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Shogo_Takeuchi
02-22-2004, 04:17 AM
Hello Maddox´s Team,

great thanks for the Japanese Aircrafts for the Ace pack. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But i missed the Ki 61, Ki 43, Ki 44, and the Shiden kai.

Or came this Aircrafts in later Updates or a New Game ?

Please build more Japanese Planes for the Il2 Sturmovik Game its GREAT!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-22-2004, 04:17 AM
Hello Maddox´s Team,

great thanks for the Japanese Aircrafts for the Ace pack. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But i missed the Ki 61, Ki 43, Ki 44, and the Shiden kai.

Or came this Aircrafts in later Updates or a New Game ?

Please build more Japanese Planes for the Il2 Sturmovik Game its GREAT!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

F19_Olli72
02-22-2004, 04:45 AM
Shogo, both the Ki-43 & the Ki-61 are under development for FB. I think a cockpit is planned for the Ki-43 but im unsure about the Ki-61, dont know about the other planes. They wont make it in the ACE expansion pack though. You can check http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID43&conf=DCConfID1 for more info about planes in progress. Heres a post about the Ki43: http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/697.html

If you read netwings forums youll discover some other japanese planes as well in the works.

Gershy
02-22-2004, 05:41 AM
hi. Here you can view pics of the planes in development:

http://jg777.com/il2/images/

and here you have a list:

http://jg777.com/il2/database/jp/

VW-IceFire
02-22-2004, 08:01 AM
Gershy...thats the old IL2 Database...for now its good but it'll be quickly outdated. Harti and I are currently trying to put together a new database with a new picture archive.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
The New IL2 Database is Coming Soon!

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-22-2004, 08:18 AM
Thanks for the great informations http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thats what i want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you need some help about Japanese Aircraft (Technichal,Histroy or Pilots who has fly them) then contact me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

KIMURA
02-22-2004, 12:45 PM
Capt. Takeuchi check PM please.

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-23-2004, 04:14 PM
Hi Kimura,

look at your PM. I hope i can help you with this informations.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Gunner_361st
02-23-2004, 05:14 PM
Hello Shogo_Takeuchi, I had a post on this forum earlier regarding the A6M5a Zero we have, but I'll just post what pertains to it about it here...

"My next query is the A6M5a. Looking at it in the object viewer, it listed various versions at the bottom.

A6M5 - New NK1C Sakae-21 Radial Engine, 1130 HP.

A6M5a - Strengthened wing, more ammo for the 20mm cannons, and 1 13.2mm MG replacing 1 of the 2 7.7mm MG's in the cowling.

In the object viewer and the plane selection screen, we have the A6M5a version. However, looking at the cowling guns in FB, it seems we only have the 2 7.7mm MG of the regular A6M5, considering they look, sound, damage, and fly the same, as well as running out of ammo at the same time.

Is this a typo or did some A6M5a aircraft not receive the 13.2mm MG?

My last topic is from a personal perspective. The 2 Type-99 20mm cannon of the Zero seem to be extremely powerful, able to blow aircraft apart with only a short, well-aimed burst. The following link lists statistics on WW2 weaponry...

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

Comparing the Type 99 20x101RB cartridge to the 20x82 German MG151-20 yields interesting results. The Minengeschoss rounds pack 3 times the high explosive content of the Japanese 101RB, but are mixed in with Armor piercing and regular high explosive. Is the Minengeschoss round modeled into Forgotten Battles?

Sorry for being so long-winded, but I'm just curious. Any illumination on these matters would be greatly appreciated. S~"

Do you know anything about that? It would seem that the A6M5a version we have should have one 13.2mm MG and 1 7.7mm MG in the cowling, but in FB, we most certainly have 2 7.7mm.

Captain Gunner of the 361st vFG

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Awake74
02-24-2004, 07:05 AM
Gunner_361st:
I show my understanding for your quote 1 of 2.

FB A6M5a is type52-KOU that called in japan.
Replaced right side7.7>13.2mmMG is A6M5b called type52-OTU.

some(many? lol) variations after Type52...

Type52 (series about 6000planes of all 10370planes)
A6M5 native(dive 360kt, sakae21)
A6M5a KOU(dive 400kt by you quoted, 20mm belt feed anmo etc)
A6M5b OTU(right side13.2, armered front glass etc)
A6M5c HEI(A6M5b eng to sakae31, wing13.2x2add, 93planes)

Type53 A6M6c HEI(A6M5c eng replaced to sakae31metanol, test plane*)
Type62 A6M7(*myterious used as real)
Type63 A6M7(A6M5c eng replaced to sakae31KOU, rocket anmo)
Type54 A6M8c HEI(=Type64 official, A6M5c eng replaced to kinsei62 1500hp, plan)

see(paste link toyour browser&enter) cowling outside phote,
right side slot bigger then left and few nearly to center line,
but It's Type63 carried up from biwako-lake, placing in kyoto.

http://www.geocities.jp/keni_yam/zero13mm.jpg

Your quote2, i don't know much about anmo ammunitions.

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-24-2004, 04:40 PM
Hi Gunner,

here are the Reisen Armamaent:

Two 7.7 mm Type 97 machine-guns in the upper fuselage decking and two wing mounted 20mm Type99 cannon (A6M1, A6M2, A6M3, A6M5 and A6M5a)

One 7.7 mm machine-gun and one 13.2 mm Type3 machine-gun in the upper fuselage decking, and two wing mounted 20mm Type99 cannon (A6M5b)

One 13.2mm Type3 machine gun in the upper fuselage decking, two wing mounted 13.2mm Type3 machine guns and two wing mounted 20mm type99 cannon (A6M5c, A6M6c and A6M7)

Two wing mounted 13.2mm Type3 machine gun and two wing mounted 20mm Type99 cannon (A6M8)

Two 7.7mm Type97 machine gun in the upper fuselage decking and two 30mm cannon (experimental installation A6M3)

Two 7.7mm Type97 machine guns in the upper fuselage decking, two wing mounted 20mm Type99 cannon and one fuselage mounted oblique firing 20mm type99 cannon (night fighter version of A6M5

now to the powerplant:

One Mitsubishi Zusei 13 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 780hp for take off and 875hp at 3600m (11,810ft) driving a two or three blade metal propeller (A6M1)

One Nakajima NK1C Sakae 12 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial ratetd at 940hp for take off and 950hp at 4500m (13,780ft) driving a three blade metal propeller (A6M2)

One Nakajima NK1F Sakae 21 fourteen-cylinder air-cooled radial ratetd at 1130hp for take off
and 980hp at 6,000m (19,685ft) driving a three blade metal propeller (A6M3, A6M5, A6M5a, A6M5b and A6M5c)

One Nakajima Sakae 31 fourteen-cylinder air cooled radial rated at 1,130hp for take off 1,100hp at 2,850m (19,685ft) driving an three blade metal propeller (A6M5c and A6M7)

One Mitsubishi MK8P Kinsei 62 fourteen cylinder radial rated at 1,560hp for take off 1,340hp at 2,100m (6,890ft) and 1,180hp at 5,600m (19,030ft) driving a three blade metal propeller (A6M8)

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-24-2004, 05:00 PM
here are some informations about the machine guns:

13.2mm Type2 machine gun

This belt-fed weapon superseded the 7.7mm Type97 machine gun on japanese naval aircraftin particular, was fitted to late versions of the mitsubishi A6M, overall lenght 61 in, weight 66 lb, rate of fire 800 rpm, muzzle velocity 2,590 ft per sec, effective range 900m (2,950ft)

20mm Type99 cannon

Standard aircraft cannon of the japanese navy thie weapon was constantly improved throught the war and appered in a varienty of version for use on fixed or felxible mounts. early versions used drumed magazines, while then later type99 model2 Mark 4 was beld-fed. overall lenght ranging from 52.2 in (Model1) to 74.4 in (Model2 Mark4) weight ranging from 51 lb (Model1) to 82 lb (Model2 Mark4) rate of fire ranging from 490rpm (Model2 Mark3) to 750rpm (model2 Mark5) muzzle velocity ranging from 1,970ft per sec (Model1) to 2,490ft per sec (Model2 Mark5) effective range 800m (2,625ft) to 1,000m (3,280ft)

i hope thats the informatons what you want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Magister__Ludi
02-25-2004, 10:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shogo_Takeuchi:
Thanks for the great informations http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thats what i want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you need some help about Japanese Aircraft (Technichal,Histroy or Pilots who has fly them) then contact me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great to have someone knowledgeable of japanese aircraft on this forum! My info comes mostly from Francillon book, but I found there a lot of conflicting specs with datas from other sources. We really could use your opinion.

For example a question would be: what is the max speed for Ki-84-Ia (at best altitude)? All the info I found says that production models did a max of 380-395mph, but in american test with high octane fuel it reached 427mph. Was it a good measurement? (USN does not have the best reputation for flight testing). Did they reached a higher speed because the engine was running at higher boost than production plane(allowed by higher octane fuel)? What was the maximum octane rating for the fuel used operationally by the JAAF?

Gunner_361st
02-25-2004, 11:30 AM
Thank you sir, looks like the Object viewer just had a typo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif S~

Captain Gunner of the 361st vFG

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Shogo_Takeuchi
02-25-2004, 04:12 PM
Hi Magister,

thats a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The JAAF use the german norm fuel B4 (min.80octan) the japanese war ministry use a lot of german flight norms (in cooperation with the german messerschmitt testpilot Willi St¶r). by the fuel problems in japan at end of the war the octan going under 80 to 70 or 60 for the regular combat aircraft. For the home defence was the best fuel use. some sources believed the octan was over 90-100 (for use in the ki-100 or raiden interceptor) but i believe to francillon that was around 80 to 90 octan use.

to the high speed of the ki84 (its also a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

in the ki-84 was 4 Types of the Ha45 engine in use.

ha45 11 1,650hp
ha45 12 1,670hp
ha45 21 1,850hp
ha45 23 1,670hp

in the ha45 23 was a methanol-water injection in use what allowed a higher speed.

i think the ki84 Ia had 392mph at 20,080ft as top.

The american aircraft use 150octan what in combination with water-methanol injection make a brutal boost of speed for ca. 20 sec. but that burnd out the engine and destroy it. i dont believed in the american tests of the japanese aircrafts a 427mph speed is to many or destroyed the engine!

i hope i can help you with this informations

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-25-2004, 04:16 PM
Hi Gunner,

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif no problem. When you have another questions simply post i hope i can answer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Magister__Ludi
02-25-2004, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shogo_Takeuchi:
Hi Magister,

thats a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The JAAF use the german norm fuel B4 (min.80octan) the japanese war ministry use a lot of german flight norms (in cooperation with the german messerschmitt testpilot Willi St¶r). by the fuel problems in japan at end of the war the octan going under 80 to 70 or 60 for the regular combat aircraft. For the home defence was the best fuel use. some sources believed the octan was over 90-100 (for use in the ki-100 or raiden interceptor) but i believe to francillon that was around 80 to 90 octan use.

to the high speed of the ki84 (its also a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

in the ki-84 was 4 Types of the Ha45 engine in use.

ha45 11 1,650hp
ha45 12 1,670hp
ha45 21 1,850hp
ha45 23 1,670hp

in the ha45 23 was a methanol-water injection in use what allowed a higher speed.

i think the ki84 Ia had 392mph at 20,080ft as top.

