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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:08 PM
It's sad to see that this hasnt been corrected from 1.0 to 1.1b

Right now both planes have around 120 rounds of 20mm while in real life they carried 200. About 40% of the 20mm ammo is missing!!

I hope this gets addressed in the next patch because you can do a lot with 80 (extra) rounds in the F and G models!!

Also please note that this was modelled correctly in the original IL2 game.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenGeschwader/9JG52-1.JPG

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:08 PM
It's sad to see that this hasnt been corrected from 1.0 to 1.1b

Right now both planes have around 120 rounds of 20mm while in real life they carried 200. About 40% of the 20mm ammo is missing!!

I hope this gets addressed in the next patch because you can do a lot with 80 (extra) rounds in the F and G models!!

Also please note that this was modelled correctly in the original IL2 game.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenGeschwader/9JG52-1.JPG

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 02:37 PM
True True.

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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:10 PM
Someone told me that loadouts will be fixed in a seperate patch/update. So does Oleg consider the correct ammo load as "loadout"?? Can somebody confirm this?

That would be ridiculous for it can't be more than a 1min job... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenGeschwader/9JG52-1.JPG

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:25 PM
Oleg him self said long long time ago and appologised for That BiG mistake.

and said it will get changed soon as it possible.
i m disapointed too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 03:37 PM
Bump!

I am starting to beliefe the conspiracy theory's against LW a/c!
Altough i hear good news: VVS pilots complaining about their Uberbirds having more realistic FM so less Uber with the new patch,
The FW family has become a real threat, like it should be!
But I also hear that the K-4 has become a lesser hope for the LW.
Sadly i can't judge it my self since the patch i cant fly FB any longer then a few minutes before the Pc auto Reboots! and my Cougar throttle doesn't work like it did in FB's orignal version.

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 05:11 PM
THe loadouts for all aircraft could not be changed in time before patch release. But it will, be sure of that.

Butch

XyZspineZyX
08-15-2003, 05:20 PM
butch2k wrote:
- THe loadouts for all aircraft could not be changed
- in time before patch release. But it will, be sure
- of that.
-
- Butch
-

Particularly looking forward to corrected bomb loadouts on the Ju 87, Fw 190F-8, He 111.............ie. 1000Kgs, 1800Kgs, Panzerschreck 1 & 2 (PD 8.8) as well as Panzerblitz 1 for the Fw 190F-8.

Thanks Butch!

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XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 07:06 AM
butch2k wrote:
- THe loadouts for all aircraft could not be changed
- in time before patch release. But it will, be sure
- of that.
-
- Butch
-

Not being argumentative but which "correct" load out, 150rds or 200rds?



Message Edited on 08/16/0307:07PM by Bastables

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:25 AM
200 rounds 20mm

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/AbzeichenGeschwader/9JG52-1.JPG

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:26 AM
200 is indeed the correct value.

Butch

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 10:28 AM
- But I also hear that the K-4 has become a lesser
- hope for the LW.
- Sadly i can't judge it my self since the patch i
- cant fly FB any longer then a few minutes before the
- Pc auto Reboots! and my Cougar throttle doesn't work
- like it did in FB's orignal version.


This is not really the case. The K-4 is still an EXCELLENT Plane, and anyone who thinks differently, is simply wrong... The "problem" that some of 1.0 K-4 jocks are having, is that it's now correct, and realistic. The fact that you can't RIP your plane into a tailstand, and expect to lose no E doing so, is rediculous... you have to gradually pull into Tailstands now if you want any chance of retaining your E over the enemy... Aside from that, the FM is precisely what it should be, and the MK 108 is IMO the most deadly fighter combat weapon in IL-2 FB: 1.1b.

as a side note, i got a 6 kill sortie before loging on this morning, in the GreaterGreen server... and not against n00by pilots... it's just sad to me that because some people lack the finess to treat the K-4 right, it gets flamed as being a bad plane (and yes, before i realised what was different, i was one of them..... forshame... :*(.

XyZspineZyX
08-16-2003, 11:19 AM
butch2k wrote:
- THe loadouts for all aircraft could not be changed
- in time before patch release. But it will, be sure
- of that.
-
- Butch

Are you aso talking about bigger german bombs? An Loudouts like 8xsc50 for fw190F-8 and other loudouts?

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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:42 PM
Yes i also send correction to bomb loadouts for both fighters and bombers.

Butch

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:50 PM
problem is only al-7 with inital climb 30m/sec

and k4 has right inialclimb 24m/sec

k4 could only la-7 outclimb,but not now

la-7 is the best climber to 3000m

real climb she not better as la-5fn

and her climb is correct

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 09:54 PM
agreed

also the f4 currently dives at 1200 without breaking up, im sure its been submitted


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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 10:39 AM
Flydutch wrote:
- Bump!
-
- I am starting to beliefe the conspiracy theory's
- against LW a/c!


I don't think so. Just bugs and errors, I think.
For example the Fw190 current rolls too fast at
high speed, so it can cut both ways. Perhaps another
iteration or two of patching, and things will be
pretty much there?

- Altough i hear good news: VVS pilots complaining
- about their Uberbirds having more realistic FM so
- less Uber with the new patch

This is good too. I fly VVS, but I'd like to have
the historical performance to cope with, although I
haven't had chance to fly online with the patch yet.

XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:29 PM
In patch 1.1b, the 109G2 has 150 rounds in the centerline MG151/20 cannon. IMHO, this is correct.

The 109G2 manual states that the cannon would have 200 rounds, but this was not possible. The Finnish Air Force loaded their G2s with 135-140 rounds, to prevent gun jams due to overloaded ammo boxes. I believe 150 was the practical maximum ammo load.

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XyZspineZyX
08-18-2003, 12:45 PM
Nope i have several reports from both German AF and Allied AF stating that the number of ammo carried was 200, this coming from either combat reports or intelligence reports following a crash.
Late in the War the ammo loads were reduced for some time because of supply problem following destruction of several chemical plants but i also have reports from that time showing some aircraft with full ammo load.

Butch