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Eat_My_Shortz
04-09-2004, 10:06 PM

Eat_My_Shortz
04-09-2004, 10:06 PM

Timeposter
04-10-2004, 06:33 AM
I was waiting to upgrade my computer for this new game and get the DVD rom then. This old compy barely plays URU, so time get something newer (don't tell Kha'tie shhhhhh) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Eat_My_Shortz
04-10-2004, 07:23 AM
What new game? Myst Rev or something else? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

AFGNCAAP
04-10-2004, 10:03 AM
I wonder if running the game on a DVD writer will present a problem with the copy protection?

Eat_My_Shortz
04-10-2004, 08:48 PM
I dont think so. I run CD games with my DVD+RW all the time.

CAGrayWolf
04-10-2004, 11:23 PM
I've had a DVD drive for a few of years now ... bought it play Riven DVD and sought out any game with a DVD version available ... I wish there were more out there ... they are certainly far better and far easier to deal with ... not to mention no disk swapping. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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MagooChris
04-12-2004, 05:29 AM
I have a DVD rom but it's in the other computer. If this game will be DVD only, I'm swapping the drives! lol. I wounder if they'll go to the Xbox again??

Farlesis
04-12-2004, 06:02 AM
Yes I have a DVD player on my computer and the last two computers I bought before this one came with DVD drives. I always use my DVD drive to play any pc game, whether it's DVD or not.

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Phen1
04-13-2004, 12:17 AM
Argh! I feel like the only person in the world without a DVD drive!!! This sucks!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

~~PHEN~~

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Alahmnat
04-13-2004, 12:37 AM
No, there's a guy on The Lyst who doesn't have one, and is diametrically opposed to buying one...

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Rocky1138
04-13-2004, 12:49 AM
I, for one, welcome the move even though I don't own one. Yet.

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Phen1
04-13-2004, 01:11 AM
Yes, I cannot complain, because this gives me a "good" reason to buy one! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~~PHEN~~

Pre-rendering ROCKS!!!

DawnaDune88
04-13-2004, 09:31 AM
Oh No..! Does this leave me out in the cold for "The Revolution"..?

Does anyone know if it will be available in CD version as well.

I'm not sure how much a computer dvd drive is in American $...but...I'm sure it will be almost twice as much in Canadian $.

I guess I'm going to have to start budgeting for a dvd-drive sooner than I was prepared for.

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Rocky1138
04-13-2004, 01:01 PM
I live in Canada.

You can buy them at a local computer shop for $50.

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Mystical Explorer
04-13-2004, 04:10 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

NOT AGAIN!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

YOU MEAN I HAVE TO GET A DVD DRIVE TO PLAY REVELATION?!?

I had enough trouble getting a graphics card to play Uru!!!

DVD ROM drives are about $500 here in NZ!!!!!!!!!

*tries to calm down a bit*

I reckon they're not gonna get as many revalation copies sold as the other games, simply because not everyone is lucky enough to have a DVD drive. Thats probably why Uru Live failed, only a handful of people had broadband!!

Deprived again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

C'mon ubi, make a CD version too. Please??? I don't mind extra disks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Rocky1138
04-13-2004, 07:32 PM
Why are they 500 dollars?

You should buy one off of eBay and just have it shipped. I bet it wouldn't cost hardly anything.

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Mystical Explorer
04-13-2004, 08:18 PM
New Zealand

(I'm talking New Zealand Dollars here)

It may be less, but i am Still REALLY angry that it's ONLY gonna be available on DVD. Can't they bring out a CD version as well? Is that so hard? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

It seems something is trying to stop me playing my favourite Myst games http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Mystical Explorer
04-13-2004, 08:24 PM
Funny... could have sworn it was closer to $500NZ at one shop... It's actually closer to $150NZ ($about $70 US) but thats still quite alothttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

come to think of it, that's about the same price as my graphics card...

-Nikolai-
04-13-2004, 09:05 PM
Releasing it only on DVD isn't something that really makes me happy--seeing as I don't have a computer with a DVD drive. CD-RW, yes, DVD, well, no. I suppose I will have to buy something after all. Ah, well. It's really not all that inconvenient, I guess.

