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Tvrdi
02-19-2004, 03:05 PM
That man 312_Pes killed me in VEF when i was at the ground, in my base...landed...and was shooting at me before that when i was landing (gears down)....let it be said here cause more and more ppl are doing that....

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Tvrdi
02-19-2004, 03:05 PM
That man 312_Pes killed me in VEF when i was at the ground, in my base...landed...and was shooting at me before that when i was landing (gears down)....let it be said here cause more and more ppl are doing that....

http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/281203-Lilly_Kpt_Tvrle23.jpg

Chuck_Older
02-19-2004, 03:08 PM
It's not quite right to just yell out "this guy cheats"

A lot of people don't play fairly, but accusations fly around so easily here. Not saying he didn't do it, but what is the intent here? To start a list of cheaters? Is that going to help anything?

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ValSteven
02-19-2004, 03:18 PM
the 312 whole squadron are "AF sweepers",they don't care the mission at all,if you have the ntrk,you'll found that they always fly around some where and wait for the OKL "short leg" 109s RTB,then fly over the AF to attack.

TheGozr
02-19-2004, 03:18 PM
I turn on my landing light when landing, just to lets the other know. if they don't to bad for me.

Just matter of choice to the enemy but i just lets them know that I'm off. badly wounded or out of gas or ready to land emergency crash.

I'm not flying for points ( don't give a dime for Point really )

Many time i do not finish my kills i see the enemy going for landing ( gears down or lights on ) i just go ..

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lbhskier37
02-19-2004, 03:20 PM
Isnt VEF an online war? What is wrong with vulching in an online war? I can see being pissed in a dog server where it is forbidden, but whining about it in an online war sounds pretty dumb, is there a rule that once your gear are down your safe or something?

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TheGozr
02-19-2004, 03:27 PM
For my part it doesn't matter That's dogfights.
Visual communications.


but in WAR mission or coop it would be an other story for sure..

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Erbriac
02-19-2004, 03:32 PM
Sorry man, but you are telling only half the truth...me and Pes were chasing you half the map and finaly catch you near your base...don't expect a mercy if you shoot at us and then run away...this is war not kid's play! We would not attacked you if you were landing but this was a continuation of our fight!

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PE_Tigar
02-19-2004, 03:35 PM
@ValSteven: How do you know this? I haven't seen you in VEF mate, maybe if you let us know what your VEF callsign is maybe we could work this out. Because what you're saying is pure and unsubstantiated BS and my friends from 312 are not taking it lightly.

frag_bravo
02-19-2004, 03:41 PM
War is hell.SO is air fighting.Vulching should be premitted.

heywooood
02-19-2004, 03:55 PM
this is why I am content to fly offline -
and one of the only kind of threads that should be locked IMO.

Dont complain - dont explain

Tvrdi
02-19-2004, 04:11 PM
Wraith ok u chased me..u said i was running..yes offcourse, my plane was in deep **** u know, oil on the windshield, smoking, f up machine, no aimpoint....but ok I agree it is indeed an online war..but what are u sayin, can I kill you when u are in your base.....I thought we have unwritten rules in VEF..so it seams for you, that u can even shot at the enemy who is chased by friendly plane over fr. plane...but lots of ppl flying in VEF and I undestud we are not all the same ppl....

Tigre, Tvrle je i steram te Cehe u pizdu materinu znas, sa takvom igrom

Lazy312
02-19-2004, 04:15 PM
"the 312 whole squadron are "AF sweepers",they don't care the mission at all,if you have the ntrk,you'll found that they always fly around some where and wait for the OKL "short leg" 109s RTB,then fly over the AF to attack."

that's not true. look at mission debrief. we escorted IL-2s and we were attacked by 109s. i think we did our job quite well.

yes Pes attacked you on the ground. but he did take a risk being shot down by flak.

VEF is online war and you're never safe until you disconnect from the game. I was shot down too when landing, or when in a totally crippled plane I was trying to ditch..

I agree it's not very nice what Pes did but he did NOTHING against VEF rules.

you on the other have just broken the most important VEF rule, when you said that we are AF sweepers..

wooden planes, iron men

Erbriac
02-19-2004, 04:21 PM
I am pretty sure we could have settled that in private and not on a public forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Chuck_Older
02-19-2004, 04:24 PM
Why? This is fascinating

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drapis
02-19-2004, 04:31 PM
Tvrdi:That man 312_Pes killed me in VEF when i was at the ground, in my base...landed...and was shooting at me before that when i was landing (gears down)....let it be said here cause more and more ppl are doing that....


there is an airwar , pilot. What did you expect to find up there? Flies?

didn't most of 262 kills in RL happen when they were landing (I'm even pretty sure they had their gear down ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Killing for peace is like whoring for virginity.

