised how much more realistic flying in cockpit was.
When I realised that so many pilots use this veiw I started to use it also.I soon dicovered that both veiws have advantages and disadvantages, so now use both views switching quickly from one to another when nec.
What I have discovered is that when it comes to game setings, there is no right or wrong, no advantage or disadvantage. A good pilot should be able to adjust and use any server settings without disadvantage. After all, the views and control setings available to me are available to you, so the only disadvantage i have is my skill as a pilot. (which im working on)

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musickna
02-24-2004, 06:25 AM
Well said!

TugZooey
02-24-2004, 07:10 AM
I know most of this is in jest, but I agree with Bashii about no cockpit view being a great learning aid, and I thank Oleg for it. If there wasn't WWV I would've given up this game, being my first flight sim. I haven't flown with No Cockpit for a new challenge, it's been a few months now since, but to each their own.

TugZooey
02-24-2004, 07:13 AM
Oh yeah, I can't wait to rip into some fish! I'm jealous http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

BaldieJr
02-24-2004, 07:16 AM
You know, if I didn't handle my own #### several times a day, I'd almost start to doubt its amazing girth because of this thread.

Who wants to see it?

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Diablo310th
02-24-2004, 07:18 AM
faustnik I think I have to agree. I never fly in Wonder woman view but have always wondered how so many shoot me down other than I'm a crappy pilot. I have always suspected this the reason. I prefer to fly in cockpit tho.

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SUPERAEREO
02-24-2004, 08:20 AM
Oh, the dangers of Wonder Woman view are VERY real, and I am SURE it makes people gay, but I enjoy it..!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

How can something feel so good yet be so WRONG?

I think I will stop flying no cockpit as soon as I find myself buying Barbara Streisand CD's and stealing my girlfriend's clothes!!!

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DuxCorvan
02-24-2004, 08:22 AM
I use WWV sometimes when offline. Just to make it more fair: you see, AI uses WWV. I mean that those 'matrix' beings always know where you are, even if you are in their blind spot, into a cloud or come from the sun. It's imposible to bounce or remain unnoticed for AI, because 'matrix' (game engine) is constantly telling them where you are and what you are doing.

Online is another matter. When fighting against humans, the only important thing is that you have the same chances, so you should use the same settings.

I personally prefer cockpit on, because of the immersion and challenge. But it is also far from reality. A 20x20cm 2D-no-depth square, trying to track a greyish pixel with a mouse has nothing to do with real life head-and-eyes-moving peripheral, natural resolution and colour deep human vision. But it's OK as long as your rivals have the same limits.

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faustnik
02-24-2004, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Diablo310th:
faustnik I think I have to agree. I never fly in Wonder woman view but have always wondered how so many shoot me down other than I'm a crappy pilot. I have always suspected this the reason. I prefer to fly in cockpit tho.
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Diablo,

Part of the reason I brought this up was my conversations with Copperhead about the 190. I could not figure out how he label the 190 a "n00b plane" if he had ever flown it. I gave him a real hard time about it but, later thought about the settings element. I know the 310th flies with the 380th Bomber Group who require a no-cockpit setting to fly bombers. So, if Copperhead has only flown the 190 without the serious view limitation of the 190 cockpit, he probably would get a very different opinion of the a/c than I have. (He still deserved the ribbing he got http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

Gibbage's seemingly insane post "B&Z Takes no Skill" got me thinking more about the problems of fishbowl flying.


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NorrisMcWhirter
02-24-2004, 10:03 AM
Hi,

Someone said that "cockpit on affects all people".

No, it doesn't.

It affects those with limited views the most, who have to spend most of their time flying upside down, rolling from side to side, to determine a target before losing them again as opposed to the 60G turn brigade who have a windowful of 190 within a microsecond of applying 1g of stick.

Cheers,
Norris


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NorrisMcWhirter
02-24-2004, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

Someone said that "cockpit on affects all people".

No, it doesn't.

It affects those with limited views the most, who have to spend most of their time flying upside down, rolling from side to side, to determine a target before losing them again as opposed to the 60G turn brigade who have a windowful of 190 within a microsecond of applying 1g of stick.

Also, I have made an ORR feature request as to having an option of arrows on in cockpit view to make the transition from WW to FR a little more palatable. There is more chance of me starting up a fertiliser business selling sacks of rocking horse manure but I feel it would be a happy compromise.

Cheers,
Norris


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Spinnetti
02-24-2004, 10:26 AM
I pretty much fly only the FW190 A-5 and full difficulty except minimal icons (my old eys can't pick out the planes at all otherwise).. I've never even seen WW view.

I don't think the FW view is that bad. It is a hard plane to learn, and each time they muck with the flight model I have to learn it all over which sucks, but I like it just how it is. If you are serious about it, it doesn't take that long to learn deflection shooting... I usually will fire a burst, then bob the nose down to see if/where it hits... No problems.. Don't see what all the fuss is about. Nobody ever called it a noob plane before lately. Didn't care what folks thought then or now - it's still my favorite!

Magister__Ludi
02-24-2004, 10:54 AM
I concur. WWV gives completely unrealistic gunnery abilities. You can put a lead that normally it's impossible, because the target would be below your nose.

Highly unrealistic and unrecommended. Keep your kids away from this.