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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:13 AM
My Geforce4 TI4200 has just given up the ghost and I am now in need of a reasonably cheap card with TV out. I have been looking at a 9200 Radion 128MB which I can get pretty cheaply. I have read that this has some software issues though. Any suggestions/comments?

My humble (old) system
1700XP+ AMD
768 MB DDR RAM
Was GF4 TI4200 now running old GF2 440MX with knackered fan!! (No FB or Freelancer at the mo for me!)

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:13 AM
My Geforce4 TI4200 has just given up the ghost and I am now in need of a reasonably cheap card with TV out. I have been looking at a 9200 Radion 128MB which I can get pretty cheaply. I have read that this has some software issues though. Any suggestions/comments?

My humble (old) system
1700XP+ AMD
768 MB DDR RAM
Was GF4 TI4200 now running old GF2 440MX with knackered fan!! (No FB or Freelancer at the mo for me!)

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:15 AM
I've just bought a GeForceFX5200 (128mb).

I'm very impressed with it.

I paid about 70.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:19 AM
Extreme_One wrote:
- I've just bought a GeForceFX5200 (128mb).
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- I'm very impressed with it.
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- I paid about 70.
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U DID WHAT???????OMFG IT*S WORDT VIDOECARD U CAN GET!!!! ti4200 is 100 tiMES BETTER THEN fx5200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fx5000 SUX!!!!!!!!
realy man how can u play FB with it

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 10:34 AM
- U DID WHAT???????OMFG IT*S WORDT VIDOECARD U CAN
- GET!!!! ti4200 is 100 tiMES BETTER THEN
- fx5200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- fx5000 SUX!!!!!!!!
- realy man how can u play FB with it
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It's a good card for the price!
It's better than my previous card which was a Geforce4MX (64mb).
Until I upgrade my mainboard and processor, there's little point shelling-out for a top spec graphics card.

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09-21-2003, 10:37 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 01:04 PM
Any views on the 9200 though. My finger is hovering over the buy button.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 01:16 PM
9200 I don´t know much about but it´s a lowend video card. Don´t expect much higher performance than with your ti-4200. The ti-4200 is still pretty decent so can´t you just buy a new one if you where happy with it?

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 01:34 PM
The price is the problem. I can pick up a 9200 with 128MB for just under 60, whereas the 64mb card that has just blown still cost 90+. Also, the fact that it has just blown after just over a year puts me off slightly.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:05 PM
September issue of PC Pro (published in the UK) has a graphics card review. Their pick for speed is the PNY Verto GeForce FX 5900 ULTRA which barely edges out the 9800 cards in speed. The winning card is the Gigabyte Radeon 9800 PRO (339 pounds including VAT), but their pick for value is MSI FX-5600 VTDR ULTRA (125 pounds including VAT). Another card that gets a good review (value for the buck or pound) is the Connect3D Radeon 9600 (95 pounds including VAT).

I am sure that all of the prices are now less because of the lag time in publication. I am in the U.S. and have never used this magazine before but the tests seem pretty comprehensive (a combination of synthetic benchmarks and real world games).

Hope this information helps, Michael

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:15 PM
Extreme_One wrote:



"It's a good card for the price!
It's better than my previous card which was a Geforce4MX (64mb).
Until I upgrade my mainboard and processor, there's little point shelling-out for a top spec graphics card. "



I did same as you, Extreme_One. It`s quite nice and better than the 64meg you had (same with me), it seemed to cure my CTD on Leningrad, but I was dissapointed with the stutters I was still getting... (You did one better, I paid 80 for mine /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

So I got a GF4 TI 4200 128mg. Big improvement all round (although fps stayed the same out of the box with no adjustments).

Difference was when I upped the resolution to 1280x720 32 bit and the fps increased (increased by about 3\4 )! No need to fly in 800x600 16 bit any more.
It`s also easy to overclock. I`ve noticed a BIG difference here too. Much happier with it.


Now a question for Chillyice1. What happened to your GF4 TI 4200? Did you overclock it? If so by how much? Also, how long have you had it. Thnx in advance for reply. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:18 PM
if u in the uk i sugest www.tekheads.co.uk (http://www.tekheads.co.uk) and www.tekforums.co.uk (http://www.tekforums.co.uk) , on the forum in the for sale and wanted bit they was selling off old b grade stuff cheap
was some real bargins,u will probably need to register tho /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
hopefully they on the tekheads site
btw they good guys, my first choice for bits i buy/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:22 PM
I got my Radeon 9600 for 105 (inlc delivery) from savastore. works just great.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:28 PM
Now a question for Chillyice1. What happened to your
- GF4 TI 4200? Did you overclock it? If so by how
- much? Also, how long have you had it. Thnx in
- advance for reply.