The american aircraft use 150octan what in combination with water-methanol injection make a brutal boost of speed for ca. 20 sec. but that burnd out the engine and destroy it. i dont believed in the american tests of the japanese aircrafts a 427mph speed is to many or destroyed the engine!

i hope i can help you with this informations

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks a lot Shogo, this clarifies a long debate here on the forum. Currently the max speed for Ki-84 in FB is 427mph(@best altitude) which to me it seemed exagerated. I knew that USN tested the Ki-84 with high octane fuel but I did not found the octane rating in one reliable source (do you have a reliable source for this so I can quote it or you assumed this from Ki-84 specs with best fuel available to JAAF?) Everything else seems ok with Ki-84 flight model, but max speed was too high.

Thanks again for your quick answer.

mike_espo
02-25-2004, 10:10 PM
A6M5a was a version of the zero 52 with a belt feed for the cannons that increased the ammo to 125 rpg. Also diving speed was increased. The A6m5b was the version that replaced the cowl mounted 7.7mm mgs to one 13mm mg. The A6m5c had two 13mm mgs outboard the 20mm cannons increasing the armament to 5 weapons.

KIMURA
02-26-2004, 04:48 AM
Schiffer books as well as any other source rating the Ha-45 and it's power as follow:

Ha.45/11 1800HP
Ha.45/21 1800HP
Ha.45/23 1990HP
Ha.45/25 1990HP

And to be honest, it would surprised me also, that a 45 litre engine would have an max. output of 1600HP, as mentioned above.

Shogo_Takeuchi
02-26-2004, 03:54 PM
Hi Magister,

i can tell you a source for these testing: very old books from robert c. mikesh and Osamu Tagaya (published in 1985 under naval institute press)

and at last very good informations about testing from japanese aircafts at end of the war is in the book from henry sakaidas 343 Kokutai Japans squadron of Aces there is a capital over testing the shiden-kai directly after the wars end by japanese pilots. there are no other sources about this theme!

The octan rating of american aircraftfuel you can find in many good books about the b17 or the hellcat or other you will find the octan rating 150! i think that the american simly use her fuel with the higher octan on the japanese aircrafts! Its the typical easy american way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

so i hope thats what i dont have more informations about this theme sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

aminx
02-29-2004, 09:50 PM
torpedo bombers???
i wonder why nobody is developing any torpedoe bombers for future pacfic sim???
Avenger
Kate
Devastator
any development tecnical problems' with these kind of planes?
aminx

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VW-IceFire
02-29-2004, 10:52 PM
With the developments of the Pacific sim underwraps...how do you know that no torpedo bomber is under development?

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
RCAF 412 Falcon Squadron - "Swift to Avenge"

aminx
03-01-2004, 01:05 AM
torpedoe bombers:
-----------------

simply because i have not found any information on plane in development news from anyone or anywhere.do you know something??
aminx

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aminx
03-02-2004, 01:53 AM
who is developing the avenger????
necrobaron says luthier,but i see no shots,any idea where to go??
bye aminx

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Diablo310th
03-02-2004, 07:21 AM
Hopefully Oleg will see this and fix the top speed in the next patch after AEP. And hopefully the 50lb.stick force roll rate of the D-27 Jug.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magister__Ludi:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shogo_Takeuchi:
Hi Magister,

thats a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif The JAAF use the german norm fuel B4 (min.80octan) the japanese war ministry use a lot of german flight norms (in cooperation with the german messerschmitt testpilot Willi St¶r). by the fuel problems in japan at end of the war the octan going under 80 to 70 or 60 for the regular combat aircraft. For the home defence was the best fuel use. some sources believed the octan was over 90-100 (for use in the ki-100 or raiden interceptor) but i believe to francillon that was around 80 to 90 octan use.

to the high speed of the ki84 (its also a terrible question http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

in the ki-84 was 4 Types of the Ha45 engine in use.

ha45 11 1,650hp
ha45 12 1,670hp
ha45 21 1,850hp
ha45 23 1,670hp

in the ha45 23 was a methanol-water injection in use what allowed a higher speed.

i think the ki84 Ia had 392mph at 20,080ft as top.

The american aircraft use 150octan what in combination with water-methanol injection make a brutal boost of speed for ca. 20 sec. but that burnd out the engine and destroy it. i dont believed in the american tests of the japanese aircrafts a 427mph speed is to many or destroyed the engine!

i hope i can help you with this informations

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks a lot Shogo, this clarifies a long debate here on the forum. Currently the max speed for Ki-84 in FB is 427mph(@best altitude) which to me it seemed exagerated. I knew that USN tested the Ki-84 with high octane fuel but I did not found the octane rating in one reliable source (do you have a reliable source for this so I can quote it or you assumed this from Ki-84 specs with best fuel available to JAAF?) Everything else seems ok with Ki-84 flight model, but max speed was too high.

Thanks again for your quick answer.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-02-2004, 11:04 AM
Hi Diablo,

i hope also that see oleg this postings!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

WE NEED MOR JAPANESE AIRCRAFTS OLEG !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Oleg_Maddox
03-02-2004, 11:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shogo_Takeuchi:
Thanks for the great informations http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thats what i want http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif If you need some help about Japanese Aircraft (Technichal,Histroy or Pilots who has fly them) then contact me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

write your email on il2beta@1c.ru

Me and Lutheir will contact you then.

K-61 of 3 versions already almost done http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I think they will go all in Pacific project http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif That will be separate sim, not add-on.

necrobaron
03-02-2004, 12:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aminx:
who is developing the avenger????
necrobaron says luthier,but i see no shots,any idea where to go??
bye aminx

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well,there are no dev.updates for the Pacific sim just yet. It's still very early in development,if I understand correctly. I'm fairly certain there will be torp bombers. I can't imagine a Pacific sim without them.

"Not all who wander are lost."

aminx
03-02-2004, 01:03 PM
thanks reply ,also the carriers, ships and ground objects will have to be developed,it'll take time, maybe well after B.O.B is released unless another project bumps it further up.aminx

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aminx
03-02-2004, 01:08 PM
we also need japanese carriers and ships as per my thread page 2 and land objects for beach scenario now!!!!!!and dont forget the KATE.aminx

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aminx
03-02-2004, 01:39 PM
i can hardly wait to get my butt into the oscar and start blasting at the marine bases on the beaches of guadalcanal with oil drums and amphibious landing craft exploding while a couple of corsairs try to take off and ships hail a barrage of flack at me.
aminx

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aminx
03-02-2004, 08:55 PM
ATT captain shogo:
could you please also assist in looking up www2 japanese land objects:

trucks
jeeps
tanks
antiaircraft
sea planes
catapult launched planes
transport planes
communication equipment
please reffer to my thread above yours when you have time and comment on anything missing specially the input on the list of japanese carriers and ships.
best regards
aminx

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aminx
03-02-2004, 09:39 PM
http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/1.jpg

[This message was edited by aminx on Tue March 02 2004 at 08:48 PM.]

aminx
03-02-2004, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by aminx:
http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/1.jpg[[IMG]http://img25.photobucket.com/albums/v76/aminx/1.jpg/IMG]

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-04-2004, 12:53 PM
Hi Aminx,

the pictures looks very nice! Good Job! But the links that you posted didn´t work only the last link you posted (the ki-84 on the airfield barracks).

puh the land objects is a terrible theme!! The Japanese Army use very seldom jeeps,trucks or tanks. The only weapon in the island war was the island defence (a gigant fortress system with a large infatry garnision such as iwo joma or okinawa). The anti aircraft was the good old german 88mm flak (that was often in use) and the
20mm Oerlikon machinegun mobile mount. The seaplanes and flying boats are a theme that stand alone!! This aircrafts was the only supply transports for the japanese navy/army and the eyes for the japanese. If i count all this aircrafts and tell you all specifics than i have a wound fingers and a destroyed keyboard :-) This capital is too large!!!!! The communication equiqment is a also a terrible theme :-) the japanes aircrafts wear seldom a wireless radio to heavy and seldom functional (often out of order and nobody can repair it) the shotai leader wear a wireless in his Aircraft to communicate with the base the rest over hand sings!!

So i hope i can help you with this informations if not post it and i will give my best to give you the information that you will :-)

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

aminx
03-04-2004, 09:30 PM
hello,
nice to hear from you.

1)on page 8 you can see the list of jap carriers and ships.a pacific sim without these is not a serious and historical sim.that's why in my first input in my thread to oleg i talk about amphibious objects which he aknowledged.
2)as you know by now the maddox games have a lot of standard ground objects,tents,barrels etc,but we wher looking for more for the japanese side of the sim.i tried to add in your thread 3photo's of my japanese bases in truk and rabaul set up with present material from the last patch of FB but there is problems with the ubi software for placing screen shots.
4)i think if you can give maddox maybe the name and photo's or even tech details sources for the most widely used transport and recon seaplanes that would help a lot.any serious input from serious people can only help a professional and dedicated team.
regards
aminx

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-05-2004, 10:29 AM
Hi Aminx,

to 1) i have see on Page 8 of your posting. Your List of Carriers is incomplete i missed the Japanese Army Aircraft carriers and a lot of Navy Carriers i give you my list:

Japanese Navy Aircraft Carriers:

Akagi
Amagi
Aso
Chitose
Chiyoda
Chuyo
Hiryu
Hiyo
Hosho
Hyuga
Ibuki
Ikoma
Ise
Junyo
Kaga
Kaiyo
Kasagi
Katsuragi
Otakisan Maru
Ryuho
Ryujo
Shimane Maru
Shinano
Shinyo
Shoho
Shokaku
Soryu
Taiho
Taiyo
Unryu
Unyo
Zuiho
Zuikaku

Japanese Army Aircraft Carriers:

Akitsu Maru
Chigusa Maru
Kumano Maru
Nigitsu Maru
Shinshu Maru
Yamashio Maru

to 4) I have Oleg send my email address. Iam waiting for an answer.

here are a list of japanese Seaplanes and flying Boats if any interests for more information please post me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Aichi E13A
Aichi H9A
Aichi E16A Zuiun
Aichi M6A Seiran

Kawanishi E7K
Kawanishi H6K
Kawanishi H8K (the best flying Boat)
Kawanishi E15K Shiun
Kawanishi N1K Kyofu

Mitsubishi F1M

Nakajima A6M2-N

Yokosuka E14Y

And now a list of Transport Aircrafts:

Mitsubishi Ki-57
Mitsubishi L4M
Nakajima G5N Shinzan
Douglas L2D (not a joke !!)
Tachikawa Ki-54
Kawasaki Ki-56
Lockheed 14
Kokusai Ki-59
Mitsubishi Ki-33
Nakajima Ki-34
Nakajima L1N

If you want more informations simply post it. i hope i can answer.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

aminx
03-05-2004, 12:08 PM
good evening captain shogo,
thank you very much for your complete and thourough list of carriers and transport planes.you must get the list to oleg and he will then decide which ones he will decide to include and develope,this is very important for his development of the future pacific sim.it is really a shame that there is no land objects to be researched and developed ,i think it is important that he gets to know this,surely there must have been something or at least a limited list.
it is very interesting to note that even the carriers where divided between army and navy,not many people know that.
regards
aminx

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-06-2004, 04:01 AM
Hi Aminx,

i will email Oleg this and say him taht he look on this Topic frequently! I hope he do it! I will do my best to give you importent informations.