Erbriac
02-19-2004, 04:58 PM
Tvrdi and all involved: We are not AF sweepers. We almost never attack landing planes. Whenever we are above enemy AF we only attack planes at alt which are not landing. Attacking landing planes is very dangerous because of the AF defenses and we take every mission too seriously to easily lose our lives by doing that. And we allways proceed with mission goals first. I don't know why ValSteven wrote such a BS...what I wrote can be easily verified in those ntrk's you claim as evidence.

I am not too long in 312 but I'm very proud to be a member of this squad.

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Hunter82
02-19-2004, 06:47 PM
last time I checked there was no safe area in war....and no refly either. This could have and should have been handled in private...or even on the VEF forums where it could have been dealt with by the VEF admins. JMO

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ElAurens
02-19-2004, 07:12 PM
Wait wait wait...

In an online war you are safe if you put your wheels down?????

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That's the silliest thing I've heard today...

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arcadeace
02-19-2004, 07:30 PM
The author's post reveals more about him than the so-called offenders. He's not man enough according to bigger rules of decency to deal with this in private and instead tries to establish a forum of public humiliation. If I was online against Tvrdi and I had an opportunity to vulch, I know who I would go after.

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tttiger
02-19-2004, 07:44 PM
This is toooo funny.

It's one of several reasons I don't fly VEF or VOW *(and, yes, I gave both an extensive try) and, when I'm online, I stick to Coops. I've never heard anyone in a Coop whine becase they were shot while landing. If the bad guy is chasing you, either drag him through the ack or run away or call for help. You don't just turn on final and whine if he shoots you.

Why? Because Coop pilots don't keep track of scores. Most of us just want realistic missions and don't keep track of kills or deaths by the end of the day. Sure there's a scoreboard at the end of each mission, but there aren't any ladders. Ladders are where the problems start.

Realistic missions include ambushing the enemy at his airfield. It wasn't called "vulching" in WWII. They were called "intruder missions" and they were the primary tactic of planes like the Mosquito and the bf110G.

To VEF and VOW jocks, scores are everything, not realism. Where you stand on that ladder is all that counts. If you get killed, you lose points, so please don't shoot anyone with their wheeels down. What horse pucky! You want full real settings but then you don't want a full real fight.

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Mates_PES
02-20-2004, 12:37 AM
Heh, seems that some people dont know what is going on in VEF.

Anyway.. i was killed on laning several times and I havnet problem with it...remember like my mates waited on runway or long time, thatn Bf 109s come and killed 2 of our already nadet pilots. Nobody body from us has mannered like Tvrdi, no 1 hasnt nothing aginst the enemy. WHY? because it is virtual war. But if you want we can meet over Stalingrat at 5000 shake hands and go back home.
I will just repeat that the VEF comunity is realy fantastic and 85% has NO MERCY!!! They will kill you when they want. And that is great because of virtual war (no virtal love). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifD

any way Tvrdi: I gave you chance to bail if you remember... you were just laughing to me. So I used tactic "How to shot down Me 262". As you know Hurricane Mk. IIb is too small against F4.

To rest
see the mission here:
http://66.114.65.249/vov/singlemissionstat.php?missionid=14726

and here watch the Tvrdi‚¬īs word after the mission to me:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID38/1510.html

<S> to all virtual war pilots

MatuDa_
02-20-2004, 12:57 AM
If you land when the enemy is near then it is your mistake. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Also after 10 seconds on the field VEF counts the plane as landed (and pilot safe) even if someone vulches the plane. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif


Doh.

WUAF_Badsight
02-20-2004, 03:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
That man 312_Pes killed me in VEF when i was at the ground, in my base...landed...and was shooting at me before that when i was landing (gears down)....let it be said here cause more and more ppl are doing that....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

you play VEF , you are good to be killed at any time

its a war

PLEASE LEAVE WHAT HAPPENS IN A Dogfight ROOM OR A COOP AWAY FROM HERE

its bad form to bring this up here

ValSteven
02-20-2004, 03:15 AM
i don't think your "real war tactics" are wrong,war is war,i know it.
But for me,i'll not do that for ever.
if one day after 1942,we OKL have the 190s,it can fly longer,and the weapon is powerful...et.
and we just do some easy things like escort our bombers,wait you VVS fighters going home,and then,commencing attack.....
Do you guys think that make the AIR COMBAT NO SENSE!
At the first mission i flown with you 312 guys,
i feel very bad of your tactics,but,i saw you guys fighting at the same time,it's very nice.
So it's very hard to deside to love you guys or hate you guys :P
I'll take back what i said,Sry guys.