I used to clock my ti4200 leadtek card to around 310/540 with no problem at all just go slowly and it will be fine.
Fact is that card was not much slower than my ti4600 I have now.

And it still runs fine in a second computer now and its around 1 1/2 years old, even though it has been overclocked since new.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:32 PM
I have had the card for just over a year and I have not messed around with the clocking at all. It started to crash over the previous week or so and then one morning I turned the PC on and it turned itself straight off (see Red Dwarf episode 'White hole' for dramatisation). I took the PC apart and started pluging cards in to diagnose the problem and when I plugged the GF4 in the problem returned. I pluged my old GF2 in and it works fine. I really am strapped for cash at the moment and I just want something that is going to be no worse than the GF4 Ti4200. I heard that the ATI card perform well and wondered what the performance of the 128MB 9200 Radeon was like when compared against the 64MB GF4 Ti4200. If it is comparitive then I would be happy with this as it is 40 cheaper than the GF4 (which does not seem to have come down in price at all since I bought it). My biggest concern at the moment is cost and getting running again on IL2FB ASAP. My PC is now quite old and it does not seem worth getting an expensive card as the bottleneck will probably just be moved elsewhere (probably CPU). Any comments?

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:38 PM
Chillyice1 wrote:
- I have had the card for just over a year and I have
- not messed around with the clocking at all. It
- started to crash over the previous week or so and
- then one morning I turned the PC on and it turned
- itself straight off (see Red Dwarf episode 'White
- hole' for dramatisation

Hoho! I know that episode well! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Thanx for your reply( and pourshot too). I wish i could help, but my experience only goes up to the Ti4200, after the GF4 mx420. I honestly wish you good luck, m8.

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 02:40 PM
I dont know anything about radeon cards but if your concerned about the drivers or some such you could get one of the better gf3 cards should be a very cheap option

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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 03:19 PM
To replace a Ti4200...well you can either get another Ti4200 (which are still good and priced very nicely) or you can go upto the FX5200's except you won't see much of an improvement in performance (the two are similar in performance, the FX having some DX9 abilities although thats starting to be called into question) and the Radeon 9600Pro is a very very good deal right now as well. Drivers are just as good as nVidia's so you can't really go wrong...remember that each card has its idiosyncratic elements to them.

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09-21-2003, 07:55 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 08:30 PM
Wow, I wish you good luck. That's a chilling story. I bought my Leadtek ti4000 the minute it came onto the store shelf, and so far so good. Now I wonder.

It's been my experience that there's no computer hardware problem that time plus money does not eventually solve, but that's probably cold comfort to anyone who is short on either or both. Personally, I would go for the replacement 4200, if only because you would simply re-install the drivers that you, your computer, and your games are used to. I would also suspect that in an older PC, you might have deeper problems that the video card failiure is just a symptom of. Not knowing what the true source of the problem is must be frustrating for you. I hope this all works out.

XyZspineZyX
09-21-2003, 11:05 PM
NVidia are in the woods.
Get an ATI and get the speed for DX9 games as well.
I have an MX 440 by the way and it suits me fine for FB.
But I'll be getting myself a 9600 pro in the near future when I upgrade.
Of course there's always the slight chance NVidia will somehow find a way around their problems but I wouldn't count on it.
Or get a 9200 if you don't have the bucks.


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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:50 AM
Get a ATI Radeon 9600Pro if your motherboard supports it. For a around $160, it can let you run Perfect Setting over 30fps in 1.11.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:35 AM
If your looking into ATI, might want to look at the 8500LE 128. It has all the bells and whistles. Price is good and has a ton of options.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 06:54 AM
Except it´s dx 8.1 and is the lower clocked 8500 model... But it sure as hell should be extremely cheap. Expect bit over Geforce 3 ti-500 performance and probably at least Geforce 4 performance in dx 9 games...

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:12 PM
Just a quick note:

I've managed to melt 2 GF4 ti4200 cards in my PC. They run too hot. The second card even had its own ducting and its own 80mm fan to assist in cooling...nope... burned out anyways. Neither card was over clocked. Sadly, I don't have the money either... so I'm stuck with a gf4mx440, which does OK for TB.

