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Mitlov47
03-11-2004, 02:06 AM
I'm having trouble keeping track of exactly what planes are considered "uber,"--planes where people roll their eyes when you say you like flying them. The ones I've picked up on so far:

LA-7
Yak-3
MiG-3U
Ki-84

I quickly picked up on the fact that LA-7 and Yak-3 are frequently condemned as "uber," but I didn't realize the last two were until I posted "does anybody else like this plane" threads about each. So is that it? Are there versions of the BF-109 or FW-190 that are considered Uber? How about American fighters?

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Love lost, fire at will; Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill.
I hear dive bombers and Empire down, Empire down..."
--Sisters of Mercy

KI-84 -- "Kaoru's Bokken"
MiG-3 -- "Yes Anastasia"

Mitlov47
03-11-2004, 02:06 AM
I'm having trouble keeping track of exactly what planes are considered "uber,"--planes where people roll their eyes when you say you like flying them. The ones I've picked up on so far:

LA-7
Yak-3
MiG-3U
Ki-84

I quickly picked up on the fact that LA-7 and Yak-3 are frequently condemned as "uber," but I didn't realize the last two were until I posted "does anybody else like this plane" threads about each. So is that it? Are there versions of the BF-109 or FW-190 that are considered Uber? How about American fighters?

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"I hear the roar of a big machine; Two worlds and in between.
Love lost, fire at will; Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill.
I hear dive bombers and Empire down, Empire down..."
--Sisters of Mercy

KI-84 -- "Kaoru's Bokken"
MiG-3 -- "Yes Anastasia"

ELEM
03-11-2004, 02:26 AM
Why does it matter to you? Fly what you like, when you like and where you like. What will this subjective list achieve?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Mitlov47
03-11-2004, 02:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ELEM:
Why does it matter to you? Fly what you like, when you like and where you like. What will this subjective list achieve?

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I get a chance to play online soon, I'd like to make sure that I don't fly a plane that would be considered "poor sportsmanship." I'd rather lose on a level playing field than win on a slanted one.

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"I hear the roar of a big machine; Two worlds and in between.
Love lost, fire at will; Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill.
I hear dive bombers and Empire down, Empire down..."
--Sisters of Mercy

KI-84 -- "Kaoru's Bokken"
MiG-3 -- "Yes Anastasia"

SeaFireLIV
03-11-2004, 02:34 AM
It`s a mistake to listen to what people say is `UBER`. This is mostly Luftwhines. Even the term `UBER` is German (Luftwaffe)- Unless you are a Lufty flyer and enjoy panning the Allied (especially Russian), it`s not worth listening to. It`s totally biased and is really only there to help make the LW fliers feel that they`re `up against it` as usual.

You`ll change your mind online when you see just how the LW will fly against you whether you`re in an LA7, Lagg3 or otherwise. It`ll be stay high, dive, stay high, dive, repeat ad infinitum. Then you`ll grab whatever does the job!
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ELEM
03-11-2004, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:

If I get a chance to play online soon, I'd like to make sure that I don't fly a plane that would be considered "poor sportsmanship." I'd rather lose on a level playing field than win on a slanted one.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is a level playing field. Everyone has the same choice of a/c on a server. They are there to give YOU the choice. Make your own decisions. Using any particular one can, in no way, be considered "poor sportmanship". So long as you abide by the rules of the server you can ignore any jibes relating to "newbs in uber a/c".

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

Bearcat99
03-11-2004, 05:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
If I get a chance to play online soon, I'd like to make sure that I don't fly a plane that would be considered "poor sportsmanship." I'd rather lose on a level playing field than win on a slanted one.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fly what you want..... dont listen to that nonsense. Only an idiot would complain because someone is flying a plane that they cant hit. When I am in a server and I am having no luck against the competition flying more maneuverable aircraft I either leave the server or just fly the same plane if it relly starts to get to me.

