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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:28 PM
Kill stealing to IL2/FB is what team killing is to Medal of Honor (or the like). It's not on brother!
Joined a server last night only to have a team mate tailing me and finishing off my kills. I'd put the work in and leave the NME with a burning engine or wing off, only for this pilot(?) to hit him with one shot and take my kill. Fokker!
You cannot afford to use up all your ammo to explode a plane. You leave the NME plane stricken and break off and go for the next guy. It's a pain in the rear to have some dork take your kill and your glory. It's not big and it's not clever.
Can people not have a little respect and show some manners?
They should grow up methinks.
I also disagree with killing pilots in their chutes. The best thing is to hit their canopy and watch them tumble to the ground screaming... hehe

KICK THE KILL STEALERS IT's THE ONLY WAY...

Your thought's please...

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:28 PM
Kill stealing to IL2/FB is what team killing is to Medal of Honor (or the like). It's not on brother!
Joined a server last night only to have a team mate tailing me and finishing off my kills. I'd put the work in and leave the NME with a burning engine or wing off, only for this pilot(?) to hit him with one shot and take my kill. Fokker!
You cannot afford to use up all your ammo to explode a plane. You leave the NME plane stricken and break off and go for the next guy. It's a pain in the rear to have some dork take your kill and your glory. It's not big and it's not clever.
Can people not have a little respect and show some manners?
They should grow up methinks.
I also disagree with killing pilots in their chutes. The best thing is to hit their canopy and watch them tumble to the ground screaming... hehe

KICK THE KILL STEALERS IT's THE ONLY WAY...

Your thought's please...

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:35 PM
Yes. Kill stealers are a royal pain. It`s hard enough doing all the work to see some pimply kid blow apart the stricken guy without giving him a chance. Sometimes I leave them to it and watch them shoot eachother down or collide. I only go DFs these days if there`s absolutely no F\Rs or coops on.

You`d get more sense outta talking to the wall than trying to get them to change.





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Message Edited on 08/05/0308:38PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:39 PM
Kill stealing is certainly annoying,but what I hate just as bad(or more) is seeing a stricken plane crash land and you not getting credit for this obvious kill.

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Message Edited on 08/05/03 03:47PM by necrobaron

Message Edited on 08/05/0303:48PM by necrobaron

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:55 PM
Hello,

I don't play for the points and I don't mind if people think they are stealing my kill, in reality they are not kill stealing but rather picking on a wounded or already crippled opponent who's performance may be significantly diminished.

If I think I have won a dogfight I stop my attack and break off, but I understand than all players need to get some kind of experience at any price. This is when the players with lesser experience move in to finish off the crippled aircraft.

I suppose we could look upon it in a natural way, like a lion brininging back a half dead rabbit so it's cubs can get some experience by making a kill of thier own.

I am in the game not for the points or the prizes, sides or ego's, but because I think it's a great game for a wide variety of experience!.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 09:57 PM
I don't really care since I know it was my kill. So if some point***** wants an easy kill to rack up some points, let him be. Teamkilling is what ticks me off, they can ruin a perfectly good server for everyone.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:11 PM
What exactly are you complaining about?

If someone "steals" your kill (ie: the enemy was still flying), then you didn't kill him--the other guy did.

I'm sure we've all been in the boat where someone was chasing you (vice versa), you were shot up pretty good but still manouverable and still had some ammmo. You go after someone else and maybe knock them down with your crippled bird.

Or you were chasing someone and because you are such a crappy shot, you used up all your ammo trying (and I stress the word --->trying<--- to shoot him down, only to find that you've run out of shells and he's still flying.

Kill stealing?

Nah, you couldn't finish the job.

On the other hand, I DO despise those who take shots at a one-winged bird spiraling into the ground. THAT is a steal.

The other stuff? If he's still flying, he's still fair game. Sometimes its BECAUSE there are two of you there that the kill is made, not because one or the other stole it.

Finish the job. Don't complain about your poor marksmanship by calling someone else a thief because they could do the job and you couldn't.

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adlabs6
08-05-2003, 10:26 PM
voyager_663rd wrote:
- Or you were chasing someone and because you are such
- a crappy shot, you used up all your ammo trying (and
- I stress the word --->trying<--- to shoot him down,
- only to find that you've run out of shells and he's
- still flying.
-
- Kill stealing?
-
- Nah, you couldn't finish the job.
-
- On the other hand, I DO despise those who take shots
- at a one-winged bird spiraling into the ground.
- THAT is a steal.

I see it this way also. If I light a plane on fire, and the guys going to bail, and someone puts some rounds into the flaming wreck to score, so what. I won the dogfight. Points aren't really important in that regard. Heck there are occasions where I've taken off someones wing, and RTB, only to get NO points for the kill from the server. Same difference.

It's really impossible to make a steal call in a situation where there are four 109's all tailing a Yak. Who is getting the kill in this case? Who ever is in front of the 'pack'? If someone flys past the 'pack leader' and starts firing, is the former leader now kill stealing?

