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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:03 PM
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BOB by Aeroplane heaven for cfs3 even the negative G effect on carbed AC is modeled well, another thing don't know if anyone here has played it but the AC in this addon have the most realistic engine sounds ive ever heard in a game the merlin sounds are excelent....

If oleg can do this with the quality he has said it would be I can't wait.....



Message Edited on 10/14/0310:23PM by johno__UK

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10-11-2003, 01:03 PM
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BOB by Aeroplane heaven for cfs3 even the negative G effect on carbed AC is modeled well, another thing don't know if anyone here has played it but the AC in this addon have the most realistic engine sounds ive ever heard in a game the merlin sounds are excelent....

If oleg can do this with the quality he has said it would be I can't wait.....



Message Edited on 10/14/0310:23PM by johno__UK

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:41 PM
Holy crap, that looks awesome. I might have to re-buy CFS3. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:58 PM
I'm selling mine got for xmas instaled it played it two times got angry uninstaled it put it in the box still stand's on my shelf unused since/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:14 PM
heres some more

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:18 PM
Nice shots. Too bad the game play does not pan out for most users. Online suffers from a WIDE variety of cheats and that is a shame. Oh well, so happy we have FB or we would be a hostage to M$. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



Message Edited on 10/11/0307:19AM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:27 PM
I know what you mean it does take a fairly hefty system to make it look and play good so is out of the question for alot of people, as for the online play i only play it off line but online i play FB...



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:32 PM
Do you find it immersive enough in offline play? Seemed kind of sterile at times.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:55 PM
The new BOB addon is definately immersive enough but the standard camaigns and single misions are a bit sterile i agree, the thing thats made it worth playing is the fact that people are continualy improving the game from FM's to scenery and weapons modeling, out of the box it realy is bland but with enough effort it can be made very good.

Another thing i like is the 3rd party AC out there, their are some excelent ones out their like the BF110 from Groundcrew or AC from AVhistory.org especialy ones with very detailed VC's which to me is important as i only fly with cockpit on in cfs3, theirs also some great payware AC like the meteor from alpha sim.

Also i like the way u can integrate any AC u like into campaign or single misions which can make things a bit more interesting...

Think most peoples view of cfs3 is because out of the box it sux so it puts alot of people straight off it but things like this:

http://www.shockwaveproductions.net/firepower/

will improve it even more over time it has endless potential....



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:14 PM
The thing that always puts me off CFS3 is the overdone wideangle views of the screenshots -they seem to verge on fish-eye lens look. Is this normal or can a better "lens" be used?

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:19 PM
It looks good but the question is, does it play good?

I think I'll wait till January to get the paid FB addon.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:44 PM
What an incredible on-board radar. Awesome!

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:56 PM
Hello,

these planes look good, but the cockpit instruments aren't historical correct. For example, look at the He 111 Cockpit (mainly the panels). The instruments aren't historical correct and the left panel has no proppitch indicator. Also, some instruments seem to be American ones (e.g. the altimeter in the Ju 87).
Are the cockpits in a beta stage and the instruments will get replaced or is this the final thing? If so, why didn't they put historic correct instruments in the planes (it's very important for me because I never fly with cockpit off)?

Pilot99



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:58 PM
Oleg may have to do little different way from CFS to aviod sue by Bill Gate's corp of lawyers

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:10 PM
WereSnowleopard wrote:
- Oleg may have to do little different way from CFS to
- aviod sue by Bill Gate's corp of lawyers
-
- Regards
- SnowLeopard

I don't think they can sue him for making a historically correct cockpit, even if it looks alot like the ones in CFS3.

Have they gotten the FM's under control in the addon as well??

rgds

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:15 PM
I hope you don't mind - a short comparison /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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That's obviously CFS3 ...

http://home.arcor.de/csthor/bilder/bob_teaser.jpg

And that is FB ...
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:17 PM
Sure it looks good.

But so does a dog loaf covered in tomato sauce and melted cheese.

Inside, CFS3 and the loaf are quite the same.

I bought it, I (tried) to play it, I gave it away.



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 08:20 PM
I gotta admit, I`m not convinced. I was `taken out` by CFS3 graphics before and was sorely dissappointed by its end.

It`s no good if you can`t play it half the time and it`s bugged like crazy! Sorry. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 09:33 PM
Let me just say i didn't put these screenshots on here to try to say cfs3 is better than FB in any way only to show that the BOB addon in the shots has greatly improved cfs3 another step in the right direction.
Its a matter of opinion realy i don't have any trouble whatsoever running cfs3 although it has to be in 1024x768 16bit as in the screenshots with no FSAA unlike in the FB shot of the 109 as i only have a geforce 2gts pro at the moment.
Infact i play FB more but i do think by having both u can have the best of both worlds.