Phen1
04-13-2004, 10:14 PM
Someone needs to tip these people off that not everyone who plays Myst has the latest in technology. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

~~PHEN~~

Pre-rendering ROCKS!!!

DawnaDune88
04-14-2004, 07:34 AM
Rocky...

Where in Canada do you live..? I'm sure it would cost me mega-$ (Cdn) to purchase a DVD drive and have it installed.

Besides which...with my physical disabilities...it's not always easy to unplug everything from the puter...carry it down to my vehicle...etc...etc...and then carry it back up and rehook everything up.

Phen...

I agree with you. Until a certain medium becomes almost extinct (floppy disk)...the company should provide a medium that will satisfy both CD and DVD.

So..is it official? It is only a DVD version..? Could someone please confirm for sure...before I arrange for pre-ordering..?

Thanx bunches.

Eat_My_Shortz
04-14-2004, 07:40 AM
They probably didn't have much of a choice. I suppose we can assume its prerendered, thats the only reason a game would want to be on DVD.
Well back in 1997 they already had a problem with Riven being on 5 CDs. Exile was on 4, so they must have figured out something.

But I think the advent of DVD technology will make it possible for them to render higher resolutions (remember, Exile, even in 2001, was STILL at 640x480 - we deserve better!). And they'll be able to do a lot more animation rather than having static things.
Who knows, the game might end up having to be on 3 DVDs - it simply wouldnt be possible then to create a CD version (thats like 21 CDs, you multiply by 7).

Hence, the game will be much better.
As you can see by this poll, most people have DVD drives.

And finally, let me remind you of one more thing. In 1993 not many people had CD drives. So why didn't they release Myst on Floppy Disks? (laff) - because it would have been junky.
Instead of letting technology control them, Cyan controlled the technology - Myst was responsible for the CD-ROM revolution.
Maybe Revelation in the same way will kick off the DVD revolution. As always, I have faith.

DawnaDune88
04-14-2004, 08:09 AM
Eat_

You make a very good case for the ownership of a DVD drive.

However, is does not make it any easier budget-wise...and...installation wise (at least for me). I'll have to do some calling around and see what the costs are...and start saving...saving...saving.

Gonna have to stay out of the Bingo Halls..! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rocky1138
04-14-2004, 01:17 PM
I live in Welland, Ontario. It's right near Niagara Falls.

I work at Staples and we have DVD-ROM drives for $79. I'm wondering: are you thinking of a DVD burner? Those are about 200 dollars. You might be able to get one of those for 150. A burner (DVD-RAM, DVD-R, DVD+R) will let you make DVDs where as a DVD reader (DVD-ROM) will only let you play DVDs.

You only need a DVD-ROM to play Myst IV.

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Mystical Explorer
04-14-2004, 04:44 PM
I'm looking at about 200 New Zealand Dollars for a DVD drive and installation. Then there's getting it to the shop all the problems I might have (I have an HP Pavilion, would that be ok with a DVD ROM drive?). PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAAASE bring it out on CD as well, I don't care how many disks there are, I can do a full install ,like with exiole and I won't have to disk swap. Anyway, uru was a huge program, so how did they fit that onto ONE CD????? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Phen1
04-15-2004, 12:49 AM
Hey, good question!!!

~~PHEN~~

Pre-rendering ROCKS!!!

Alahmnat
04-15-2004, 01:51 AM
Uru wasn't pre-rendered.

Riven was approximately 4,000 still images at 640x480 resolution (actually slightly smaller, but close enough). Add in over 3 hours of Quicktime animation and 1+ hours of music and sound, and you have a VERY massive game. Even Exile, which probably contains *more* images than Riven did (if only because each node is made up of 6 seperate images) spanned 4 discs. Still images and video simply take up a TON of space. Ain't no compression scheme in the world what's gonna fix that problem.