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Jenny_Lo
03-11-2004, 05:42 AM
Uber LOL
Fly what you want.
If people roll their eyes, they should swap planes. Chances are they make an excuse about your plane being too good because they know that if they were in the same plane as you you would still kick their BSides.
Pilot skill is the most important factor.
If your good and fly the plane to it's advantage, let them roll their eyes as they burn, time and time again.

shok.
03-11-2004, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s a mistake to listen to what people say is `UBER`. This is mostly Luftwhines. Even the term `UBER` is German (Luftwaffe)- Unless you are a Lufty flyer and enjoy panning the Allied (especially Russian), it`s not worth listening to. It`s totally biased and is really only there to help make the LW fliers feel that they`re `up against it` as usual.

You`ll change your mind online when you see just how the LW will fly against you whether you`re in an LA7, Lagg3 or otherwise. It`ll be stay high, dive, stay high, dive, repeat ad infinitum. Then you`ll grab whatever does the job!
SeaFireLIV...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, the 190\109s are energy fighters, what else do you want us to do? Try and turn with your ├╝ber plane? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
Germany focused on energy fighters from the start of ww2, by the end everyone else did too.

LEXX_Luthor
03-11-2004, 06:21 AM
Russ focused on "energy" first with I~16 long before anybody else.

Actually, France did with SPAD long ago. Although I think Albatros was the same way.

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Jenny_Lo
03-11-2004, 06:37 AM
The 109K-4 will out climb anything else in the game, by a fair margin (inc the ME262) when on man. Prop. Pitch. Now, running away by pointing my nose to the sky is what I call uber!
Why do people not roll eyes at them?
Because they are hard to fly? - yeah right.
It is hard when you practice for hours each day for months or years and someone out fights you in a turn fight when they have a great turning plane like a Yak or an LA. But when you die it is always YOUR fault, but because you get caught out on yer energy and the turn planes win hands down, it's the fault of the turn plane pilot for choosing the turn plane. LMAO

What is Uber about being BnZ'd to death in my zero by a 190 Dora? Who has it easy and who should roll eyes and look down on the other? Nobody!!!

Fly what you want and for crying out loud GET A LIFE!

Vengeanze
03-11-2004, 06:41 AM
Le La-5 was uber before La-7 was flyable!!

U might like to add that to your list.

Maybe make a separate list for each patch.
Then La-5 would be on the list for IL-2 all patches.

The_Red_Spoon
03-11-2004, 06:44 AM
There is a weird paradox with the stronger aircraft - lots of people prefer harder difficulty settings, but they have a hissy fit when faced with an aircraft that is harder to shoot down than a C-47. Go figure.

Anyway, I always get shot to bits with the La-7; when it stalls, it STALLS. The 109s may not turn as well, but they are much more predictable.

Hunde_3.JG51
03-11-2004, 06:47 AM
EMitton, I know this thread was partially, if not completely, in response to your Mig-3U thread. Just to point out that all I said is that the Mig-3U should be a '43 plane, and that it completely out-classes the 190A-4 in '42. And that there were only 6 built and not that much is known about it. You asked why nobody talked about it and I explained why. We obviously had a miscommunication and from there it went south http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. But all is well now I hope.

And I'll say in this thread what I said in the other thread; Fly what you like and be happy, everybody enjoys FB in a different way and there is no right and wrong, just different preferences. I think every plane has been called "uber" at one point or another http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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AlGroover
03-11-2004, 06:54 AM
One would hope that late war planes would be superior to early war planes!

BaldieJr
03-11-2004, 06:59 AM
Fly the spitfire in furballs. Its a UFO.