Here are a Diary what i have found in my little libary it reflects the situiaton of the Japanese Army in the end of 1942 (and for you a good information with weapons the japanese have to yor denfence!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

3d Class Pretty Officer Morita, Yokusuka 5th Special Landing Force (Battle of the Milne Bay in August 1942)

30.August. Beginning of the retreat into the Mountains with a grenade splinter throught my right hand. Rotting of the feet makes it difficult to walk...sleeping in the mountains with the rain falling almost incessantly. It is harder to bear than death.

15.September. Our Troops have not arrived for 14 days. I have been waiting patiently, but iam beginning to lose consciousness.
...potatoes...potatoes...my wife...my mother.

22.September. Engaged a large enemy force. Lost all of our weapons and have only the clothes we wear. Nothing to eat.

25.September. I have fever an am nearly unconscious but holding on.

26.September. Our forces haven´t arrived yet. No use waiting...I´m mad.

28.September. I detest rain (this is the last entry.)

This diary was recoverd by australian forces later. I hope you have now a picture of island fighting for the japanese army and his weapons in use http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-06-2004, 04:42 AM
Hi Oleg,

here are same informations about Japanese Aircraft formations and tactics. i hope that will help you for devolop japanese aircrafts.

Japanese communications and Tactics:

The Jap did devolop a significant refinement to the standard vee-formation. The jap three-plane section , the shotai, was much mor flexible than other varieties of the vic. Instead of flying in rigid position, the two wingmen flew much farther back from the leader. While the flight leader held a steady course, looking for the right place to engage, the wingmen weaved right and left and up and down behind him. This gave the formation much better defence from suprise attack because the weaving fighters were able to check blind spots (in greater formations the americans describe this from far as a swarm of bees http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) The tactic was enhanced by the bubble cockpit mounted on both zero and oscar, allowing exellent pilot visibility. When the flight leader engaged, instead of going in simultaneously and firing as one aircraft, the wingman trailed the leader, each attack against an unwary target the impact was devastating. Yet once engaged, or worse yet, if the shotai was the victim of attack, then jap pilots fought individually. The system worked well for serval years. Consequently its flaws were hard to see. Jap fighters, above all, failed to devolop disciplined techniques for deployment at the squadron and group level. If put on the defensive jap proved to be at a serious disadvantage. In 1944, three years after other air forces had done so, the japanese convert to the four plane formation. Howerver, by then the number of good flights leaders was to small, and u.s. machines so superior, that changing tactics did little good.


Jap technicians skilled at repairing radio sets were in short supply. it is common to see photos of zeros flying from rabaul without a radio mast at all. Frequently the shotai leader would have a radio for communication with base. Plane to plane, however, the pilots relied on traditional visual cues. it would have been a rare shotai that would have three waorking radios. u.s. after action reports, even those written early in the war, often noted very poor teamwork on the part of japanese fighters. these reports were unquestionably accurate and often reflected the fact that many jap pilots were using world war 1 communications in 1942 and 1943. poor plane to plane communications undoubtedly hurt imperial forces badly in the long run.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-06-2004, 05:45 AM
Hi Oleg,

I have also found a very interesting source over evaluating the Mitsubishi Zero. Here the content:

P38F Lightning vs. Zero 21
P39D-1 vs. Zero 21
P-51 vs. Zero 21
P40F Warhawk vs.Zero 21
F4F-4 Wildcat vs. Zero 21
F4U-1 Corsair vs. Zero 21


F4U-1D vs. Zero 52
F6F-5 Hellcat vs. Zero 52
FM-2 Wildcat vs. Zero 52

If there are interests than post me than i will write the full text. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

i have also informations about the Rikko (Betty) Bomber from his development to his front line service with all used types. then over the Ki-61,Zero and all the other Jap Fighter and Bombers. Then a lot of informations about the japanese army,japanese navy and the island defence in the south pacific to the home defence of japan mainland. I will help you that you become a right picture over the japanese side in the World War 2 and that you can use the right information for you new game development. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

[This message was edited by Shogo_Takeuchi on Sat March 06 2004 at 05:02 AM.]

aminx
03-06-2004, 09:45 AM
excellent ¤ll this.undoubtedly oleg's team will make good use of all the information and contact you for more.i still think that some list of ground objects must be put together though,it's needed.EG soldier on bycicle,chief of staff in jap car,shore defense pill box etc etc there must be some truck of somekind.
aminx

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ATG_BreN
03-08-2004, 04:07 AM
Nakajima B5N2 -Kate- ?

JG53Frankyboy
03-08-2004, 05:33 AM
two A6M2 bugs in AEP:

1. there was no second loader stage in the Sakae12

2. its 20mm canons have to much ammo , actual 125 rounds like in the Modell 52a, should be 60 in the Reisen Modell 21

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-08-2004, 07:49 AM
Hi Together,

here are the ranks/classes from Jpananese Navy Pilots:

June 1 1941 - October 31 1942

WO Flight Chief Petty Officer (FCPO)

NCO Superior Flight Petty Officer 1st class(FCPO1/c)
Flight Petty Officer 2nd class (FPO2/c)
Flight Petty Officer 3rd class (FPO3/c)

Enlisted

Flyer 1st Class (F 1/C)
Flyer 2nd Class (F 2/C)
Flyer 3rd Class (F 3/C)
Flyer 4th Class (F 4/C)


November 1 1942 - end of war

WO Flight Chief Petty Officer (FCPO)

NCO Superior Flight Petty Officer (SFPO)
Flight Petty Officer 1st class (FPO1/c)
Flight Petty Officer 2nd class (FPO2/c)

Enlisted

Chief Flyer
Superior Flyer
Flyer 1st Class (F 1/c)
Flyer 2nd Class (F 2/c)

And now a little overview about the trainingprogram of a navy flyer (pre flying)

The fist three month of the program concentradet exclusively on military drill and ground combat trainig, aimed at whipping these "soft" civilian boys into shape and given them at least the outward semblance of Imperial Navy bearing.

Corporal punishment was a fact of life in the imperial armed forces, and the naval air service was no exception.

Any infraction of the rules, no matter how slight, or any perceived lack of proper "spirit" brought swift retributionfrom instructor and upper classman alike.

Beatings on the buttocks with baseball bats and fist punches to the face became all too familiar for the new recruits. Following this brutal initiation, the recruits settled into their regular course routine. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-08-2004, 07:52 AM
Hi ATG,

will you have near informations about the Kate? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

and if yes with information will you have? Please descibe your wishes exactly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Kwiatos
03-08-2004, 08:00 AM
How about max dive A6M2 and A6M5? In Fb they have the same max critical dive speed. In RL max dive speed A6M2 was much worse than A6M5. The same with roll rate. And zoom climb - A6M2 have near the same zoom climb like P-40. Something is wrong here.

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-08-2004, 09:00 AM
Hi frankyboy,

here are a list of the machine gun rounds that will clear your question:

from zero model number 12 to 22 the Type 99 machine has 60 rounds.

from model number 22a to 52 it have 100 rounds

from model 52a to 54c it has 125 rounds

you have not right with the engine!! The Model 21 has no High Blower!! The High blower is fitted up to version 22


Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

[This message was edited by Shogo_Takeuchi on Mon March 08 2004 at 08:34 AM.]

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-08-2004, 09:25 AM
Hi Kwiatos,

the Zero model A6M5a has a dive speed of 460 mph. The A6M2 has ca. 250 - 300 mph dive speed.

The A6M2 has a Climpspeed of 3min57sec to 9,843ft and 6min43sec to 16,405ft.

About the rollrate; the A6m2 has the best roll rate from al the zero types. the higher versions has less rollrate.

An exemple: the model 21 has a wing loading from 22lb/sq ft. the model 52 has 24,3lb/sq ft. the model 64 at least has 30.3lb/sq ft.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

ATG_BreN
03-08-2004, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ATG_BreN:
Nakajima B5N2 -Kate- ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> no IL2FB ? ops no info .

[This message was edited by ATG_BreN on Tue March 09 2004 at 05:29 AM.]

Gunner_361st
03-09-2004, 10:13 AM
As modeled in AEP version 2.00, the A6M2 Type 21 has a continuous fire duration of 14-15 seconds with the two Type-99 Type 1 20mm cannon in the wings.

The gun having a rate of fire equal to 8 rounds per second unsynchronized...

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm

this means it has approximately 120 rounds of ammo, which the A6M5a also has.

This is incorrect. The A6M2 Type 21 1940 Zero-sen had 60 rounds per cannon.*

* - World War Two Aircraft, by Christopher Chant.

Probably just an oversight, but noting that here to make sure. I hope Shogo_Takeuchi will read this and be sure to verify. ~S~

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Gunner_361st
03-09-2004, 11:33 AM
LOL, was just reading earlier in this thread and saw Shogo already addressed this issue. Sorry, I did not see it at first, hehe. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Captain Gunner of the 361st vFG

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-10-2004, 07:38 AM
Hi Gunner,

thanks for your post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif and for you verifycation of my postings. I will hope that there no more bugs in the japanese aircrafts (such as high blower model 21 and the dive speed http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif)

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Gunner_361st
03-10-2004, 07:53 AM
Well, looks like in one of the bug threads that Oleg said all be fixed for the patch, which is great news. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I *hopefully* will soon be testing the new beta sound DLL's to see if they fix the time-out problem!

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-10-2004, 08:03 AM
Now i will give some informations about the unit structures from the japanese Army Air Force:

The basic unit was the shotai (Flight or Section) usually of three aircraft. three or four shotai formed a chutai (Squadron or company), two or more chutai forming a sentai. this was the main operating unit, similar to a luftwaffe Gruppe. Three or four shotai (usually of variety aircraft types) were controlled by a hikodan (wing oer brigade). Two-four Hikodan would comprise a Hikoshidan (division), two or three Hikoshidan forming a Kokugun (air force). as started, sentai usually operated as a complete unit, incorperating a headquaters shotai, or chutai. a certain number of independent chutai were employed from time to time, either for operational testing of new aircraft types, or as direct army units.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Skiiwa
03-10-2004, 10:52 AM
These people gonna run ya ragged Shogo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

I love to read this stuff..I dont care what planes they add..My fav already herehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifP 109-g10

Although I wish he would let me fire the guns of the Yamato. Not enough Battleship games. I miss Taskforce 1942 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-11-2004, 07:29 AM
Hi Gunner,

cool that you test the sound dll´s i dont have enought time for a betatest http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-11-2004, 07:36 AM
Hey Skiiwa,

nice that you enjoy the reading of this topic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

My favorite Aircraft are the Ta-152 and the Me-109 K4 for the German side and the Shiden-kai,Ki-43 and Ki-61 for the japanese.