Uru is a realtime game. Realtime games are inherently smaller in byte count because all youre giving the client is a stack of textures that rarely exceed 512x512 (though Uru probably makes more use of 1000+x1000+ textures), a folder full of audio that can be compressed from here to kingdom come with the new compression codecs like OGG Vorbis, and a bunch of what essentially amounts to scene files (in other words, mesh data, which is exceedingly small in byte count compared to the number of still images you'd have to create from the same mesh data to create an explorable Age). All of this stuff is then compressed even further, crammed onto a 650-MB CD-ROM, and shipped out. Uncompressed on your hard drive, Uru still takes up 2 gigabytes of space, but because the stuff Uru is built from is so much more easilly compressed, the CD's footprint is *vastly* smaller.

It's simply *not possible* to compress still images that much without them becoming completely unviewable.

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maztec
04-15-2004, 01:59 AM
http://www.pricewatch.com/1/212/3054-1.htm

Come September, if you haven't figured out the DVD Drive thing, let me know. I'm willing to help people out with installing their DVD Drives (it's fairly simple, if you can put together a book shelf, you can install a disk drive). Additionally, if you're outside the US, we may be able to figure out a way to get you a drive for about $30 USD. It may take a while to ship to you, but it will get there eventually.

But I strongly suspect you'll have it figured out before September http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DawnaDune88
04-15-2004, 10:02 AM
$30 US..!!!!!

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(Running to get my U.S. of EH! map...closing my eyes and throwing a dart..and the winner is...Georgia..!!)

(Phoning the passport office...they as me if I am related to Jean Chretien, ex-PM of Canada,...whew...I'm approved.)

While I am arriving at the border crossing at Niagara Falls, the border guard can hear me humming the Star Spangled Banner (hey..a girl's gotta do what a girl's gotta do). The border guard asks me if I'm Rosanne Barr/Arnold. I keep calm (don't wanna tick him off).

He's very suspicious of the computer I have stored in my bra (don't wanna pay any custom duty). I reassure him that the 'puter is strictly used for playing the adventure game series of MYST.

Thats it..!!! I have earned his total respect and he waves me through. (Jumps for joy and salutes the first US-EH flag I see.)

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GEE..!! Maybe it would be easier to pay the darn $80 CDN + 15% sales tax = $95 CDN + plus installation.

Sounds like fun, tho.

I think you guys have convinced me that I need to get me a DVD-ROM. (Tucking $10 CDN in an envelope for DVD budget.)

Can't wait until September, assuming the Canadian release date is the same as the U.S. of EH..!!

Eat_My_Shortz
04-17-2004, 08:58 PM
Oh I wish I could run over to USA. Theres just the problem of countless miles of water from Australia to there.

I JUST WANNA BUY THE MYST 10TH ANNIVERSARY DVD EDITION!!! GIMME GIMME!

Eat_My_Shortz
04-17-2004, 09:02 PM
"Still images and video simply take up a TON of space. Ain't no compression scheme in the world what's gonna fix that problem."

Actually there is - they're coming up with better compression all the time!
Raw video takes up thousands of times more space than well-compressed video. The new DivX format sacrifices a bit more quality than one would like, but has monstrous compression.
The old Bink video (which was used by Exile) is nearly as good, and virtually lossless.

So although the Exile videos were much much bigger and more common than the original Myst (I'd say - more than 4x bigger/longer in time total) - yet they still fit on just 4x the discs.

Just pointing that out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

salgene
05-23-2004, 01:39 AM
You can also check here

microcenter (http://www.microcenter.com/)

they not to bad, fairly good prices

Did I read correctly, you guys are having someone else install your DVD players? just install it yourself. its not that hard and you don't have to pay someone to do it.

WinXP, AMD Athlon XP 2400+ w/512 meg , Geforce 256 DDR 32megs AGP video.

Eat_My_Shortz
05-23-2004, 04:00 AM
I don't know. I don't want to knock anyone, but for inexperienced people, it can be quite risky opening up your computer to change things over.
People need to be aware of risks to their computer and themselves such as static.
(Quick tip: dont stand on carpet, walk barefoot and touch something metallic connected to the ground at all times with the same arm you're using to touch the computer with. - avoids current passing through your chest. Or get one of those anti-static wrist straps.)

Also, theres the warranty problem - opening up the PC may void the warranty. And finally, you'll need to know where to connect about 3 leads inside the computer.

So if you don't know what you're doing, I'd get someone to install it!

Oh btw I finally got Anniversary edition, yaay!