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p1ngu666
03-11-2004, 08:16 AM
must admit i hate the ki84C
was on a server with a candain squad flying them. 1 pass and your dead
and i was flying perticaly badly/unluckliy too
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Mitlov47
03-11-2004, 11:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
EMitton, I know this thread was partially, if not completely, in response to your Mig-3U thread.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That thread may bave contributed, but this thread has been a long time coming after much more in-your-face threads about the LA7 and Ki-84 (both of which I enjoy flying, cause I'm a turn-and-burn junkie).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We obviously had a miscommunication and from there it went south http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif. But all is well now I hope.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course all is well. The internet has an amazing ability to take two people who essentially agree on everything, and make them think they're in total disagreement http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I think every plane has been called "uber" at one point or another http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
True that. I even remember a thread of people complaining about the I-153! Never seen one about the P-11c, though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"I hear the roar of a big machine; Two worlds and in between.
Love lost, fire at will; Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill.
I hear dive bombers and Empire down, Empire down..."
--Sisters of Mercy

KI-84 -- "Kaoru's Bokken"
MiG-3 -- "Yes Anastasia"

Xnomad
03-11-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
It`s a mistake to listen to what people say is `UBER`. This is mostly Luftwhines. Even the term `UBER` is German (Luftwaffe)- Unless you are a Lufty flyer and enjoy panning the Allied (especially Russian), it`s not worth listening to. It`s totally biased and is really only there to help make the LW fliers feel that they`re `up against it` as usual.

You`ll change your mind online when you see just how the LW will fly against you whether you`re in an LA7, Lagg3 or otherwise. It`ll be stay high, dive, stay high, dive, repeat ad infinitum. Then you`ll grab whatever does the job!
SeaFireLIV...

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Soon... Very soon....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't lump all LW fliers in the same boat please! As for the B&Z tactics are we to turn fight in Bf 109 G-14 so that Reds can have an easy day in their turn fighters?

I have no problem with B&Zers when I'm flying a Yak, I just turn just before they shoot. Whining about B&Zing is just as daft as whining like this "You`ll change your mind online when you see just how the VVS will fly against you whether you`re in a Bf 109, FW 190 or otherwise. It`ll be go round and round and round and round, repeat ad infinitum. Then you`ll grab whatever does the job!"

The fact that Ueber is a German word has nothing to do with the Luftwaffe or this game. The only whine I have ever made about the above planes in the list are that the La 7 seems indestructible even to a MK 108.

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Zen--
03-11-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
I think every plane has been called "uber" at one point or another <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Was the D9 ever called uber? I don't recall.

-Zen-

Cossack_UA
03-11-2004, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The fact that Ueber is a German word has nothing to do with the Luftwaffe or this game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes it does! People from US, UK, Russia, Spain, Norway, Germany and many other contires come to these formus. Everybody has to speak English in order to communicate here. Why didn't they come up with the same term but in Spanish for example?

[This message was edited by Cossack_UA on Thu March 11 2004 at 02:21 PM.]

Maj_Death
03-11-2004, 02:55 PM
I have never seen anyone claim the Bf-109F2 was uber but everything else, yes. Even the lowly P-11c has been called uber. But it actually deserves that title because it is immune to MG and cannon fire. Maybe a rocket can take it out but that's about it.

In my oppinion there are only a few truely uber planes, them being the La-7, Me-262, Mig-3U (in 1942 servers), He-162, P-80 and Me-163. These planes totally outclass everything else to the point where even a rookie in them is likely to down a veteran flying anything else. The Yak-3 isn't even remotly uber IMHO. It is slow and poorly armed. The only things it has going for it are excellent agility and energy retention.

Fly what you want but some planes will make you unpopular to play with. Also keep in mind that when you are in multiplayer, you are playing against people, not computers. Some things that are perfectly acceptable to do to the AI will get you promptly booted from a multiplayer game. Observe the hosts rules and try to be curtious. Curtiousy can include not flying some planes even if they are availible. Jets are a good example. Unless the server is intended as a hypothetical jet vs jet battle then I suggest sticking with props even if jets are allowed.

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JG26Red
03-11-2004, 02:55 PM
KI 84s are overall too fast at all levels, plus there high speed handling may be a bit too good too...

Huxley_S
03-11-2004, 02:59 PM
... er... semantics right... the English language is a b*****d language that takes whatever it needs from other languages. We didn't have a word for "much better than yours" so we adopted the word uber from the Germans, because it seemed to fit the bill. The entire English language is based on this principle.