I think your wish will not go to fully http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Taskforce 1942 was a great game even so Aces of the Pacific (ohhh long played nights... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Gunner_361st
03-11-2004, 07:43 AM
Hey gents, the beta sound DLL works great, fixed my online time-out issue. If you guys have any problems with it, I highly recommend picking it up, I think they have a direct download link at netwings.org.

Captain Gunner of the 361st vFG

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-13-2004, 04:49 AM
Hello Together,

today something about the engine designation system by the imperial japanese navy.

The navy use two designation systems. One consisted of a combinaton of three letters and one digit, e.g. NK1C, in witch the first letter indicated the name of the company responsible for the design of the engine (N for Nakajima), the second letter was descriptive of the class of engine (K for air-cooled, D for Diesel, E for liquid-cooled), the digit was a sequence number within any given class of engines (such as 1 for the first air-cooled engine) and the last indicated the versino of the engine (e.g. C for third version of the NK1 series). The second designation system, applying to production engines, consisted of a name followed by a Model number: for example, the NK1C became known as the Sakae 12.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-13-2004, 04:56 AM
And now somthing about the jap. engine production by manufactors 1941-45:

Manufactur Number of Eng. Percentage

Mitsubishi 41,534 35,6
Nakajima 36,440 31,3
Hitachi 13,571 11,6
Kawasaki 10,274 8,8
Ishikawajima 2,286 2,0
Mansyu 2,168 1,9
Aichi 1,783 1,5
Nissan 1,633 1,4
Kokusai 837 0,7
Toyoda 160 0,1

Sub Total 110,686 95,0

Navy Air Arsenals 4,452 3,8
Rikugun 1,439 1,2

Total 116,577 100,0

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-14-2004, 03:01 AM
Hello Together,

today i will describe the IJN torpedo attack and dive bombing methods.

The prescribed method of attack for torpedo bombers, known as kogeki-ki or attack aircraft in IJN terminology, was to apporach the target in a shallow dive and level off for the actual torpedo run at distance of about 3,000m from the target.

The torpedo would be released within 1,000m of the target at a height of about 20m from the surface.

It required a practised eye to determine the proper angle of release based on a quick estimate of the target ship´s course. Following torpedo release, the only available course for the aircraft was to continue toward the target ship at minimum altitude, below the level ot the ship´s deck, and hurdle over the ship at the last minute, skimming over the waves again on the other side. It was inevitable that casualties would be high.

In contrast to attack aircraft, wich were capable of carrying torpedoes as well as bombs but wich lacked dive bombing capability, dive bombers in the IJN were referred to specifically as bakugeki-ki or bomber.

Apporaching the target from higher altitude in a shallow dive, the acutal push over into the dive attack itself would occur at an altitude of 4,500-5,000m wich bomb release and pull-out beginning at about 450m. At a velocity of 300 knots the aircraft would "sink" a further 300-350m following initiation of pull-out, thus allowing full recovery from the dive at an altitude of about 100m.

Veteran crews, however, would sometimes hold their dive until about 300m, confident in their ability to pull out with very little margin to spare. Preferred diving angles in the IJN ranged from about 55 to 60 degrees.

The standard min bomb load for the Type 99 Kanbaku (D3A Val) was the 250kg. This was increased to 500kg for its successor, the Suisei (D4Y Judy).

By the start of the pacific war, torpedo bomber as well as dive bomber crews in the IJN were well practised in coordinating their respective methods of attack against a target ship, not only among the planes from a single carrier, but in conjuction with planes from other carriers in a massed attack. Within thier own respective methods of attack, they were also trained to attack their target simultaneously from different directions.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

aminx
03-14-2004, 05:16 AM
i dont think i would have enlisted into the japanese airforce,no way.first you guys will beat me up because i might make a couple of mistakes then you expect me to release my torpedo at 20 mt hight with the whole US navy blasting away at me,i get no radio equipment and i get almost nothing to eat and i'm expected to survive and fight another day.better find a job with india airways......
aminx

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-14-2004, 08:44 AM
Hi,

now i will give you some information about the heavyest fightermounted maschine gun the

40mm Ho-301 cannon

Installed in the wings of a small number of Nakajima Ki-44-IIc fighters, this weapon was unusual in as much as its ammunition did not use cartrides. Instead, the propelling charge was contained in a cavity in the rear of the projectile. Twelve exhaust ports in the base plate permitted the expanding gases to escape and drive the projectile forward. Overall lenght 58,5 in, weight 291 lb, rate of fire 450 rpm, muzzle velocity 760 ft per sec, effective range 150 m (490 ft).

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-14-2004, 08:50 AM
Hi aminx,

i hope you think on all this when you play as a japanese pilot in il2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

and think on the jap. pilots their lost her life in this nonsence battles without a chance to fight anohter day (the death rate of an fresh recruit on the front was over 90% in 1944) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Nice weekend http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Lt.Davis
03-14-2004, 09:05 AM
Hi Shogo Shan,

After reading all the post, i have to say... thanks for all the info. I, one of the PTO supporter will check all topic about PTO.

Talking about PTO, it's ain't only about aircraft and army that garrisson at jungle or bunker. I have read some book about the battle in pacific, the tactics for ships against tropedo bomber. The shp big gun will not shot at the bomber, but will aim further. They try to smash the water and make it hit the bomber, this will make the bomber lose control and go into sea. (Big work for oleg and team)

Also i've read some of the Japanese pilot not bring their chute (after hellcat come out) they claim that they want to cut the weight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif and most of the pilots (Amerian and Japanese) will take out their radio to cut the weight of their a/c.

Thanks for reading.

Speed is the KEY.

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-14-2004, 09:51 AM
Hi Lt.Davis

i hope i can help with this very little informations for your development. i will give my best to give you more interesting informtions.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-14-2004, 10:02 AM
Now something about the Betty Bomber Crews.

Or better something about the end of them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

There are three ways for the crew:

1. Survive the combat and fight another feared day

2. Burn to death in her "One Shot Lighter"

3. Or Read this little Story

The destroyer USS Bagley (DD-386) draws alongside a tailless Type 1 Betty of 4th Kokutai, discovered floating in the water following the disastrous torpedo attack of 8 August 1942 off Guadalcanal. The Betty crew has survived the ditching and were sitting on the aeroplanes wing when the american destroyer approached. In a defiant gesture oft repeated during the Pacific War, these men fired their pistols at the ship, then turned the guns on themselves, rather than face capture!

The first Rule of a IJN Pilot are : "Live and die as a Samurai! Their is no way to surrender! Victory or Death!"

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-15-2004, 08:41 AM
Today something about the Zero better say her lack of armor and self sealing fuel tanks. Their is one question: Wy did the jap. not use this important parts for your aircrafts?

They give their own direct combat experience in China, from witch they drew the wrong conclusions and gained an arrogant self-confidence! They would not learn from the European Countrys such as Germany that use armor since the Battle of Britain in her Me-109 Emil!

Once the need was identified, however, it took the jap. almost a year to develop and install effective self-sealing fuel tanks in their Aircraft. Pilot armor and bulettproof glass came even later.

It was not until late 1943 that jap. aircraft attained the level of protection enjoy by US aircraft as early as mid 1942.

The next problem was the weakness of the industrial infrastructur that manifested itself in many ways. One was the inability of jap. to produce a high-grade rubber material of consistent quality and in industrial quantities. This was the key reason for the delay in developing selfsealing tanksin Japan!

Another factor, and one of that explains why the jap. took longer than other nations in confrontation the aircraft protection problem , was psychological. Although irrational from the modern perspective the traditional Samurai psyche still permeated much of jap. society in those days, especially within the two services. Part of that tradition maintained that a warrior should always be ready to accept death in a honorable fashion.

Therefore anything that smacked of trying to save one´s skin, such as amor plate, was frowned upon. Another prevalent attitude was that of always demanding the utmost performance from one´s aircraft.

Combat pilots, far from demanding better protection for their aircraft, more often complained that addition of armor and fuel tank self-sealing material would adversely affect aircraft performance.

It was not uncommon for Pilots to leave their parachutes on the ground in order to reduce weight for an added advantage in an air duel. Given their underlying attitudes toward death in combat, they tended to see such protective features as an unnecessary luxury rather than essential protection.

It took wholesale attrition to make them realize that in modern warfare, surviving to fight again another day was ultimately in the better interest of one´s nation other than going out in a blaze of glory!!

The point must be stressed, however, that the lack of Pilot and armor protection was not an oversight by the designers. What was missing from very beginning was a good 1,200hp engine carry the necessary safequards for aircraft and pilot without sacrificing performance. As was the case with Allied planes, more power should have been added over the years as the Zero was improved with its inherent weight penalties.

Horikoshi did extremly well with the limited horsepower thats was available to him fr the Zero!

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Gunner_361st
03-15-2004, 09:21 AM
Excellent and very interesting posts, Shogo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

S~

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Diablo310th
03-16-2004, 07:27 AM
super posts and information Shogo. This is all very much appreciated. A little side note too for everyone to take notice of. Shog refers to Japanese in abbreviation by putting a period after jap. I clearly understood what he was saying without it apprearing derogatory. ~S~ from the 310th Shogo. I would love to meet you in the skies over the Pacific in Hyper one night.

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-16-2004, 09:02 AM
To Diablo and Gunner,

very nice that you enjoy the reading of this Topic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

I post the Topics Themes random and i hope that their is somthing helpfull and intersting for the peoples that reading all this.

To Diablo: Hey you understand what i mean http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

But sorry Diablo i can not fullfill you wish my days of Flight where over! I have flight a Ki-61 III Online in Combat Flight Simulator 2 days over msn gaming zone (for a very long time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif )

I have ended this with a shootdown of myself by a unknown Corsair Pilot in a nonesence battle i was alone and their was ten; no chance for me i died on this day with my aircraft!

Now i have a three month young dauther a Girlfriend and a long hard workday. No chance for Computer Games! Sorry Diablo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-16-2004, 09:20 AM
All the times i tell you something about the jap. Pilots and her live and her deaths in combat, but i never telled you a special exemple of a Pilot!

Now i will tell you about the famous Mustang jump of Sadaaki Akamatsu:

Born in Kochi Prefecture in July 1910 as the son of a weatherman, Akamatsu will became a rare first combat pilot to suvive the war. In many combats his aircraft was badly hit but he was never wounded!