Look - somethings changed! If you edit a message it adds the edit text to the bottom.

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Eat_My_Shortz
05-23-2004, 04:21 AM
I think in regards to the DVD drive situation, there are 2 points
1. The poll shows that 89% of voters (with 92 votes counted) have DVD drives or will get one for Revelation, so there shouldn't be too much of a problem in the first place.
2. Its been going around recently that Revelation will take the equivalent of 9 CDs - all on 1 dual-layer DVD. So it would be quite ridiculous to publish the game on CD (I think 5 was enough for Riven).

Obviously this game is going to be like nothing we've ever seen before, and DVD is the thing which is making this possible. So you're just going to have to deal with it - those of use who have DVD players will enjoy a better game.
Those of you who don't - you're going to need one in the future, just like you all needed CD-ROM drives eventually, so you might as well get one now.

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Coronagold
05-23-2004, 07:10 AM
Me fix car! (car explodes)

If you don't know the insides of a PC, it's best to have someone at a store install a DVD drive for you.

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bkehle
05-23-2004, 02:08 PM
Must buy a DVD drive. My husband will be putting it in for me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Srikandi
05-23-2004, 04:18 PM
Hey, haven't you guys noticed? Maztec offered to install everybody's DVD drive for them! On the night before Revelation, he's going to slid down everybody's chimney and install a DVD drive. Really!

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Phen1
05-23-2004, 11:38 PM
*totally falls for it*
Really? THat's awesome! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
*gets mocked, scorned, and generally laughed at*

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~~PHEN~~

Pre-rendering ROCKS!!!

maztec
05-24-2004, 04:20 AM
How To Install a DVD Drive (feel free to pick your favorite set of instructions below, each set is seperated by a dashed line)

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Before opening the case, unplug the PC to avoid an electrical shock hazard. Exercise caution as there are sharp edges on a PC and its components. Always wear a static electricity discharge strap and attach the lead to the metal frame of the case, when working with your PC's components to avoid damaging your PC. Note that some manufacturers will void your PC's warranty if you open the case.

Always follow the manufacturer's instructions if they deviate from our guide. Failure to do so may complicate the installation.

1. Unplug the PC
2. Open the case
3. If you are replacing a CD-ROM, disconnect the controller cable, power connector and audio connection (if present). Remove the retaining screws and remove the drive.
4. Set the jumper to "Master" or "MA" if the drive will be the first or only drive on a controller. Set the jumper to "Slave" or "SL" if it will be the second drive on a controller.
5. Insert the new drive into the bay used for the old drive, or select a bay that has a suitable corresponding opening in the case front. Make sure it is right side up (the button should be under the drawer).
6. Secure the drive in place with the provided screws or rail inserts.
7. Connect the controller cable to the drive and the motherboard (the second IDE controller is preferable). Make sure that pin #1 of the cable corresponds to pin #1 on the drive and motherboard. If you have two connectors to choose from, use the one at the end.
8. Connect the power to the drive.
9. Connect the audio wire (if one is being used) to the drive and to the sound card or motherboard.
10. Close the case.
11. Plug in the PC.

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FROM PC WORLD ONLINE
Install a DVD-ROM Drive (http://www.anes.ucla.edu/~mis/tips/dvdinstall.htm)
by Stan Miastkowski

After years of predictions to the contrary, the DVD-ROM drive still hasn't replaced the CD-ROM drive. Nevertheless, the DVD-ROM drive is an increasingly common peripheral in new PCs.

DVD-ROMs deliver considerably higher-quality full-motion video than CD-ROMs do, propelling games to a new level of realism. They also allow content-rich entertainment and educational software to fit on fewer discs than they would on CD-ROMs. The Complete National Geographic, for example, comes either as a set of 30 CD-ROMs or 4 DVD-ROMs. And the popular game Riven comes on five CD-ROMs or a single DVD-ROM.

Add-in third-generation DVD-ROM kits, such as the Creative Labs PC-DVD Encore 6X Dxr3 shown here, give you the latest in DVD-ROM performance and let you read standard CD-ROMs. Those that include a PCI MPEG-2 decoder board (like the Encore kit) also allow you to watch DVD movies on your PC's monitor or on a television. Here's how to install a third-generation DVD-ROM kit that contains a drive using an IDE interface (the most common type of interface).