More of a bother to me is the AI in offline mode. I would rather campaign than DF, and it's rediculous that my AI wingmen will shoot THROUGH my plane to get MY target! Nothing is more angering than to be shot down by my wingleader! I do hope the patch fixes this, or else much of my reason for playing FB is ruined.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 10:28 PM
voyager_663rd wrote:
- What exactly are you complaining about?
-
- If someone "steals" your kill (ie: the enemy was
- still flying), then you didn't kill him--the other
- guy did.
-
- I'm sure we've all been in the boat where someone
- was chasing you (vice versa), you were shot up
- pretty good but still manouverable and still had
- some ammmo. You go after someone else and maybe
- knock them down with your crippled bird.
-
- Or you were chasing someone and because you are such
- a crappy shot, you used up all your ammo trying (and
- I stress the word --->trying<--- to shoot him down,
- only to find that you've run out of shells and he's
- still flying.
-
- Kill stealing?
-
- Nah, you couldn't finish the job.
-
- On the other hand, I DO despise those who take shots
- at a one-winged bird spiraling into the ground.
- THAT is a steal.
-
- The other stuff? If he's still flying, he's still
- fair game. Sometimes its BECAUSE there are two of
- you there that the kill is made, not because one or
- the other stole it.
-
- Finish the job. Don't complain about your poor
- marksmanship by calling someone else a thief because
- they could do the job and you couldn't.
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-Amen to all the above! If you don't won't your team mates to steal your kills, then don't fly in a co-op. The goal is to shoot down the enemy TOGETHER not collecting points for your self.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:03 PM
If I see a teamate on what looks like the losing side of a fight i try to help and i encourage anyone to do the same for me. If someone has completly crippled an enemy a/c it's lame to put holes in it so you can claim the kill.

If I'm flying with friends I like to team up on kills. I could care less who gets the points.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:08 PM
my problem isnt kill stealers, so much as it is kill steal whiners.

kill steal whiners are just as big "point *****s" as kill stealers. That is why it matters so much to them.

famous aviation quote
"Burning debris never reversed on anyone."

unless the plane is on fire, missing a wing, or headed straight down with a dead pilot. It can still fight. Think black smoke isnt enough to disengage and expect everyone to sit around while its pilot still tries to do damage.


I remember a flight on Aviar server, when i bounced Jv44 Rall, unloaded shvak into him and had him with that think black smoke, and terribly damaged, i disengaged and headed for the next target(sky was full) figuring he(knowing he was dead) would disengage and try and land. he didnt, he simply turned around and attacked me. I evaded him untill he caught fire and blew up. But the point was, all my team mates were probably thinking, it dont want to kill steal. While Rall was on my 6, i wanted nothing more then someone to steal that kill http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif again.

"Burning debris never reversed on anyone."

i have absolutly no problem with someone helping me bring down an enemy plane, cuz that is called team work, and is how it should be done.

the real problem is kill steal whiners. I cant count the number of times i have jumped into a fight trying to save a team mate with an enemey on his 6, and after saving him, got called a kill stealer, just because he had done some damage to them. Another example is flying cover over a fight with a team mate, and he zigs when the aircaft he is attackign zags and disengages, i jump in, to bring the plane down now that my team mate has lost his advantage, and while i am on the enemy 6, my team mate(kill steal whiner) proceeds to shoot through me. His justtification for intentionally shooting through me, was that i was trying to kill steal and deserved it. Apperently to kill steal whiners, once they land 1 round on an aircraft, no one else is allowed to engage it, no matter the situation.

kill steal whiners are just as big of a problem as kill stealers. Both are point *****s, and dont seem to understand the concept of team work.

no matter how badly damaged, some pilots will fight to the end. So unless they are missing a wing, or on fire, or in a lawndart dive to the ground with a dead pilot. It is fair game. Trailing smoke and holes in wings is not enough

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:17 PM
JG27_Gundog wrote:
- If I see a teamate on what looks like the losing
- side of a fight i try to help and i encourage anyone
- to do the same for me. If someone has completly
- crippled an enemy a/c it's lame to put holes in it
- so you can claim the kill.
-
- If I'm flying with friends I like to team up on
- kills. I could care less who gets the points.
-
-

Well said Gundog! Its all about the Teamwork. There is no better feeling coming into 4 or 5 enemy against your 2 or 3 and coming out victorious. No one cares who got the most, It was a team victory.

Covering each others six and setting up your team8 for a good shot when you got one on your six. Sure its fun having bragging rights with number of kills. My squad keeps track of kills during competitions and gives medals to certain accomplishments along with kill totals.

There are definately some who a proffessional leaches. Best revenge is to switch sides and shoot them down repeatedly! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:23 PM
Isn't the idea for your TEAM to win? If my teammate finishes off a plane that I have damaged I congratulate him for helping the team. From where I stand there are no such things as "kill steals" when you are on the same side.

In regards to those you poach, well, what goes around comes around.

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:25 PM
voyager_663rd wrote:

- Kill stealing?
-
- Nah, you couldn't finish the job.