His almost famous was the Mustang attack on 29 May 1945. On this day the "old man" of the Atsugi Air Corps single-handedly attacked 75 Mustangs in a Zero and shot down two of them and escaped! A American Pilot who was one of the Mustang Pilots says later: "If he had been an American he would have been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor".

Sadaaki survive the war with 30+ Victorys.

The postwar years proved difficult for the alcoholic ex-fighter pilot. His old comrades took up a collection and presented him with a small piper,wich he flew as a fish search pilot for the Kochi Fishery Association until he eventually sold it to keep himself in drink.

Ruined in health by his alcoholism an ostracised by his friends and former comrades, he ran a small cafe in Kochi City until he died on 22 February 1980 of pneumonia, as a broken and dejected man.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-16-2004, 09:39 AM
Now i will give you a rare topic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif i hope you are interested in?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif The Translations of all the Aircraft engine names.

Amakaze (Heavently Wind)
Atsuta (A Holy Shrine in Aichi Prefecture)
Hatakaze (Breeze)
Hatsukaze (Fresh Wind)
Hikari (Splendour)
Homare (Honour)
Jimpu (Encampment Wind)
Kamikaze (Divine Wind)
Kasai (Mars)
Kinsei (Golden Star)
Kotobuki (Congratulation)
Mamoru (Protector)
Sakae (Prosperity)
Tempu (Heavently Father)
Zuisei (Holy Star)

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Gunner_361st
03-16-2004, 09:47 AM
75 to 1. In a Zero. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

You could say he was Brave, you could say he was crazy, but one thing you can certainly say is he was lucky! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Do you know how he got away, Shogo? I would guess he found a big bank of clouds and the Mustangs had to stick to their mission to accomplish. I'd like to know though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Captain Gunner of the 361st vFG

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Diablo310th
03-16-2004, 11:52 AM
Shogo...no problem. I completely understand. Both my kids r grown and now i ahve 2 grandkids. Best of luck to u tho and I look forward to reading more from you.

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Keravnos
03-17-2004, 02:22 AM
&lt;S&gt; To Shogo,

Having been an AA sarge myself, once, I can understand first hand the need for aircraft protection.

Fighting against the odds the Japanese faced, (more and better counterparts, especially in the end), well, they did surprisingly well.

Keep giving us more information, I am sure the devs will appreciate this. Especially the modus operandi of the Torpedo planes and Bomber planes.

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 08:02 AM
Hi Gunner,

you have right. He escaped in a big cloud formation and the Mustangs give up to search him.

He has very very very luck!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 08:06 AM
Hi keravnos,

i hope Oleg´s Team will require this informations. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

[This message was edited by Shogo_Takeuchi on Wed March 17 2004 at 07:33 AM.]

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 08:12 AM
To Diablo,

hey thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

please let the jap. Pilots Online live http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 08:32 AM
Okay today something about jap. Pilot Equipment.

For exeample Electrically heated gloves.

During the early part of 1942, the Mitsubishi Manufacturing Co. produced electrically heated gloves that were designed and designated for use by flight personnel of high-altitude bombers.

The gloves consisted of a cotton-silk or wool gabardine (with a wool elastic wristband) material filled with small wire filaments that joined to a black wire cable attached to leather wrapped double male snaps.

The double male snaps plugged into a elecrically heated undergarment flight suit that could also accommodate electrically heated booties, flight helmet, and goggles.

A master electrical plug attached to the flight suit to a panel socket in the aircraft. Although the concept was good, naval flight personnal complained that the electricaly heated garments became to hot in some areas of the clothing or, in other cases, did not function properly due broken wires.

I know that is a very special information but i think its a nice detail to know.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

BBB_Hyperion
03-17-2004, 09:02 AM
Great Posts Shogo Takeuchi http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

Have you any details about Japanese Carrier Landing Routines ?

Deck Operation, prepare for Landing , how the landing Planes circle etc.

Another question is how did the Flightgroups interact when in the air ? The Handsign method would include that the Fighters always stay close to the Bombers.

Regards,
Hyperion

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 10:20 AM
A hot day over Rabaul.

On November 1 1943 170 kansen (carrier fighters),kanbaku (carrier bombers),kanko (carrier attack aircrafts) and kantei (carrier reconnaissance planes) from the 1st Koku Sentai composed of the aircraft carriers Shokaku, Zuikaku and Zuhio, flew into airfields at Rabaul and Kavieng, New Ireland, for a round of strikes on Allied aircraft and shipping in the region.

Early in the morning of the 2nd, a large part of this force sortied against American warships and transports around Bougainville, but upon returning to Rabaul, these airmen were still spoilling for a fight.

While rearming and refueling for another mission, the Rabaul area recieved a sudden low-level attack by over 150 B-25s and P-38s of the fifth Air Force flying from New Guinea bases.

The Jap. detected the fast approaching American planes at the last minute, and a wild scramble followed as the Rei-sen took off to intercept. In total 115 fightersgave the men of the fifth Air Force an unexpectedly hot reception on that date.

The jap. shot down nine B-25s and ten P-38s although lost 18 of their own number in action.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-17-2004, 10:27 AM
Hi Hyperion,

about the carrier landing routines and circeling and so on i dont have informations. only the training for the carrierlanding i knew (carrierqualification). I also have informations about the daily life on carriers. If you have interests on this post me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

The Flight Groups interact over sighting if one of the Planes sighted the enemy it engaged him the other see that andn go on attack and follow

Seldom use radio to interact all over sighting. That was one of the big jap. mistakes of the war no teamwork and no communications!!

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-19-2004, 11:36 AM
Today something about the Ki-84 better say about the armament and the top speed problem.

The Armament:

Two fuselage-mounted 12,7 mm Type 1 (Ho-103) machine-guns and two wing-mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon (Ki-84 Prototypes and Service trials aircraft, Ki-84-Ia and Ki-116)

Two fuselage-mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon and two wing-mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon (Ki-84-Ib, Ki-106 and Ki-113)

Two fuselage-mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon and two wing-mounted 30 mm Ho-105 cannon (Ki-84-Ic)


To the Top speed problem:

Long time it make a round in this Forum how is the Top speed from a Ki-84?

The regular Top speed is 392 mph at 20,080 ft

BUT!

In the spring of 1946 the Middletown Air Depot, Pennsylvania tested a captured and restored Ki-84 and the performance was truly spectacular:

at a weight of 7,490 lb, considered representative of combat operations, the aircraft reached a speed of 427 mph at 20,000 ft using War Emergency Power.

The speed exceeded that of the North American P-51 D-25-NA Mustang and Republic P-47 D-35-RA Thunderbolt at the same altitude by 3 mph and 22 mph respectively!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-19-2004, 01:09 PM
Daily Life on an IJN Aircraft Carrier

Posting to an operational aircraft carrier of the IJN was a culture shock to many newly fledged airmen. They had endured the iron discipline and brutal beatings of their cadet years and continued to persevere under fairly strict regimentation during flight training.

They were now ready to take on what they felt must surely be the even greater challenges of life in a combat unit. Imagine their surprise, therefore, to find the atmosphere quite relaxed.In some outfits the discipline was positively lax.

It was sometime before they came to realize that their superiors would not berate them for every little infraction of the rules and they cautiously began to let down their guard.

Many now began to sport silk scarves under their flight suits, an indulgence in fashion not allowed them during flight trainig and extendet education. As newly promoted petty officers, there were now hardly any situations in with they would be subject to disciplinary beatings.

The training schedule in a combat unit, however, was grueling Weather permitting, weekday mornings and afternoons were spent constantly in the air, honing air combat skills, bombing accuracy, gunnery, formation flying, and navigation.

Prowess in night action was a hallowed tradition in the IJN, and as an extnesion of the fleet the IJN air service began to train regulary in noctural operations by latter half of the 1930s.

Consequently evenings were often spent in the air, practising attack and landing procedures into late hours.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai

Snoop_Baron
03-19-2004, 02:55 PM
Just finished reading the entire thread Shogo. Thanks for providing us with so much information it makes for a great read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif! I really feel sorry for those poor young men they really had to endure a lot for such a poor cause.

s!
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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-22-2004, 08:49 AM
Hi Together,

the weekend i have spend many time by testing the new AEP for Il2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Great work!


Okay Today i will write you some about the Japanese Army Situation in the Manchuria 1945 in face of the Soviet Invasion!

The Army based in the Manchuria was called The Kwangtung Army.

The Kwangtung Army which faced the Soviet invasion of Manchukuo (the Japanese name of the Manchuria) in August 1945 was a shadow of tis former self.

Most of its better units and heavy equipment had been moved to the Pacific theatre. From February 1944 the Kwangtung Army had seen 12 of tis divisions transferred, including its 2nd Armd Div wich was send to the Philippines. Two other divisions were transfered to Formosa and Central China respectively.

At the same time most of the Kwangtung Army´s Airpower (Ki-84) was transferred to the Philippines. On paper the Kwangtung Army was still fairly impressive, with over 700,000 men on strength, but any closer examination revealed its many weaknesses. Reinforcements for this theatre were made up of relatively elderly or physically sub-standard men previously deemed unsuitable for military service.

Others came from civil service, or were young students, or older colonists who had settled in Manchukuo after their previous military service. One telling statistic was the fact that 25% of the men who faced the Soviet invasion had been conscripted the previous ten days!

These Units, full of poor human material ant with little equipment, were of no real combat value and would only be able to offer token resitance. Out of a paper force of 24 Divisions the actual strength of the Kwangtung Army in August 1945 was equivalent to about eight divisions.

Morale was at an all-time low; the new recruits called themselves nikudan - Human Bullets -; gisei-butai - victim units -; Manchurian orphans, and the pulverised ones.



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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-26-2004, 08:45 AM
Hi All,

today something about an earthquake and other problems http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In early December 1944, with the war was nearing the critical stage, reeled from the shock of a serve earthquake (Tokai district earthquake) with rocked the city of Nagoya and its southeast suburbs.

The earthquake was only the beginn of a series of incredible misfortunes to befall the aircraft industry. The Nagoya Aircraft Works of the Mitsubishi company, a giant airframe production center, was built over a weak ground foundation of reclaimed land east of Nagoya Harbor.

The Quake so serverly jolted the factory that gaping cracks and strains developed in the concrete floors. Every assembly jig was thrown out of line, and serval of the important shop buildings on seperate ground collapsed. Thus in a single blow the production of both Mitsubishi´s and Aichi´s giant planes ground to a halt.

Both companies made frantic efforts to readjust the assembly jigs, working day and night to complete the job so that production could resume. Even as the plants returned slowly to normal operations, on December 13, 1944, B-29 bombers from Mariana Island bases ripped the Mitsubishi Engine Works at Daikocho, Nagoya, and, five days later, hurled their highexplosive and incendiary bombs at the Aircraft Works at Ohe-machi, Nagoya. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

That was the beginn of the end for the Japanese Aircraft Production. So the best jap. Fighters such as the Shiden-kai or the Ki-100 only came in to small numbers to the frontline.