I feel your pain.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:16 PM
You can always look on ebay to there are all kinds of people who upgrade and don't need those old cards anymore. If you find the right person you can get a great deal. I recently got a joystick for under 30 dollars and i've been very impressed with it. Watch out for S/H and feedback though 2 things to consider when you use that service.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:46 PM
Here's how it is:

1) If all you play is IL2 - or other games based on Dx8 or lower and using OpenGL, like Jedi Knight 2 - stick with a GeForce4 Ti. They are some of the best Dx8 cards out there, and Nvidia cards run better than ATi cards in OpenGL. For IL2, these cards still offer the best bang for your buck. Even a GeForce4 MX can run FB reasonably well with a decent mobo and proc, although an ATi 9200 is probably better for the same price. If you feel the need to have an ATi card, go with the 9200, but I would recommend the GeForce4 Ti over it.

2) If you play other games besides IL2, and are looking for Dx9 support in the near future, I would highly recommend going with ATi. Sadly, Nvidia really dropped the ball with the FX cards. Doom 3 should run ok with them, but other than that game the future looks bleak for FX. Best card here would be the 9600 Pro; a 9500 Pro is even better, but you will have trouble finding one. Even a regualar 9600 should be ok, assuming you have a good system to pair it with, say at least 2Ghz+ and 512Mb of ram. Note that a 9200 is not a dx9 card, so stay away from it if you want dx9.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 12:57 PM
legodragonxp wrote:
- Just a quick note:
-
- I've managed to melt 2 GF4 ti4200 cards in my PC.
- They run too hot. The second card even had its own
- ducting and its own 80mm fan to assist in
- cooling...nope... burned out anyways. Neither card
- was over clocked. Sadly, I don't have the money
- either... so I'm stuck with a gf4mx440, which does
- OK for TB.
-
- I feel your pain.

You have a problem, I have run my overclocked ti4200 in the very hot aussie summer (with no aircon) and never even had a hiccup.Iam talking 40c + room temp so if your killing cards like that I would be looking into updateing my cooling Fast.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 02:39 PM
If only it was that easy. My cooling is way above normal. Maybe I just got bum cards, but both got so hot that they cooked themselves.

I have two 80mm fans drawing air from in front. An 80mm fan and a slot fan drawing air out the back. I have a side mounted (and ducted) 80mm blowing air DIRECTLY on the heatsink of the video card, the slot fan draws air DIRECTLY from the area of the heat sink.

I'll just wait until the bank account will let me buy a new card (probably an ATI).

-Legodragonxp

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 04:23 PM
Tell me how much you are willing to spend and I will tell you what card is the best for thet price.

Anyway, to get ATI 9200 is not a good idea. 9200 it's the same old 9000 but modified a litle. I used one for about half a year. I couldn't aford high resolutions and quality settings. I bout ATI Radeon 9500, made soft modification to 9700 and overcklocked it to 9700 pro. Than I run banchmarks and was sure that I got 9700 Pro for 130 dollarshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif))

If you are not power user get ATI 9600 Pro, it supports Dx9.0 and will be usefull in future games. If you really short of money get FX200 128 Mb will 128 bit mamory.

If you dont care of Dx9.0 features, anisotropic filtration and antialiasing, then get Ti 4200. Its pretty powerfull if these features are not activated.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:29 PM
Right. I think I've made up my mind. I think it's the 9600 Pro. I'll just have to get paid before I can afford it. 10 Days left.

XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:42 PM
The only thing bad about the Nvidia FX is it runs hot and has a noisy fan problem. Betweem my twin fan Leadtek Winfast a250 ( GF4 TI-4600, AGP 4X ) and my AMD XP-2100 ( Palamino ) I have a computer which functions better as a "noisy space heater" than it does as a computer!! Plays FB really well, but lots of extraneous noise and I have to keep the room really cool or my whole system will burn up.
I have to run with the side of my computer case off just to keep the processor below 50 centigrade.... And I have a lot of work keeping this room cool too, believe me. The best combo for less heat and noise would probably be a Pentium chip computer along with a ATI video card. Consider evironmental factors as well. I didn't, I can play FB very well but comes at a cost.

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XyZspineZyX
09-22-2003, 05:49 PM
Good choice. Though you will spend more, but will enjoy the performance of your card much longer as more and more new games will come out.

This card supports DirectX9.0. To see the abilities of it run 3DMark03 on this card.