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PBNA-Boosher
08-02-2004, 03:10 PM
When I saw it, I immediately knew it was a 109, but the canopy and the gun ports seem odd to me. I know it's not an E version, but which version is it? Could this possibly be a photo of the prototype?

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Boosher/messerschmittbf109_2_lrg.jpg

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PBNA-Boosher
08-02-2004, 03:10 PM
When I saw it, I immediately knew it was a 109, but the canopy and the gun ports seem odd to me. I know it's not an E version, but which version is it? Could this possibly be a photo of the prototype?

http://www.photodump.com/direct/Boosher/messerschmittbf109_2_lrg.jpg

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JG53Frankyboy
08-02-2004, 03:16 PM
well , its indeed an Emil http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
a Bf109E-3 , with the early kind of canopy

the barrel out of the spinner was , so far i remember to get the engine startet from outside, i have to check it again - i know this pisture is in one of my books http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Jester_159th
08-02-2004, 03:23 PM
It could be an early Emil. There were some of that mark fitted with a clear view canopy. Also possible would be a B or C version. Not too sure about their weapons loadouts. The loadout in the pic could match the early Emils though.

Don't think it's one of the prototypes. All the pictures I've ever seen of them were not camoflage painted, also the swastika on the tailplane is a later specification (At the time of the prototypes it was the full Nazi flag, red background and all.

I'll probably be wrong about the version....But at least I'll keep a 100% record!!

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JG53Frankyboy
08-02-2004, 03:25 PM
ckecked it:
it was a kind of towing lug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
the idea was to tow planes with damaged engines as a gliger back to repair facillities http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

weird idea , isnt it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif , "funny" days these thirties of the last century in the Air

meh_cd
08-02-2004, 03:25 PM
I thought the cannon in the hub was going to be used for the MG FF, but they never actually used it and dropped it on the E-4?

Jester_159th
08-02-2004, 03:26 PM
Damn..I got it right for once!!!

...Spoiled my record now! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

http://img61.photobucket.com/albums/v185/Jester_159th/jestersigfinal.jpg

JG53Frankyboy
08-02-2004, 03:27 PM
its deffinatly an Emil !
the earlier ones have a totaly different kind of engine cowling.
Bf109D
http://www.warbirdpictures.com/LCBW/Me109-D1-3s.jpg

those canopies were still in use till BoB !
and the cowling weapons - its just a painting - some units of that time painted them this kind - there are srill the well known MG17s below http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ankanor
08-02-2004, 04:19 PM
This is a Me109 E-2. And yes, it`s experimental. Before the BoB Luftwaffe sought a greater range of the Me109. One idea was a fighter towed by a bomber http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif. The "engine cannon" is a device for catching the tow cable. The idea did not find supporters because the bomber used too much fuel, and also beacause of the vulnerability of the pair.

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NegativeGee
08-02-2004, 05:27 PM
Is it prototype V20?

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Franzen
08-02-2004, 09:40 PM
It's simply an E-3. The canopy is not that special, I've seen it often in pictures and I even have a model with the choice of canopies. This picture was probably taken around 1940.

Fritz Franzen

wayno7777
08-02-2004, 10:38 PM
Yes Boosh, I agree with Fritz. An E-3. I remember this shot from somewhere because it was showing the stamped gun troughs. There is another photo that goes with this one showing a different way to do them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/Aircraft/bf109e3france.jpg
BTW, this is an E-3 in France 1940.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/Dux_Wreck.jpg
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Franzen
08-02-2004, 10:43 PM
I believe Hartmann's E3 had the same canopy. Maybe I'm wrong(pilot).

Fritz Franzen

EFG_Zeb
08-03-2004, 02:28 AM
Yes Franzen, wrong pilot... Hartmann never flew the E3 in combat... He flew 109 D's at gunnery school in '42. His first combat mission was in a 109 G4 on october 14 of '42. By then the E3 had been phased out of frontline service for a long time...

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Rab03
08-03-2004, 04:18 AM
Definitely Emil. Most probably E-3 which is indicated by wing MG FF cannons (E-3 was the first serial version of Messerschmitt to have wing cannons).

Emils like this were sold to many countries. Yugoslav Royal Air Force bought them in 1940 (73+) and used them in April 1941 against Germans.

Later, as became evident that clear style canopy doesn't provide enough protection for pilot, new canopy was designed and implemented on E-4 series, together with head aromor plate.

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Franzen
08-03-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EFG_Zeb:
Yes Franzen, wrong pilot... Hartmann never flew the E3 in combat... He flew 109 D's at gunnery school in '42. His first combat mission was in a 109 G4 on october 14 of '42. By then the E3 had been phased out of frontline service for a long time...

Regards,

"See, Decide, Attack, Reverse or Coffee Break" E.H.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zeb, who was the famous ace that flew the E3 with a Mickey Mouse on the side? I have a model of this but never paid too much attention to remembering the pilot's name.

Rab, I think you are right about the pretection. I seem to remember reading that the E3 canopies were changed to protect the pilot from headon shots.

When I do see the E3 with the rounded canopy i always think of the Battle of Britain. I had already thought about the E3's in Oleg's BoB and was wondering which canopies/canopy he'll use.

Fritz Franzen

Skarphol
08-03-2004, 08:26 AM
I think the pilots name was Carganico. Just saw a picture of his plane on a page a got to know of by JG301_nils. If I'm lucky, this should be a picture of his ride:

&lt;img src="http://www.stormbirds.com/eagles/ezimages/Bf109Carganico.jpg"&gt;

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EFG_Zeb
08-03-2004, 08:39 AM
The Emil with the cigar smoking, axe wielding mickey mouse on the side belonged to Adolf Galland, one of the most famous ace, if not the most famous ace of the Luftwaffe... A. Galland flew E3 and E4 in the BoB. He was such a dedicated cigar smoker (hence the one on the mouse) that he had an ashtray field mounted in his cockpit...

But mickey mouses were quite common emblems in the LW, Skarphol, but the most famous one was Galland's...

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Franzen
08-03-2004, 09:50 AM
Yes, that was the right one, Gallant. Thx dude. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz Franzen

NorrisMcWhirter
08-03-2004, 10:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
It's simply an E-3. The canopy is not that special, I've seen it often in pictures and I even have a model with the choice of canopies. This picture was probably taken around 1940.

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi,

^ I concur...I have the same kit, probably and the alternative canopy definately looks like this.

Cheers,
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