Their are some very good modelers out their like gib who are making some realy nice stuff for cfs3, all the AC i use are all third party i never fly the stock AC cos they are crap.
Heres a nice 109e cocpit in the works by Gerard:

http://www.airexotica.com/screens/pit1c.jpg

got the link from here:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID27/3839.html

Well my main point for this post in the first place was that with oleg doing BOB alot of people are saying its been done to death etc etc, but as this addon proved for me quality over quantity is the most important thing olegs new sim will rock be sure....
And in the meantime we have FB and the new addon to keep us busy till then...../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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Message Edited on 10/11/0308:40PM by johno__UK

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:46 AM
That cockpit allready looks good. I hope he can get the instrument faces right (with the right lighting/shading) and that he gets the overal feel correct. I still doubt if CFS3 will ever gain the level of detail (especially in cocpits) that FB has.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:55 AM
How about feeling FM and DM in BoB addon? Its good or arcadish style like FB 1.11 now?

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 12:58 AM
bob has not been made yet. no one knows what the fm or dms will be like....its not coming out till 2005 ....its still 2003 now.....

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:02 AM
Read carefaully. It's CFS3 BoB Addon not by Oleg Maddox

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:16 AM
Screenshots look great, but I got burned by this game before, not to mention my computer cannot run the game at anywhere near the same quality as FB. Maybe CFS4, always willing to give that a try.

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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:32 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 08:42 AM
Didnt notice white cliffs on those pics either.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Hope olegs team remember the cliffs.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:06 PM
Kwiatos wrote:
- How about feeling FM and DM in BoB addon? Its good
- or arcadish style like FB 1.11 now?


The FM and DM is more like the 1% planes from AV history than stock cfs3 they are very good they are full of character which is well known for each individual AC, they certainly are nothing arcadish, the AE team must have worked very hard on these AC.

ob swe i hope they remember the cliffs too....






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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 01:14 PM
Same here; no more of that M$-Sh*% pls.....
Just a waste of money if you`re looking for realism!

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 04:43 PM
Screen shots, how tempting, but I've been to CFS3 three times and I'm never going to let myself in for that disappointment again.

As soon Oleg said he was doing BoB some people said that it did'nt really need doing as Rowan already did it, I scoffed at them as I'd past experience with that sim.

Now I'm going to apologise to the BDG and say that I've reinstalled Rowans BoB with BDG mods and it is IMHO far better than CFS3 and I think anyone who wants a BoB offline experience to go with IL2 FB need look no further. Their demo does not do the actual game justice.

So the cockpits and aircraft models are'nt up to IL2 standards but the overall atmosphere and immersion, radio chatter and skies crammed with planes makes even IL2 seem a little dull sometimes, whoops did I really say that?

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:44 PM
csThor wrote
"That's obviously CFS3"

http://www.avhistory.org/Bear257Images/3-109e.jpg

This one is also obviously CFS3, you can tell by the reflections on the wings & the clouds.

Zeke

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 05:54 PM
screenshots can't replace the aweful view system, the horrible ground textures, the 3 people who play online, the hundreds of different configurations....the choppy play, the bad padlock.

The list can go on and on and on.

Don't be fooled by pictures.




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XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 07:54 PM
I'm happy cfs3 was such a giant flop. Now it sells for less than IL2 FB does at most stores in my area.

It belongs in the bargain bin. The price they were asking for it at release is criminal.

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:29 PM
Recon,

The objective is to Build a complete sim and try not to put down so much; they are just sharing enhancements that are making the game better. As for detail in the planes cockpit the CFS 3 engine is incredable at handeling detailed models except they just did not care to put in the detail. There loss LOL some planes that are coming out now are engaging in highly detailed cockpits and they are getting better.

I fly both sims and people keep mentioning that there is Cheating in CFS 3 and that I say again this is not possible. CFS 2 was infested with hacks but some of us chose who we flew with. The CFS3 FM is tighter then a drum If the files do not match your plane in anyway they can not enter your game.

Not to mention anymore about the CFS products some of the effects and things that CFS 3 has is fantastic and its getting better by outside help.

To FB and that is why we are on here; they have an opportunity to not make a huge blunder with the BoB. The opportunity for expantion into theaters and sell the WWII era could take them into the nxt 20 yrs.

I for one would like a product that incorporates all of the best things a sim has to offer:

1. CFS 2- carrier landings and sea opperations.

2. FS 2k4- Virtual Cockpits with controls that work with the mouse.

3. FB- Detailed cockpits and tough accurate FMs.

4. OVERALL THEATER EXPANSION POSSIBLITIES:Britain, MED, PACIFIC, EASTERN FRONT, CHIANA and Australia theaters.

The theater list could go on and I would pay the money for each expantion just make the game capable fo every aspect of the war.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-12-2003, 09:49 PM
warriorbear wrote:
- 4. OVERALL THEATER EXPANSION POSSIBLITIES:Britain,
- MED, PACIFIC, EASTERN FRONT, CHIANA and Australia
- theaters.
-
- The theater list could go on and I would pay the
- money for each expantion just make the game capable
- fo every aspect of the war.
-
- Warriorbear
-

This would be great. The only draw back I see to this the (M$) approach for multi paywares is it becomes more of a money grab than a labor of love that IL2 has been to Oleg and team. Once it turns into that, its over. Oh no are we already there? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif





Message Edited on 10/12/0301:52PM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 12:01 AM
Black you missed the point just look at the planes coming in to advance FB.

