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Y-KNEE-DAD
02-02-2004, 06:07 PM
I am trying to put together a fictional mission based on Band of Brothers last episode when they reach Hitler's Eagle's Nest. This will involve a capture of Hitler or at least an attempt. I know that Hitler was apparently afraid of heights but if he had to get in a plane as a passenger, which of the multipassenger Nazi plane would you think his leaders would put him in at the end of the war? Thanks.

Y-KNEE-DAD
02-02-2004, 06:07 PM
I am trying to put together a fictional mission based on Band of Brothers last episode when they reach Hitler's Eagle's Nest. This will involve a capture of Hitler or at least an attempt. I know that Hitler was apparently afraid of heights but if he had to get in a plane as a passenger, which of the multipassenger Nazi plane would you think his leaders would put him in at the end of the war? Thanks.

Korolov
02-02-2004, 06:09 PM
Storch, probably.

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georgeo76
02-02-2004, 06:28 PM
I know that Hitler often flew in a Ju52. Kind of his Luftwaffe one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But koro is right, in a pinch, or in an area w/o a good airfield a Storch will do nicely.


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BfHeFwMe
02-02-2004, 07:19 PM
I've caught him flying in a 109K, also thought I saw him in a dora once. He's a pushover compared to Stalin in the three gun La-7.

OberstWileyII
02-02-2004, 08:48 PM
If Hitler had had anyplace to Escape to, it would have been in Hanna Reitsch's Storch.... no doubt about it.

In the last days of the war, Reitsch piloted her Storch into Berlin along with General Robert Ritter von Greim to meet with Hitler(von Greim was appointed as new/Last commander of the Luftwaffe). The city was already surrounded and nearly defeated by Red Army troops who had progressed into the heart of the downtown area when Reitsch arrived on the 27th of April, landing on a city street!! They spent 2-3 days in the "bunker". She hoped to fly out the children of propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, who'd been living there with their parents, but he would not allow it.

She escaped in her Storche through heavy Russian anti-aircraft fire on the day before Hitler, who remained behind, commited suicide.


Here is some more about Hanna Reitsch:
Fraulein Reitsch, who had miraculously survived several crashes, was the first and only woman to be awarded the Iron Cross (First and Second Classes) by Hitler in 1942 for her contribution to civilian flying. A much decorated favourite of the Fuhrer, the brave, patriotic test pilot was politically naive, refusing to believe that Hitler was implicated in such events as the Crystal Night pogrom and dismissing talk of concentration camps as propaganda. From November 1943 she joined General Robert Ritter von Greim, a fanatic flier and, like herself, an idealistic believer in Nazism, in his air force headquarters on the eastern front line in Russia. She and von Greim were among Hitler's last visitors in the Fuhrerbunker in Berlin on 26 - 29 April 1945, after flying through Russian flank and anti - aircraft shells to reach the Reich Chancellery. On 29 April a physically and morally broken Hitler commanded her and von Greim (the newly appointed Commander - in - Chief of the Luftwaffe) to leave Berlin and rally the remaining Nazi air forces to support a rescue operation. They escaped miraculously through a sea of flames and explosions as Russian troops ringed the city, reaching Admiral Karl Doenitz's headquarters. Hanna Reitsch was later arrested and held in an interrogation center for fifteen months by the Americans, then released in 1946.


Read more about her here:
http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/H/Hanna-Reitsch.htm

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/reitsch.html


So.....If Hitler had wanted to escape from Berlin, right up until the last day, he could have done so in a Storch...but there was NO place to go!

Alles war Kaput!

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PriK
02-02-2004, 09:33 PM
http://charvel.acwos.com/EaglesNestP47_final.zip

Here's one I made a few months ago. I think you'd get a kick out of the doormat at the Eagle's Nest. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fun mission too. It's got the getaway storch as a mission objective and other secondary objectives along with a few surprises.

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fridaycat
02-02-2004, 11:15 PM
Clearly he needs to fly a long distance, and the Storch isn't going to cut it. Allow me to suggest the Junkers Ju-290. William Green in "War Planes of the Third Reich" reports a 1944 flight by three Ju-290s from Finsterwald to Manchuria via Mielec and Odessa. A plausible scenario would also have Hitler escaping in an Italian Savoie Marchetti SM-75. The Italians flew an SM-75 from Rome to Rhodes to Crimea to Paotou (Inner Mongolia) to Tokyo leaving July 1 of 1942, crossing Soviet airspace en route, and then returned to a hero's welcome in Rome on July 16th. A covert mission in a long range Savoie Marchetti could deliver Hitler to his minions in Argentina. I envision secret airfields manned by German agents in the Middle East and Africa. Clearly we need to add the Ju-290 and SM-75 to the Aces Expansion pack. :-)

fridaycat
02-02-2004, 11:28 PM
http://www.comandosupremo.com/Triumph.html
http://users.belgacom.net/aircraft2/avion2/1970.html
http://www.geocities.com/hjunkers/ju_ju90_a1.htm
Links re: SM-75, Ju-290, the Japan route, and the Ki-77 I didn't mention, which undertook an illfated flight to Italy. The Ki-77 is a beautiful aircraft. It's kind of a sexy C-47.
http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/army/Ki-77%20Gallery.htm

fridaycat
02-02-2004, 11:51 PM
Go here and punch "Ki-77" into the search window.
http://pro.corbis.com/search/searchFrame.asp
I say again, beautiful. Hitler escapes in a visiting Japanese Ki-77.

ELEM
02-03-2004, 01:10 AM
I'm not often suprised by a/c types but that Ki-77 is a new one on me. What a beauty!

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

SUPERAEREO
02-03-2004, 02:28 AM
Oh... I always thought he escaped to Neuschwabenland on a Hanebu flying saucer..!!!

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Y-KNEE-DAD
02-03-2004, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
http://charvel.acwos.com/EaglesNestP47_final.zip

Here's one I made a few months ago. I think you'd get a kick out of the doormat at the Eagle's Nest. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fun mission too. It's got the getaway storch as a mission objective and other secondary objectives along with a few surprises.

http://charvel.acwos.com/chbanner.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks for that Eagle's Nest mission. I was trying to find one before I decided to try doing one myself. Is it posted at Mudmovers or somewhere else?

Mine involves a paratroop night run on the Nest. Alot of trial and error with FMB. You did a great job with the layout and buildings and I am sure I will get suprised during the flight which I just started and am really enjoying it. Will let you know how I succeed. BTW I think the location/map I used for the Eagle's Nest was nearly identical to yours. . I was looking for a western view looking out toward the real Eagle's Nest.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Kehlsteinhaus/EagleNest02.html

PriK
02-03-2004, 11:18 AM
Thanks for your comments, glad you like it.

Feel free to use whatever ideas you get from it or as a basis for a new mission. This one isn't (obviously) trying to be historical but it is realistic enough to be enjoyable and challenging.

It's a tough mission to stay alive and get all of the objectives (including hidden) and land. With conservation of ammo it is possible though.

cheers

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