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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:49 PM
i was just reading a book about the pacific campaign and i found that there was a soviet offensive against the notorius japanese kwangtung army in late 1945.
i was wondering if they might of had any air support(ie.sturmoviks) and if there might have been any dogfights
the book states that the kwangtung army did have a few early and late model a6m zero fighters so i was wondering if anyone had any info on this little known offensive.



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:49 PM
i was just reading a book about the pacific campaign and i found that there was a soviet offensive against the notorius japanese kwangtung army in late 1945.
i was wondering if they might of had any air support(ie.sturmoviks) and if there might have been any dogfights
the book states that the kwangtung army did have a few early and late model a6m zero fighters so i was wondering if anyone had any info on this little known offensive.



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:51 PM
Yes it was the world's greatest Blitzkrieg. The Russians moved damn fast and took hundreds of thousands of Japanese prisoners (and I think none ever returned home - Russian Gulag stories often mention Japanese prisoners).

There were certainly a lot of IL-2 and IL-10s involved, including several shipping skip bomb missions.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:54 PM
i suppose it was a case of what goes around comes around in a morbid way

any pics of the campaign anyone? i want to do some skinning of some planes based on this campaign

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:08 PM
Maybe now people will understand who we are going to have Jap planes /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There was combats at China (1939) with russians planes and pilots against the IJN. Russians provided the first defense of China. AVG engaged later.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 02:04 PM
yeah thats what i've been trying to tell people in the chatrooms



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 04:15 PM
ianboys wrote:
- Yes it was the world's greatest Blitzkrieg. The
- Russians moved damn fast and took hundreds of
- thousands of Japanese prisoners (and I think none
- ever returned home - Russian Gulag stories often
- mention Japanese prisoners).
-
- There were certainly a lot of IL-2 and IL-10s
- involved, including several shipping skip bomb
- missions.
-

True, in a week, for losses of about 8000 soldiers killed, the Red Army killed 150 000/200 000 japanese ones and took 500 000/600 000 prisonners (Most sources indicate a total of about 750 000 casualties in all).

They had heavy air support from hundreds of aircraft that included Il-2s, Tu-2s, Pe-2s, Il-4s, A-20s, P-63s, and also the usual Yaks and Lavochkins.

The soviet losses were of about 100 aircrafts, none in air combat (mostly AAA, and accidents).

One air kill was scored over Manchuria by a P-63 pilot over a Ki-43, and three others by Yak-9s over the sea of Japan (over one H6K "Mavis", and two J1M1 fighters).

Overall, there was very little japanese air activity.

As far as the japanese prisonners are concerned, the only source I have about their fate indicate that "60 000 of the 600 000 prisonners taken died or disappeared while in captivity".

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 05:53 PM
read:
http://forums.ubi.com/messages/message_view.asp?name=us_il2sturmovik_gd&id=zaapv



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 11:10 PM
nicli wrote:
- One air kill was scored over Manchuria by a P-63
- pilot over a Ki-43, and three others by Yak-9s over
- the sea of Japan (over one H6K "Mavis", and two J1M1
- fighters).
-

Sorry for the mistake : the "J1M1s" were in fact J2Ms.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 11:38 PM
No J2M3 was involved in air battles outside Japanese mainland after fall 44.



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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 11:46 PM
KIMURA wrote:
- No J2M3 was involved in air battles outside Japanese
- mainland after fall 44.
-

Weren't the Kuriles considered as part of the Japanese main land ?

I think the J2Ms (or the fighters identified as such) were shot down over the sea while trying to intercept soviet raids on the Kuriles a few days before the soviet landings.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 11:47 PM
I suppose those J2M3s were Ki-44s or Ki-84s.
Regarding the prisoners, I remember a TV documentary about Karaganda (where my grandfather was forced to work in the mines as well).
There they interviewed a very old Japanese, who only got back to Japan in 1992. But apparently, while they could not get back, he (and maybe others as well) married there and have their own families.
So apparently not all were killed.
But that old man they interviewed did not want to go back to Japan, but rather stayed in Karaganda.

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Message Edited on 09/01/0310:48PM by theRealAntEater

XyZspineZyX
09-02-2003, 12:18 AM
J-aircraft has some interesting articles:

Autumn Storm:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/George_Mellinger/soviet_order_of_battle.htm


Action over the Kuriles:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/aerial_actions_over_kuriles.htm


Soviet Naval Aerial Kills, 1945:
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/soviet_navel_aerial_kills_augus.htm

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