They are not all 1c planes.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:18 AM
warriorbear wrote:
- Black you missed the point just look at the planes
- coming in to advance FB.
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- They are not all 1c planes.
-
- Warriorbear
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-

Well in a way they are because Oleg's team does the FM and DM. The 3rd party guys are making the models, but Oleg keeps control of how it flys. However, I do understand your point. My point is that I see the possibility of a money grab on the horizon.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:50 AM
Well Oleg is in the market to make money, so he sees his product making money for the next 2 years as we look forward to the BoB then why not do it.

Hey if he can keep making money on the adaptation of this game with his approval then what business man would say NO.

I would buy the addons maps or planes for 2 years for sure I like the game.

Please dont get me wrong ever I also just started posting. I have been hesitant because everyone on here is quick to JUDGE people and put people down.

I for one enjoy the flight sims as much as I can CFS 2,3 or IL2FB with a baby on the way and work building up. I'm not in college anymore with all the time in the world LOL with young lassies commin in every semester and the beer flowin from the tap.

Olegs FM/DM are good no question, but some planes have there short comings which a lot of knowledgable people have pointed out. I have also worked on FMs before and it is hard getting them just rt. My thing on that is get them as accurate to history as possible.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:56 AM
I don't know why you address me in your post.

however, I have played CFS3, I was not impressed, all I warned was: do not be fooled by screenshots.

That is simple - screenshot are a sweet taste at times, but substance can determine where it is sour to the stomach.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:42 AM
Well sry to say IMHO the taste was the toughest(Kinda like an over done steak) to get down the pipe but the stomach has digested the mess and it works great nowLOL.

Warriorbear

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:47 AM
You reinstalled Rowan's BOB? I tried the demo a couple of years back and the system I had reduced it to a slide show. What you running it with and what are your frame rates like?

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 02:58 AM
Funny thing is, I've always HATED CFS3's screenies. Even the one's that are "showcased" like this bunch here. They look downright horrible to me, don't know why.

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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 04:03 AM
I think its a matter of taste is all I can set either game on high and the FPS dogs hard. I perfer many things from both games and I need a new G-card.

Thats why I have always said If they took aspects from CFS 2, 3 and IL2 and FB they could corner the market everyone would move to form one huge coomunity of Virtual flyers would that not be cool.

If you fly the CFS 3 stock game it sucks no dout. That is a given won't argue that point at all. However, The new planes from avhistory and the addons and effects that FOX designed that have enhanced the game beyond belief and I can enjoy it now.

I think if I needed help with FB this community would rise to help me make my game work better. The only way that CFS 3 is even alive today is because many of us have helped eachother to enjoy the game more.

The one thing that I have noticed about this community is that everyone here thinks they are so high and mighty and put down everyone with a post about what they could do better. I thought I was the consumer here. At least you hear word from your game builder about updates and that keeps the community strong. CFS 3 they never update there insider site and that is frustrating to me, but I talk each evening with the fellas I fly with on CFS 3 and IL2FB. Only way I found out about Nview.


We like both games and enjoy the friendship we have. I would have never met the fellas or talked(Ventrilo) to them in my life if it was not for flight sims.

Warriorbear
19 yr Virtual Flyer and still flying.

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:02 AM
Il2 has made abetter job of the RLM colours...that yellow on that109 would make me sick and unable to play the game anyway...

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 01:33 PM
The artwork for the CFS3 addon is awesome and the screenies are nice, but this game and its source code cannot be salvaged, even with great "eye candy" , new FMs, or even a complete BoB Campaign.

I turned mine into EB for placement in the bargain bin, long ago, and there it stays.

All the best, Don

XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 03:06 PM
Kwiatos wrote:
- How about feeling FM and DM in BoB addon? Its good
- or arcadish style like FB 1.11 now?
-
You should play CFS3.



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XyZspineZyX
10-13-2003, 11:08 PM
Stairway to Heavan anyone?

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 12:34 AM
reisen52 wrote:
- csThor wrote
- "That's obviously CFS3"
-
- This one is also obviously CFS3, you can tell by the
- reflections on the wings & the clouds.
-
- Zeke
-

Though it is A DIFFERENT ONE than that BOB AH add on and it is the E-1model mthis isn't by AH and is offered as well for free in avhistory.

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 07:01 PM
At now Im very dissapointment with FM/DM in FB 1.11. I read that FM/DM in CFS3 is worse than FB. But who knows how it is in BOB addon for CFS3. These addon isn't made by these some people who made a cfs3