Er.. I believe the job was finished! Engine on fire, wing off? How can I spell this out exactly?
-
- On the other hand, I DO despise those who take shots
- at a one-winged bird spiraling into the ground.
- THAT is a steal.
-
That's what I said!! READ my post!

- The other stuff? If he's still flying, he's still
- fair game. Sometimes its BECAUSE there are two of
- you there that the kill is made, not because one or
- the other stole it.
-
- Finish the job. Don't complain about your poor
- marksmanship by calling someone else a thief because
- they could do the job and you couldn't.
-
The kill was mine, read my post. Wing off engine on fire. I leave the battle because the job is done. The next stop for the NME is the ground at high velcoity. I only leave the fight when the job is done.
I am not a poor marksman, you would know this if you had flown against me.
I complain only about kills taken in this fashion, when the plane is truly stricken and doesn't require any more shots to finish it. A stealer only has to touch them with one shot,a shot that doesn't even cause damage. The kill has thus been stolen.
As for an NME with many on his case, then the best pilot will take the kill (usually me).

Read posts properly before flaming dude!

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:30 PM
Cover your wingmans six dont steal his kill is what I think. Dont ruin a persons good fight just so you can point *****. Even worse if your in a uber yak or LA...How lame.


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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:35 PM
VMF-214_HaVoK wrote:
- Cover your wingmans six dont steal his kill is what
- I think. Dont ruin a persons good fight just so you
- can point *****. Even worse if your in a uber yak or
- LA...How lame.
-
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- S~
- 47|FC=-
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Well said. To the point.
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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:42 PM
on a red on blue fight its not about points its team work ,GET REAL GUYS,

XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:48 PM
I love how when someone posts a question how it always gets twisted around to all kinds of junk. I believe he WAS talking about a plane that WAS going down. Missing a wing or on fire or dead pilot. I didnt see him say it was smoking or just hit. I agree with him if the plane is dead. Anything else is fair game. Team work is flying with the lead or attacking plane watching his six and only attacking the plane he is after if he tells you to or he breaks off out of ammo etc... Its not everyone shoot at the same plane. Its to easy to hit your team mate. Plus he now has to worry about his moves because your shooting past him. People who shoot dead planes need a life outside this sim. Notice I said DEAD PLANES.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:49 PM
If some snot-nosed punk is hanging on your six, stealing your kills, I'd recommend either a spiraling climb or a sight-seeing tour until he gets bored enough to break off and go play remora on someone else.

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:52 PM
Yum_Yum wrote:
- Hello,
-
- I suppose we could look upon it in a natural way,
- like a lion brininging back a half dead rabbit so
- it's cubs can get some experience by making a kill
- of thier own.

ROTFLOL

Very well put

Some times Kill Stealing bothers me other times it dosent

It bothers me when Ive been in a long good df & I was the victor and the bandit is limping away near death & here comes a freekin Yak too my rescue LOL goes right over too the wounded bandit & trims his wing off with a squirt of gunz That Bothers me alot !!!!

Or when you been in a great df & your bolth limping home & you finaly managed to get your bird on the deck & here comes some jackazz trying to vulch you but his skill is so poor that instead of vulching/straffing you he slams his plane right into you normaly killing him & you Tisk Tisk...

Once in a while tho they try that chit & they clip your plane it dosent hurt you but they crash & you get the Points LOL gota love that !!!!!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-05-2003, 11:56 PM
Let me just make my point one final last time.

What I mean by a stricken plane....

Wing off.

Pilot dead.

Whole of tail off with plane tumbling to ground.

Engine on fire, shot to hell, a knackered engine that will explode in seconds guarenteed, and always does.

That is what I call stricken, and all these can be stolen with a single contact shot by the stealers. These are the kills I am talking about, nothing else.

I am not a point*****, I just like to keep what is mine.

I don't like the point*****s who say they are aces when they scavenge other peoples kills.

I don't mind a team mate finishing something I couldn't because I'm out of ammo or the NME is too evasive. I will congratulate him immediately, as I always do.

Does this need more explanation??

I like my score to reflect how I am performing in a dogfight. I render a plane unflyable and heading for the ground and a lesser pilot takes my points. That's stealing!
Any 'ace' can have their points taken by a scavenging noob, or poor pilot.

I am a team player in every respect, but I like to keep what's mine.

XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:02 AM
Points mean nothing to me, ergo kill stealing is pointless.

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XyZspineZyX
08-06-2003, 12:03 AM
Just wanted to add a note

On many occasions when booming & zooming bandits there are times that ive stolen a kill, not that it was on purpose but either we shot @ the same time or the bandit was prewounded & made a fatal error & is hangin there & I swoop down going 700+ & bang hes toast

When I notice that this ac was another persons kill I will tell them either sorry that was your Kill or tell them great team kill depending on the circumstance

If I see that bandits engine is stoped I hold my fire because that friendly teammate already baged this Bird.

Many times people have said thx for not stealin my kill his engine was dead. or n/p it was a team effort..

I think giving props too the actual winer of the battle if you accidentaly b&z & took a kill somehow relives the fealing of being riped off, altho I do my best too avoid these situations.

Wish alot of others had same respect.

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