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

chris455
03-26-2004, 08:56 AM
Capt Takeuchi,
Are you in contact with the person named Luthier?
He is the one who is developing the Pacific add-on for FB.
I think the community would benefit greatly if Luthier had access to your considerable knowledge of the Japanese aspect of the war in the Pacific. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
S!

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-26-2004, 09:07 AM
Now something about the Armament of the Kawanishi Shiden (-kai). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Two fuseleage-mounted 7.7 mm Type 97 machine-guns and two 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon in wing gondolas (N1K1-J Prototype)

Two fuselage-mounted 7.7 mm Type 97 machine-guns, two wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon and two 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon in wing gondolas (N1K1-J)

Four wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon (N1K1-Ja, N1K1-Jb, N1K1-Jc, N1K2-J, N1K2-Ja and N1K2-K).

Two fuselage-mounted 13.2 mm type 3 machine-guns and four wing-mounted 20 mm Type 99 Model 2 cannon (N1K3-J, N1K3-A, N1K4-J, N1K4-A and N1K5-J).

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-26-2004, 09:45 AM
And now something about Japans first Fighter who was designed to intercept the B-29. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

The Tachikawa Ki-94 II.

Description:

Single-engined hight-altitude fighter. All-metal constuction.

Accommodation:

Pilot in pressurized Cockpit.

Powerplant:

One 2,400 hp Nakajima (Ha-44) 12 eight-cylinder air cooled radial, rated at 2,450 hp for take-off, 2,350 hp at 3,610 ft, 2,200 hp at 14,435 ft and 2,040 hp at 36,090 ft, driving a constant-speed six-blade metal propeller.

Armament:

Two wing-mounted 30 mm Ho-105 cannon and two wing-mounted 20 mm Ho-5 cannon

External load:

one 500kg bomb

Dimensions:

Span 14 m; length 12 m; heigth 4,65 m; wing area 28 sq m

Weights:

Empty 4,690 kg: loaded 6,450 kg; wing loading 230,4 kg/sq m; power loading 2,6 kg/hp

Performance:

Maximum speed 712 km/h at 12,000 m (442 mph at 39,370 ft); crusing speed 273 mph at 29,530 ft; climp to 32,810 ft (10,000 m) in 17 min 38 sec; service ceiling 48,170 ft (14,680 m); range 1,305 miles (2,100 km).

A Japanese Pilot looks very very little in this Aircraft http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

VMF513_Sandman
03-27-2004, 11:51 AM
having a pacific add-on would be nice...historical re-creation of the famous battles from midway to wake complete with carriers. but as it stands now, jap birds are completely overmodeled while the americans are severely undermodeled. sounds like u have all ur ducks in a row shogo. mebby oleg will finally do justice to the american planes. zekes were rice paper on bamboo poles, but in the hands of a compentant pilot, it was a very lethal adversary.
since u know about the zero's, maybe u can finally get it thru oleg's head that the zero was built to get opponents into a slow speed turning knife fight...not the 4,000 foot supersonic climbs like their currently modeled, nor were any of the zero's that fought in the pacific were able to outrun any of the american fighters.....wildcat excluded.
a6m5 zeke that's currently modeled will outrun a p-38, stay with a p-51, and almost outclimb a k-4. add also the fact that the ki-84c as currently modeled is the equivalent of a king tiger tank with wings with the speed of a mig-15 jet. since when was any japanese aircraft able to outrun the p-38....saburo sakai said the p-38 destroyed the morale of the japanese pilots......1 pilot, 2 planes was what the forktail was called. and oleg has the 38 modeled so poor in speed, manuverability, and firepower, it's about as useful as taking a stuka into a sky full of p-40's.
fly any american plane and compare it with actual spec's that's listed in the army/marine corps manuals.........oleg has the american planes more mediocre than they were in cfs2. and he refuses to listen to any of them. but if 1 of the russian or luftwaffle pilots complains about something, it's fixed in the next patch. our planes are as mediocre in aep as they were in version 1.0. the most famous warbird's gutted like they were bi-planes.

oleg has ur a6m5 overmodeled....u can dive in this plane and catch a p-51....and we both know that the zero's couldnt catch american planes in the dives. turn fights on the other hand, the zeke was built for it and was highly manuverable. but the american plane's speed at its turn rate, the zeke had a very hard time. ur 20mm cannon will take wings off with 1-3 hits....it takes 3x's that much to even cripple a plane with the 20mm cannon of the 38.

Januss
03-27-2004, 01:19 PM
[QUOTE][To the Top speed problem:

Long time it make a round in this Forum how is the Top speed from a Ki-84?

The regular Top speed is 392 mph at 20,080 ft

BUT!

In the spring of 1946 the Middletown Air Depot, Pennsylvania tested a captured and restored Ki-84 and the performance was truly spectacular:

at a weight of 7,490 lb, considered representative of combat operations, the aircraft reached a speed of 427 mph at 20,000 ft using War Emergency Power.

The speed exceeded that of the North American P-51 D-25-NA Mustang and Republic P-47 D-35-RA Thunderbolt at the same altitude by 3 mph and 22 mph respectively/I]

Yes true Shogo , but it is because the USAAF tested the Ki-84 with Real fuel , the Japanese were using "erzats fuel", that's why the performances were so different
regards,

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-28-2004, 01:35 AM
Hi Sandman,

i must say you have absolutly right! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I have mailed the Problem to Oleg´s Team and they will fix it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif But thing again what Saburo and others say to the P-38: A P-38 in lower altitude was an easy prey! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif they often shot down by Ki-43 fighter from the 64th Sentai in low altitude fights!

Please watch out for more such problems then i know only the Japanese Aircraft very good but on the American side i am not so.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-28-2004, 02:06 AM
How was the Situation on Japan in August 1945?

Here are a little Story:

By August of 1945 the Pacific Ocean and the waters surrounding the four main Japanese islands had became an "American Lake".

Enemy Warships in powerful task forces roamed along the coast, safe from attack, hurling thousands of shells into anything with moved a shore, or into any buildings or other structures they deemend worth-while targets.

Enemy Planes flew literally thousands of sorties over every square foot of the mainland. Western Japan fell under the control of enemy planes based on Okinawa. Eastern Japan reeled under the hammering strikes of the B-29s and P-51s from Saipan and Iwo Jima.

The Americans ruled the Sea and the air surounding and over the entrie country. We were denied freedom of movement even in the interior, for the searching planes shot up trains, small boats, cars, trucks, communication facilities-anything and everything.

The Army and Navy kept its planes on the ground, hidden beneath camouflage, in underground hangars, and scattered to dispersal areas as far five miles from the airfields.

We hoarded this last air fleet of 5,130 combat planes, in addition to serval thousands trainers, which we would hurl against the invasions fleet which even then was assembling for the attack against Kyushu.

These consisted of twenty-five hundred Army planes, of which sixteen hundred were Kamikazes, and twenty-six hundred and thirty Navy Planes, including fourteen hundred suicide fighters and bombers. When the attack came we could throw in every airplane in Japan which could fly and carry bombs, including the slow and flimsy trainers.

It was clear to everyone that Japan could not avoid overhelming defeat..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

VMF513_Sandman
03-28-2004, 11:09 AM
ur best plane on the onset of ww2 shogo was the a6m2. our pilots that tried to turn with it got an extremely rude awakening; our wildcat was underpowered in comparison to the m2 with the weight of the 'cat's armor. all it could do was outdive it. it couldnt outrun it in the straights or outclimb it.
the a6's high wing loading gave it superior climb rate. and he who controls the altitude controls the fight. the zero that's above the opponent will surely win...especially when the other side trys to do a suicidal turn.
a6m2's main problem was its dive rate..high wing loading was the cause; it was designed to have superior climb ability. the a6m5 with the thicker wing improved the dive over the a6m2, and it did have more speed and weapons, but they still couldnt outrun the later american ships....the corsair and hellcat.
i think if the zero's had american style combat tactics, the outcome of the pacific would have been alot different. the jap. had turn rate in spades. we just had the speed and higher ceiling capability that the jap. at the time didnt have.
i did read that after ww2, saburo sakai was able to fly a p-51, and he was impressed with it. it would do what the zero would do and what the zero couldnt do...as a whole, he would have prefered the p-51 if he had that option. with 70+ victories, obviously saburo knew how to get the most out of his a6m2.
i have noticed that the a6m2/5 does have an outstanding turn rate...when flown at the zero's optimal speed. i've seen those fly it at 400+ and try to turn..the plane does it reluctantly. but that ki-84 rocket plane will turn even at high speed. that it shouldnt.

03-28-2004, 02:39 PM
Very Interesting Thread Shogo.
One is always left wondering, about weather a successful Invasion of Japan could have taken place.
The Atom bomb only ended the War because the Emporer intervened and ordered its end.
The Japanese War Lords where going to continue to fight no matter how many A Bombs where dropped.
I think the Emporer acted responsibly by ending the suffering of the civilian population that also would have joined the fight against an Invasion force of the home land, and Japan has never been succesfully invaded, probably for that reason.

S!

chris455
03-29-2004, 11:41 AM
This is what I was able to find in the "Combat Chronology of the Army Air Forces" regarding this interesting post by Cpt. Takeuchi:

"SOUTHWEST PACIFIC THEATER OF OPERATIONS (Fifth Air Force): In direct support
of Allied landings on Bougainville Island in the Solomon Islands, 75 B-25's,
with an escort of 70 P-38's, attack Rabaul airfields and harbor on New Britain
Island; 3 destroyers and 8 merchant vessels are sunk or left sinking; the
B-25's and P-38's claim 12 aircraft destroyed on the ground and 68 shot down;
AA and air opposition is the strongest thus far encountered by the Fifth Air
Force; 21 US airplanes are lost. In New Guinea, P-39's pound a road in the
Bogadjim area and A-20's bomb and strafe communication routes near
Fortification Point.
The 418th Night Fighter Squadron, AAF School of Applied Tactics, arrives at
Milne Bay, New Guinea from the U.S. with P-38's and P-70's."

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shogo_Takeuchi:
A hot day over Rabaul.

On November 1 1943 170 kansen (carrier fighters),kanbaku (carrier bombers),kanko (carrier attack aircrafts) and kantei (carrier reconnaissance planes) from the 1st Koku Sentai composed of the aircraft carriers Shokaku, Zuikaku and Zuhio, flew into airfields at Rabaul and Kavieng, New Ireland, for a round of strikes on Allied aircraft and shipping in the region.

Early in the morning of the 2nd, a large part of this force sortied against American warships and transports around Bougainville, but upon returning to Rabaul, these airmen were still spoilling for a fight.

While rearming and refueling for another mission, the Rabaul area recieved a sudden low-level attack by over 150 B-25s and P-38s of the fifth Air Force flying from New Guinea bases.

The Jap. detected the fast approaching American planes at the last minute, and a wild scramble followed as the Rei-sen took off to intercept. In total 115 fightersgave the men of the fifth Air Force an unexpectedly hot reception on that date.