*snip*

http://www.anes.ucla.edu/~mis/tips/dvdimages/1709p270-3b.gif These days, a PC's motherboard has two IDE channels, a primary one and a secondary one, each with its own connector (A). A cable attaches the hard drive to the primary channel, and another cable likely connects the CD-ROM drive to the secondary channel. If each of these cables has a spare connector between the motherboard and the device, then each channel should support a second device. If possible, hook up your DVD-ROM drive to the same cable to which the CD-ROM drive is attached. If a second drive--such as a tape or Zip drive--already occupies that spot, connect the DVD-ROM drive to the same cable that the hard drive is plugged into. Hopefully, one of your IDE cables has a free connector. If not, use the cable that came with your DVD-ROM drive upgrade kit.

Make sure the jumpers on the back of the DVD-ROM drive are set to "slave" (B). If brackets are needed to mount the drive in your computer (say, if you're installing a 3.5-inch drive in a 5.25-inch bay), attach them now. Slide the DVD-ROM drive into your PC's mounting bay (C), and connect the IDE cable and the power cable to the rear of the DVD-ROM drive (D). Make sure the colored edge (usually red) of the IDE cable is attached to pin 1 on the DVD-ROM drive's connector (it's marked; look closely).

http://www.anes.ucla.edu/~mis/tips/dvdimages/1709p270-4b.gif Hook Up the Audio and Video Cables

Here's where you might start to feel like an electrician. You'll plug in lots of cables, and details vary by manufacturer. The hookups we show here apply specifically to the Creative Labs PC-DVD Encore 6X kit with the Dxr3 decoder. Be sure to read the manual that comes with your kit carefully, and work slowly and methodically.

a) Connect the audio cable from the rear of the DVD-ROM drive to the Audio 1 in connector of the MPEG card.

b) If you have an audio cable from the rear of your existing CD-ROM drive that is connected to the sound card, detach it from the sound card and attach it to the Audio 2 in connector of the MPEG card.

c) Connect an audio cable from the Audio out connector of the MPEG card to the sound card's Audio in connector.

d) Remove the monitor cable from your PC's graphics port and plug it in to the lower (external monitor) connector on the MPEG card.

e) Connect your DVD-ROM drive kit's video loopback cable from the MPEG card to the monitor connector on your PC's graphics port.

f) If you'll be watching DVD movies on a television, plug one of the video cables that came with the upgrade kit (either RCA or S-video connectors, depending on your TV's capabilities) from the MPEG card video output to the television's video in connector.

g) If you have a stereo receiver or PC speaker system that can decode Dolby Digital surround sound, use a cable (usually not included with the DVD-ROM kit) to connect the MPEG card and stereo.
http://www.anes.ucla.edu/~mis/tips/dvdimages/1709p270-5b.gif

A better version of this one is located here at pcworld (http://www.pcworld.com/howto/article/0,aid,41021,00.asp) (full of ads). It assumes you're also installing an mpeg decoder card, which might not be necessary.

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Or ask for directions.

As long as you use a little bit of common sense, you don't need to know the insides of a PC. If you can set up your television, vcr, and dvd player, you can set up your computer. Nobody is asking you to replace the BIOS chip and program the system yourself. You're plugging tab A into slot A, tab B into slot B, and so on. In fact in a lot of modern computers things even come colour coded. At the worst they're size-encoded (you have to be pretty stupid <mind you I've met more than one person that has tried this> to try to shove a power cable into a drive strip slot).

Maz

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Coronagold
05-24-2004, 06:23 AM
Me fix car! (car explodes)

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Whitch2
05-24-2004, 09:58 AM
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Reminded me of you, Corona. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
05-25-2004, 03:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As long as you use a little bit of common sense, you don't need to know the insides of a PC. If you can set up your television, vcr, and dvd player, you can set up your computer. Nobody is asking you to replace the BIOS chip and program the system yourself. You're plugging tab A into slot A, tab B into slot B, and so on. In fact in a lot of modern computers things even come colour coded. At the worst they're size-encoded (you have to be pretty stupid &lt;mind you I've met more than one person that has tried this&gt; to try to shove a power cable into a drive strip slot).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I really still would recommend against someone doing this if they've never done anything like this before.