Xnomad
03-11-2004, 03:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cossack_UA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The fact that Ueber is a German word has nothing to do with the Luftwaffe or this game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes it does! People from US, UK, Russia, Spain, Norway, Germany and many other contires come to these formus. Everybody has to speak English in order to communicate here. Why didn't they come up with the same term but in Spanish for example?

[This message was edited by Cossack_UA on Thu March 11 2004 at 02:21 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL you think the word Uber was first borrowed from the German language for this game and this Forum?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

Definition
├╝ber-, uber- [Show phonetics]
adjective HUMOROUS
used before nouns to mean 'extreme' or 'extremely good/successful':
├╝ber-model, Giselle
├╝ber-billionaire

Or go here http://germanenglishwords.com/rlgu.htm



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[This message was edited by Xnomad on Thu March 11 2004 at 03:11 PM.]

[This message was edited by Xnomad on Thu March 11 2004 at 03:14 PM.]

Mitlov47
03-11-2004, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cossack_UA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The fact that Ueber is a German word has nothing to do with the Luftwaffe or this game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes it does! People from US, UK, Russia, Spain, Norway, Germany and many other contires come to these formus. Everybody has to speak English in order to communicate here. Why didn't they come up with the same term but in Spanish for example?

[This message was edited by Cossack_UA on Thu March 11 2004 at 02:21 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi! I'm the guy who used started this thread and first used the term "uber" in this thread. The way *I* used it has nothing to do with German planes/Luftwaffe/Luftwhiners/whatever. At least in Colorado, where I grew up, "uber" has entered everyday speech of most countercultures. For example, if you see someone with a 12-inch multicolored mohawk, you'd say "that person isn't just punk, they're uber-punk." Same with the goth scene and the rivethead scene. I think the word "uber" got adopted because Germany is the center of industrial music.

Anyway, English--especially American English--is a mutt language. From "entrepreneur" to "schmuck," we've borrowed countless foreign words and made them our own.

My usage of the word "uber" was not meant to single out LW pilots.

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"I hear the roar of a big machine; Two worlds and in between.
Love lost, fire at will; Dum-dum bullets and shoot to kill.
I hear dive bombers and Empire down, Empire down..."
--Sisters of Mercy

KI-84 -- "Kaoru's Bokken"
MiG-3 -- "Yes Anastasia"

Jenny_Lo
03-12-2004, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Observe the hosts rules and try to be curtious. Curtiousy can include not flying some planes even if they are availible. Jets are a good example. Unless the server is intended as a hypothetical jet vs jet battle then I suggest sticking with props even if jets are allowed.

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The F7F Tigercat in Aces Over the Pacific is overmodeled.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they are avaliable then they are normally within the hosts rules. What you suggest seems mad, can't you fly jets or something? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I agree that there is good grounds not to have jets avaliable on some servers, but when they are and someone keeps BZing me, I jump in one and keep them busy. I don't see them as rude, it's up to them what they fly and me what i do about it.
BTW Jets WERE uber, seen a newly developed prop fighter recently LMAO

[This message was edited by Jenny_Lo on Fri March 12 2004 at 04:48 AM.]

NorrisMcWhirter
03-12-2004, 06:29 AM
Hi,

Any plane can be 'uber' in the right hands. It's when you put it in the hands of a novice that the classification comes into it's own and it's the well grounded perception that the La7 and Yak3 are easy to fly. Yes, they are easier to fly - that's what they were designed for.

Personally, I think the 190A9 with 2x30mms is uber because one pass and most targets are in tiny, tiny little pieces - that's why I fly it. I doubt many would class the 190s as uber, in general, though.

Once again, it's subjective and most of the opinion will be based upon snobbery much like the cockpit on/off debate.

As I'm also a snob so my list would be:

La7
Yak 3
Anything with sniper AI gunners.
P51

Cheers,
Norris


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