The jap. shot down nine B-25s and ten P-38s although lost 18 of their own number in action.

Capt. Shogo Takeuchi

2nd Chutai Leader; 68th Hiko Sentai
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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-30-2004, 06:53 AM
Hi Sandman,

i think the Zero was not the best Japanese Aircraft in the War!

You have overseen one fact all China Veteran Pilots are flying the Zero in the first War Year against the Americans.

But after the terrible defeat at Midway many of this Veteran are KIA or where send back to Japan to became instructors for the new Pilots.

But the new Pilots are cannonfood in his Zero there is no Armor alowing none mistake by the Pilot only Victory or Death. The new Pilots are unfamiliar with the Zero lightweight they need Protection and not other!!!!

I think the best Navy Fighter was the Shiden-kai and the best Army Fighter was the Ki-100. In this Aircraft survive many jap Pilots the War!! And this Aircrafts was able to face EVERY American Plane! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif And this Planes are full with Protection but it was to late for Japan. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-30-2004, 07:32 AM
Here are a Story to the Situation on 1945 in the Japanese Army Air Force with a view on the Ki-100 (Type 5).


...Skilled Type 5 fighter pilots were found of the aircraft, while the younger pilots were thankful they had an aircraft they could manage so well. In spite of this, the "green" pilots were shot down almost as soon as they entered combat.

Lack of skills and the tendency to stray from formation in combat cost their numbers dearly. Of the 150 or so Type 5 fighters assigned to the 111th Regiment, almost half were uselessly lost due to the inexperience of their pilots.

The most experienced and quick-to-learn pilots did far better, for in their hands the Typ 5 had the edge on the F6F Hellcat and was even match for the P-51D Mustang. Top fighter pilots had been pulled back from throughout the Empire to fly the Ki-100 and help in the defence of the Home Islands.

Capt.Hidea Inayama, a Ki-44 Shoki pilot who had flown in the defence of Palembang in the occupied Dutch East Indies, now flew the Ki-100 and became a Company Commander in the 111th Regiment. He ended the war with 22 kills.

Capt.Akira Onozaki, flying the Ki-100 as a Company Commander in the 59th Regiment, ran up a tally 28 kills starting in New Guinea with the Ki-61, adding to his total over Japan before the war ended. The pilots of the 111th Regiment learned to approach the B-29s at hight altitudes one at a time in head-on attacks.

The skilled pilots altered their course just before they came in on the final assault. Unsure pilots held their course steady as they attacked , and died as a result when the guns of the Bomber calculated the approach and hit home.

In fighter to fighter combat the advantage lay with the strong and skilled. On one crunching melee on the 18 july 1945 a total of 25 Ki-100 fighters of the 111th tangled with a greater number of American Mustangs over Osaka. Although a number of the P-51D´s were downed, only four of the japanese fighters returned to their base south of Osaka, with Capt.Inayama among them.

While a few others survived by parachute, most of the pilots had been killed. In antoher engagement over Okinawa, as reported by Radio Tokyo, a formation of eight Ki-100 fighters shot down 22 Hellcats out of a large group without loss to themselves, although this report has the ring of wartime propaganda to it. Whatever the results, the Type 5 fighter performed well enough in the spring and summer of 1945 to receive an equipment citation from the JAAF for outstanding performance in combat... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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buz13
03-30-2004, 07:43 AM
Hopefully in the upcoming Pacific addon we will not see 10 versions of the zero but rather a variety of aircraft that actually flew in that theatre.....with mult engine bombers.

JG53Frankyboy
03-30-2004, 07:52 AM
well, watch the banner above http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

as Zeros, nice would be:

A6M2 Modell21 (like now)
A6M3Modell32 ( the "Hamp" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
A6M5 Modell 52a (like now)
Modell 52c (armour , 3 13mm MGs)

would say 4 , actually only 2 new, would be ok http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-30-2004, 08:30 AM
Here are a document about Japans first combat with the Zero:

Letter of Appreciation

To: Mr. Koshiro Shiba, Chairman
Board of Directors
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Company, LTD.


The Recent outstanding success of the 12th Air Corps Zero Fighter Squadron in Attacking and destroying twenty-seven chinese fighters over Chungking on September 13, 1940, without loss to our Airplanes, is due in great part to the exellent performance of the Zero fighter Airplane.

I hereby express my sincere gratutude, and the gratutude of the Navy, for the outstanding and meritorious work of your company in completing within a short development time this excellent fighter.


September 14, 1940

Teijiro Toyota
Vice-Admiral
Chief, navy Bureau of Aeronautics

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Shogo_Takeuchi
03-30-2004, 08:41 AM
And now something about the Japanese Flight Computers in the Pacific:

Pilots and flight navigation personnel used the flight computer to plot routes to and from their destinations.

The flight computer itself was basically a circular slide-rule and a wind direction tool that would aid in calculating any of the following (and more):

* Time, speed and distance
* True airspeed
* Pressure altitude
* Density altitude
* Rate of fuel consumption and endurance
* True temperature

Japanese Navy pilots and navigators had to be proficient at using flight computers because most of their sorties were flown over large expanses of water. While Japanese Army pilots were also trained in the use of these devices, they navigated primarily by using charts, and observing prominent landmarks (pilotage).

Navy personal used the following types of navigational devices:

* Type 4 Model navigational computer (strapped to the thigh)

* Type 2 Model (hand-held "paddle" style)

* Dive Bomber computer (also strapped to the thigh)

* Plotting board

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LimaZulu
03-30-2004, 07:07 PM
Shogo_Takeuchi

It appears that we have common interests, oh and your English is very good! (perhaps better than many who it is their native language!) I can not figure out how to send a private message but I would like to ask some questions directly, would you email me at: david@redgypsy.com?

LZ

Shogo_Takeuchi
03-31-2004, 08:40 AM
Today something about the first combat of the Mitsubishi Type 1 Rikko "Betty".

On 2 Dezember 1941 (just five days prior to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the invasion of South-east Asia) the Royal Navy´s Force Z arrived in Singapore, Britain´s bastion in the Far East.

Commanded by Rear Adm Sir Tom Phillips, and centred around one of the Royal Navy´s newest battleships in HMS Prince of Wales, as well as the old, but combat-seasoned, battlecruiser HMS Repulse, Force Z represented the most formidable naval obstacle facing Japan´s plans for the invasion of Malaya and the capture of Singapore.

Between them, these two warships outgunned Japanese surface units committed to the Malayan operation. Force Z had to stopped at all cost, for if it got within range of the lightly protected invasion convoy then untold damages could be inflicted.

Near midday on 10 December 1941, Type 96 (G3M2 "Nell") and Type 1 (G4M1 "Betty") Land-based Attack Aircraft of the Imperial Navy´s 22nd Koku Sentai operating at extreme range from their bases near Saigon, in French Indochina (today Vietnam), caught the two british capital ships off Kuantan, on the east coast of Malaya.

When 26 Type 1s of the Kanoya Kokutai arrived on the scene at around 1220, the ships had already survived the attention of 32 of the older Type 96 aircraft from the Genzan and Mihoro Kokutais. Both vessels had sustained some damage from the "Nells", Prince of Wales in particular having lost his ability to steer, but neither warship was in any immediate danger of sinking.

Indeed, the battlecruiser Repulse was still very much in full fighting trim, the vessel´s armoured decks easily withstanding a single superficial bomb hit, and all 15 Torpedoes so far fired at it having been successfully avoided.

The fate of both capital ships now rested in the hands of the new Type 1s of the Kanoya Kokutai. Unable to steer, Prince of Wales was quickly struck by four torpedoes from the Kanoya´s 1st and 2nd Chutais and sank about an hour later. By then a single torpedo had also finally struck Repulse, although the "old warrior" was still in good working order. The 3rd Chutai now concentrated on the stubborn battlecruiser......

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Lt.Davis
03-31-2004, 08:56 AM
And the Japanese AF send bombers to bomb Australia from Batam, an island of Indonesia near Singapore.

Speed is the KEY.

Capt._Tenneal
03-31-2004, 11:05 AM
Shogo, check out the new forum : http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=frm&s=400102&f=26310365

Hope we'll see you there.

xolox
03-31-2004, 11:53 AM
Zero's 20mm is too weak in AEP!!
It does'nt have enough effect even hit within 100m.
And FM sucks bull**** !!
Oleg,you changed zero too much badly.
It almost non-sense.

NegativeGee
04-01-2004, 05:01 AM
Great posts, Shogo_Takeuchi, I really enjoyed reading them!

As you are obviously well read, I was wondering if you had any interesting information or stories about the Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki?

Cheers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

Shogo_Takeuchi
04-01-2004, 06:30 AM
Hi Peoples,

with starting the new Forum, Pacific Fighters, this Topic is ended by me.

I will stop the posting on it now ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Thank you for reading my Topics.

If dont make any posts in the new Pacific Fighters Forum. There are enought People they know the Japanese Fighters better then i!

Iam now superfluous! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Saionara and have a lot of fun with the new coming Pacific Game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

aminx
04-02-2004, 02:48 PM
att capt ,
please contact immediately luthier1 over at the pacific forum,look for his thread asking for japanese speaking person to help in the sim development.and why arent you there anyway???
bye
aminx

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Shogo_Takeuchi
04-03-2004, 04:50 AM
Okay last Post for me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Iam work since more then one month with Oleg and Luthier and his team.

I would it make not public! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

My infromations on this topic was for third party developer (who designed Missions, Campaigns or Aircrafts) and for every they intersted in Japanese Airmens and Aircrafts. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Okay that was really my last post on this Forum.

Hey aminx do you know that your Zero is from the 653 Fighter Squadron on October 1944 and the number 15 on the tail says me that he indicates the Chiyoda unit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Okay thats all

Saionara

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-27-2004, 03:51 PM
Hello together!

Today i write about the Ki-44 Shoki vs. B-29 Superfortress.

A normaly Day in September 1944. The 468th Very Heavy Bomber Command starting to Attack various Targets in the Anshan Complex (Manchukuo).

83 Superfortress are in this Raid. Now over Manchukuo there are Ki-44 Shohi fighters waiting for the B-29. The Shokis knifing the B-29 formations in pairs. Remaining tight, and bring as many guns to bear on every enemy fighter apporach, the B-29 droned on.

Unable to stay at the altitude of the Bombers, the Shokis had to content themselves with single passes in with every moment counted.

Coming in head-on, they could barley line up for a shot before the collective guns of the Bomber formations were blasting their way.

Coming up from below, the Shokis found themselves facing an impassable wall of fire. The few Shoki pilots courageously attempting interception from the rear were faced with sudden death.

And when a Shoki pilot found himself still alive and intact after a head-on run, he faced a piloting crisis that had never been in his training.

The mighty Bomber was so big, its created its own air currents. Encased in a monig boundary layer of clinging air, the B-29 sucked the surviving Shoki fighter into its vortex if the pilot didn´t immediately dive as he approached the bomber´s nose.