You compare it to installing a VCR. Well I think there are 3 things wrong with this:
a) A VCR comes with a plastic cover and if you look at the back there are only a handful of places to plug things in. The same goes for the TV you have to plug it into.
When you open up your PC there are hundreds of little slots. Even though the disk drives (including the DVD drive) are very simple, like a VCR, the rest of the computer is very complicated - it has lots of things to plug in everywhere, lots of things already plugged in, and if you do the wrong thing, it *can* kill you.

b) If you DO screw up your VCR, you may have to buy a new one. You aren't going to wreck your TV. If you screw up the DVD installation, you may have to buy a new computer, and thats not only the cost & hassle, but also potentially all your data (its happened to me - the data is what you miss the most!)

c) Any technical instruction that takes up THAT much space is not "simple". I could tell you how to plug in a VCR in about 2 paragraphs with no diagrams. And that doesnt even explain how to setup the drivers, etc.

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Coronagold
05-25-2004, 05:37 AM
I miss Data.

Wow Witchypoo, that was fast! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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maztec
05-25-2004, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eat_My_Shortz:
You compare it to installing a VCR. Well I think there are 3 things wrong with this:
a) A VCR comes with a plastic cover and if you look at the back there are only a handful of places to plug things in. The same goes for the TV you have to plug it into.
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You have seen some of the latest VCR's and DVD players right? I swear my mothers has at least 20 different plugs on each spot that have to be connected. You have 6 speaker lines each with two pair, 2x 3 video composite, 2x 3 super-duper-special audio composite, and then every other possible thing that goes out to this device or that device -- it's a lot. Plus all the incoming slots.

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When you open up your PC there are hundreds of little slots.
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That's a major exaggeration. There's generally between 2 and 4 slots for hard drives, which go to cables with 1 to 2 slots on each cable that are tabbled so they only go into their slot in one way. The is typically 1 floppy disc slot, that generally anymore only has a single slot cable. There's generally one or two rows of pins for miscellaneous lights and buttons -- which you usually stay away from. There's usually one CPU slot, that has something in it, which you only take out when you know it needs taken out. There's usually between two and four ram slots, that usually have stuff in them, and are definitely the wrong shape for plugging anything but ram into. Well, maybe the edge of a knife blade could fit in there if you wanted to cack the plastic open. And there's typically one AGP slot followed by 3 to 7 PCI slots. Which you don't necessarily care about for a DVD player.
Oh yes, and that mess of power cords, which generally already are all going to something important and the few remaining can be plugged in to what needs plugged in.

So, you're right, lots of little holes, that all have very specific sizes and shapes and scream at you "I'm not the right one."


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Right, the rest of the computer. Well don't mess with the rest of the computer. It's like changing the oil on your car, thousands of people did it for themselves until it became a public service that's easy to access and have someone else do it. In fact it generally costs me more to buy the oil and pay the disposal fee for the used oil than it costs to use a local oil change shop. Which still frustrates me, I like changing my own oil.

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and if you do the wrong thing, it *can* kill you.
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Right, same goes for lightbulbs. Kids, be sure to unplug the power before you start chewing on the cords.

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b) If you DO screw up your VCR, you may have to buy a new one. You aren't going to wreck your TV. If you screw up the DVD installation, you may have to buy a new computer, and thats not only the cost & hassle, but also potentially all your data (its happened to me - the data is what you miss the most!)
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Sounds like you didn't follow the instructions. Quite a few "repair" or "installation" services also take to the policy of whiping your hard drive as part of their "service". So, frankly, that's just as bad if you don't ask me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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c) Any technical instruction that takes up THAT much space is not "simple". I could tell you how to plug in a VCR in about 2 paragraphs with no diagrams. And that doesnt even explain how to setup the drivers, etc.
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Right, mind you I basically said choose your poison at the start of that and pasted more than one copy of instructions because people do things differently.