Discovering the air current effect for the firs time. many Shoki pilots completely lost control as their fighters were manhandled by air.

Unable to maneuver once caught, the unlucky Shokis were thrown to the rear of the Bomber right in range of the tail gunner...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-27-2004, 04:13 PM
Now something about the Ki-84; better say its big problem!! The Ha-45 Engine.

The most critical problem facing the Hayate was the total unreliability of its powerplant.

Low oil pressures and high operating temperatures continually caused trouble. The greatest fear of a Hayate pilot was engine overheating. One moment things would be humming, and then suddenly the oil temperatue would go up 85 Celcius as the oil cooler would stop functioning.

In five or ten minutes you could see the trouble as a thin stream of black smoke came out of the exhaust. As the Ha-45 heated up the smoke would turn to white, and then thick and black as the engine froze.

The sequence took ten or fifteen minutes, and chances were that the pilot was too far away from his base to make it back. It was just like getting shot down, and there wasn´t a thing that could be done about it.

In combat, if a Hayate was flown upside down, the oil pressure dropped to zero and the engine was sure to freeze. The whole problem was still under investigation at the 1st Technical Laboratory at Tachikawa when the war ended http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Fuel pressure drops were also a problem. Later production models mounted the improved Ha.45/21 a model that offerd slight improvement.

It wasn´t until the Ha.45/23 was aviable, with its lowpressure fuel injection system, that the problem was patially solved.

Just the new engine began to reach the Hayate production line, its own production was all but stopped by an American B-29 attack... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-27-2004, 04:42 PM
Here a little Story that i found. The Story describe the british situation in January 1942.

The brave british pilots would attack an japanese militay convoy with old Vildebeest and Hudson bombers. Here are the report from a Hudson bomber crewmember as the bomber formation cames under attack from 50 (!) Zeros:

" With the first burst he killed my wireless operator, who was on one of the side guns, and also killed my second pilot who was sitting alongside me.

My second pilot was killed by a bullet through the head, which afterwards struck me on the shoulder, knocking me over the controls, and lodging underneath my badges of rank on my shirt.

The bullet when it struck was apparently almost spent. "

But the japanese would pay for this! The Bomber formation hit a transport ship - presumably Kanbera Maru - with two direct hit and two near misses:

" Serval bodies and articles that looked like soldiers equipment, kit bags and the like, came hurtling up towards our aircraft.

Slowly and grotesquely they revolved, like something in space, before plunging back towards the sea. But that was all. Zeros swept in, firing and giving us no chance to ponder the scene or check the ship´s ultimate fate. "... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-28-2004, 03:29 PM
Today something special about the Mitsubishi A6M3 Modell 22.

During the aerial fights over the Solomons it was noticed that the Model 32´s range was highly inadequate.

Following the suggestions from the front line units, a new set of wing internal fuel tanks were fitted, adding another 45 liters to the total fuel capacity.

These new tanks were installed outboard of the gun bays. The folding wing tips were reintroduced in order to maintain the wing loading at the unchanged level.

Three fighters of this type were experimentally fitted with 30 (!) mm cannons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif and tested in the Rabaul region.

The fate of this three very special fighters is unclear to me! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-28-2004, 04:04 PM
Now something about the use of the Rikko-Ohka combination in the Okinawa fight.

The Americans came ashore on Okinawa, on the doorstep of Japan´s Home Islands, on 1 April 1945.

That night, K708 flew its first Jinrai mission with six Ohka-carrying rikko, and one mothership made it back to base.

Two simply disappeared, another crashed and a fourth ditched, while the fifth set down on Taiwan and was lost during its return flight.

The Okinawa campaign triggered a blizzard of Japanese suicide sorties ba aircraft of every description in a series of Special Attack operations known as Kikusui (Floating Chrysanthemum).

However, aside from the Jinrai operations of 721 Ku, rikko sorties were limited to conventional attack missions in small numbers at night from bases on Kyushu and Taiwan.

Also flying from Kyushu was K704, wich was controlled by 706 Ku, while 801 Kokutai (originally a flying boat unit) operated Reconnaissance (Teisatsu) Hikotai 703 (T703).

Formerly K703, the latter unit had been redesignated on 15 March 1945. T707 and T709 were also assigned to 801 Ku, and the performed mainly night patrols and mine laying operations.

From Taiwan, K702, under 765 Ku control, flew small number missions, as did a provisional unit known as Attack (Special) Hikotai 701. Again part of 765 Ku, 701 was equipped with Type 1 aircraft, and personnel, that had been despatched to Taiwan from the Malaya and East Indies-based training unit 13th Kokutai.

K708 flew its next Jinrai sortie on the afternoon of 12 April with eight rikko, which succeeded in launching six Ohka. One of them sank the destroyer USS Mannert L Abele in the only confirmed sinking of an enemy vessel ba Ohka.

Five rikko motherships were lost, and a sixth crash-landed. A daylight mission on the 14th resulted in all seven rikko motherships being lost, while another daylight mission two days later by six aircraft resulted in four losses.

K708 went back to flying at night after that, although small-scale missions continued into May.

On the night of 21 June, the tenthe and last Ohka mission was flown by six rikko, four motherships failing to return. When daylight came on 22 June, all organised resistance by Lt Gen Ushijima´s 32nd Army finally came end on Okinawa.

However, conventional rikko attacks and patrols over Okinawa continued at a reduced pace until the end of the war.

Indeed, the last Type 1 combat mission was flown by two machines of 801 Kokutai on the night of 12 August 1945, the aircraft attacking shipping of Okinawa.

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-29-2004, 02:16 PM
Hi,

today something about the Japanese and American losses in the B-29 campaign.

The Japanese:

The statistics on overall Japanese losses in B-29 bombing raids are many and varied. One source cites 241,309 people killed, 213,041 injured and 2,333,388 homes destroyed. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

No one really knows the true numbers, for many public buildings that housed such informations were destroyed during the raids themselves.

But no matter what the real figures are, it is a fact that a tremendous number of people perished. War orphans flooded into the streets of Tokyo and other large citys, and most citizens were directly or indirectly affected by the huge destruction.

By the time Japan surrendered, its economy was in ruins. Five of Japan´s great citys - Tokyo, Osaka, Kobe, Nagoya and Yokohama - had been totally destroyed.

In addidtion, the two smaller cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were erased from the face of the earth in the atomic bombing.

The major industrial centres were wrecked, and inaccurate bombing had destroyed or damaged many smaller cities and towns.

The Allied forces, fighting on many fronts, had turned the tide against the Japanese and ground them down, helped in no small part by the B-29, a "high-tech" product of American science and industrial might.

While many factors contributed to forcing their surrender, the Japanese people believed they were ultimately defeated by the Boeing B-29 Superfortress.


Now the American losses:

XX BC (58th BW)

*15-16 June 1944 to 6 January 1945

Targets: Yawata and Omura

Lost: 38

*7 July to 21 December 1944

Target: Manchuria

Lost: 18

XXI BC

*24 November 1944 to 27 January 1945

Target: Areas including Tokyo

Lost: 50

*27-31 March 1945

Target: Tachiarai airfield

Lost: 1

*27 March to 8 August 1945

Target: Mining mission

Lost: 9

*4-25 February 1945

Target: Areas including Tokyo

Lost: 24

*4-31 March 1945

Target: Areas including Tokyo

Lost: 27

*1-30 April 1945

Target: Areas including Tokyo

Lost: 39

*8 April to 11 May 1945

Target: Kyushu airfields

Lost: 23

*10 May to 30 June 1945

Target: Areas including Tokyo

Lost: 98

*1 July to 15 August 1945

Target: Local cities

Lost: 33

This makes a overall total loss of 360 B-29 Superfortress. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-30-2004, 12:38 PM
Do you know something about the founder of the 343 Kokutai, Minoru Genda ? No ?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Let me correct this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Here something of his career milestones.

*1924: Graduated from Naval Academy at Etajima and served on the heavy cruiser Izumo.

*1928-29: Completed flight training at Kasumigaura with 160 flight hours.

*1929: In Yokusuka Kokutai for two month.

*1929: Served on carrier Akagi.

*1929-30: Three month training at Yokosuka under RAF Flight Leader Wingate and Squadron Leader Cappel.

*1930: Served on Akagi from March to November.

*1930-31: Flight instructor at Kasumigaura Kokutai and served three month in carrier Ryujo.

*1932: Again served on the Ryujo until the end of the year.

*1933-35: Instructor on Yokosuka Kokutai.

*1936-37: Student at Naval War College.

*1937-38: On staff of Air Flottila No.2 in China area. Flew from land bases.

*1938: Again instructed at Yokosuka Kokutai until the end of the year.

*1939-40: Assistant Naval Atteche´ for Air in London; left in September 1940.

*1940-41: Staff officer in Carrier Division No.1

*1941-42: Staff officer of the 1st Air Fleet (then including eight carriers).

*1942: Senior air officer on carrier Zuikaku (July to September). Staff officer 11th Air Fleet at Rabaul (October to November).

*1942-45: Naval General Staff, in overall Air planning.

*1945: CO of 343 Kokutai, a fighter group based first at Matsuyama (Shikoku), moved in April to Kanoya, then Kokubu, and finally to Omura.

Over 3,000 flight hours at the end of the war, all in fighters.

*1954: Joined the new Japan Self-Defence Air Force.

*1959-62: Chief of Staff of the JSDAF.

*1962-86: Member of the Japanese parliament.

Genda passed away in 1989. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

Shogo_Takeuchi
05-30-2004, 12:53 PM
Now something about a japanese hill strongpoint. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

an example: the Shuri hill strongpoint at Okinawa.

In American terminology Hill 130 or also called the "Chocolate Drop".

1,500 yards northeast of Shrui, Okinawa. It is typical of multi-level hill strongpoints with all-round defence.

The US 77th Infantry Division, approaching from the north, took from May 11-17 to capture it, losing ten tanks and so many infantry that a regiment was reduced to a battalion (!).

The hill´s surface was rocky and partly covered by low scrub brush. In the hill are four levels. Foxholes and trenches were scattered about the hill to protect the well-camouflaged firing ports and entrances along with the observation post on the peak, especially on the reverse slope.

The three 47mm AT guns and four HMGs defending the hill could be shifted to different embrasures and between the second and third levels.

I hope now you know what a japanese hill strongpoint is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Contemplate the workings of this world, listen to the words of wise, and take all that is good as your own. With this as your base, open your own doors to truth. Do not overlook the thuth right before you. Study how water flows in a valley stream, smootly and freely between the rocks...Everything - even mountains, rivers, plants and trees - should be your teacher.

- Morihei Ueshiba -

Sto1MAR1MP
10-03-2004, 04:06 AM
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Kwiatos
10-03-2004, 05:55 AM
I wonder if Shogo_Takeuchi is still here??

Sharkey888
02-11-2005, 07:26 AM
This was a very good topic.