Step 0: If you are removing existing hardware, go to Start-&gt;Control Panel-&gt;Add/Remove Hardware-&gt; and select to remove whatever devices you're getting rid of. If drive comes with a driver disc, check out Step 12 and any instructions that came with it.
Step 1: Unplug computer from wall power.
Step 2: Figure out how to open the case and open it.
Step 3: Don't touch anything in the case unless you need to.
Step 4: Grab your new fancy DVD drive -- it probably comes with installation instructions, follow them.
Step 5: Close case. -- Or, if the drive didnt' come with installation instructions, go to step 6.
Step 6: Look at DVD drive, look at the two holes on the back of it. One is long and has a lot of little metal spokes (pins). The other is short and fat and has 4 bigger spokes (pins).
Step 7: Look inside case, find slot for drive. Remove plastic from front of case if necessary, remove existing CDRom drive (after unplugging it and keeping track of the cables) if necessary. Place new drive in slot, screw into place.
Step 9: If you removed cables from existing drive (one power cable, one drive cable, and MAYBE an audio cable of some type) plug them into the new drive in the locations that they obviously fit into. If you can do a jigsaw puzzle, you're overqualified for doing this step.
Step 10: Close case.
Step 11: Plug computer back in and turn it on.
Step 12: If you're running Windows XP, it probably installed itself. Otherwise your drive should have came with an installation disc. Following the instructions that come with it, put the disc in the drive, and install the drivers. This step may have to come along with Step 0, depending on your system setup.

--- Mind you, I'm being overly verbose with even that.

*shrug* But do what you like. My point is that it's fairly easy to install a new drive -- I've talked my Grandmother through the process of installing a new CPU, new RAM, and a new hard drive over the phone before.

But if you think it's going to kill you, don't open the monitor -- it can stay closed. And no licking those power cords!

Maz

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CAGrayWolf
05-25-2004, 01:06 PM
I think the simplest way to say this is ... if you "feel" comfortable installing your own drive ... then do so.

-but-

If you are inexperienced and are NOT comfortable then the best thing to do is buy a DVD-ROM from a store that will install is for you ... this is usually done for free at most places or in the least case a small minimal charge. I advise shopping around not only for the best prices ... but who will install the drive for free if you purchase from that store.

Perhaps the ending has not yet been written!

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brilers
05-25-2004, 02:09 PM
Besides bringing your computer to a store to let them install your new DVD drive if you don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, you might also see if the store will come to you, and if not, chances are there is at least one computer-nerd in your family, extended family, friends, children's group of friends, etc. whom you could have install it for you.

Srikandi
05-25-2004, 11:27 PM
Latest news on the DVD version, by the way: not quite finalized, but it will probably come on 3 (count 'em) DVDs, two with game content and one with all language versions and "bonus material" (don't know about you, but that phrase raised my pulse rate and got me breathing a little faster)!

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kurtg1265
05-25-2004, 11:55 PM
I think you are making it too hard Maztec . Just explain that the back of the DVD drive looks exactly like the back of the CD drive . You dont need to pull any cables off the motherboard , just off the back of the old CD drive ( there are only 2 or sometimes 3 - would be real hard to mix them up ). Make sure the jumper on the back of the DVD is in the same spot as the one on the back of the CD drive . Put the DVD drive in and put the cables back to the same spots you took them from . Of course there is the little bit about mounting screws , which is common sense . Pull them out to remove CD and put in to mount DVD .

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Earendil18
05-26-2004, 12:14 AM
Just find your friendly neighborhood geek and ask him if he could install it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Pretty sure you can find one somewhere.

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maztec
05-26-2004, 12:17 AM
So, 3 DVD's. Bah, that's only 21 CD's! Err.. Ok, DVD's it is ... eeeek.

kurtg, hmm, I didn't mean remove the cables from the motherboard. I just meant from the CD drive and plug them into the new DVD drive. ... Sorry about the confusion there.

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Srikandi
05-26-2004, 03:29 PM
Ear: ahem: "him or her" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Eat_My_Shortz
06-28-2004, 06:51 AM
Wow Maztec - that was the height of sarcasm.

Well you guys have read all the arguments. As GrayWolf said, if you feel comfortable doing it, knock yourself out. But don't blame me if something goes wrong.

Bonus DVD sounds good. Hope its got video (ie. DVD-Video) features.

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