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Mitlov47
04-20-2004, 11:38 PM
In the past couple weeks I've fallen more and more in love with the Spitfire and Hurricane families. Good planes. Loads of character. I particularly get a kick out of the Spitfire LF clipped (when I actually want something brutally effective) and the Hurricane IIb (when I want some less serious--its motto is "so many guns, so little firepower").

So who out there really digs the RAF planes? You don't hear about them nearly as much as LW, VVS, or USAAF on these boards. What's your favorite plane and why?

And finally, a simple question--are the Gloucester Gladiator and B-239 British in origin, even though both are Finnish planes in the game? Are there any more aircraft in this game that are British in origin?

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Mitlov47
04-20-2004, 11:38 PM
In the past couple weeks I've fallen more and more in love with the Spitfire and Hurricane families. Good planes. Loads of character. I particularly get a kick out of the Spitfire LF clipped (when I actually want something brutally effective) and the Hurricane IIb (when I want some less serious--its motto is "so many guns, so little firepower").

So who out there really digs the RAF planes? You don't hear about them nearly as much as LW, VVS, or USAAF on these boards. What's your favorite plane and why?

And finally, a simple question--are the Gloucester Gladiator and B-239 British in origin, even though both are Finnish planes in the game? Are there any more aircraft in this game that are British in origin?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1082406218_spitfiresigsmall2.jpg

WUAF_Badsight
04-21-2004, 12:01 AM
about the J8A & B239 . . .

here is my little freind to help you out

G O O G L E

T_O_A_D
04-21-2004, 12:48 AM
I love the RAF planes! They are the only efective tools I have. The B-239 is American in origin not sure of the J8A Like Badsight pointed it www.google.com (http://www.google.com) Although I do remember a night I was quite effective in the B-239 against some Poor seeing (Badsight) Zero's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Erbriac
04-21-2004, 01:15 AM
Being a proud member of a virtual squadron which flew Hurris and Spits 60 years ago, there's no other choice for me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Even if there was any, I would not want to change. But sometimes I hop into a P38, but only because the Mosquito is not ready yet.

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ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 01:28 AM
I fly offline primarily and i love the Hurri MK11b A LOT.

Its mot so much "spray and pray" as "spray and spray"

Still, as a big RAF fan i love the Hurri IIc, completely at the other end of the spectrum to the earlier hurricanes in terms or armament. Those 4 hispanios make confetti out of anything that manages to turn into thier path.

Spit is great as well, can wait for the IX ect with the next patch.

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Dmitri9mm
04-21-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EMitton:
And finally, a simple question--are the Gloucester Gladiator and B-239 British in origin, even though both are Finnish planes in the game? Are there any more aircraft in this game that are British in origin?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unlike Badsight I only post replies when I really care http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif
The J8A is the british Gladiator Mk I with some slight ajustments - mainly in the cockpit. This was made in sweden, though I think there are some instruments of german origin too.
The B-239 is one of the export versions of the Brewster F2F carrier-borne fighter used by USN from the late thirties till 1942.
Different types saw action both with USN, the British and Netherlands air force, but the only place it was deployed succesfully was in the FAF, where it had a 26:1 kill ratio.
The finnish version is a bit different from the one operated by USN, most noticable is the gunsight, but it is essensially an american plane.
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konstantinl1
04-21-2004, 01:47 AM
I'm a big RAF fan. Not surprising since my grandpa was RAF during WWII and I was brought up on tales of daring in the sky!

What I really want is a flyable Mosquito or Typhoon.

leadbaloon
04-21-2004, 01:53 AM
I fly British a lot of the time, since AEP I've been in the Spitfire a lot, but I'm still a big fan of the Hurricane IIb, and don't find the firepower too problematic if the convergence is set right (303's are rarely, if ever, going to take a wing off, but they ignite the 109's and kill pilots really efficiently if aimed in the right place).

Cosmonaut.
04-21-2004, 04:51 AM
RAF fighters are awesome I'm on mission 27 of the Battle over Britain campaign and I'm luvin the Hurri. To bad I cant pull negative G in the MK 1940 version but its still a wild ride. Right now I'm flying the Spit a lot online and I have to say even with only a handful of cannon rounds I've had some of the most intense dog fights I've ever had in this sim. Fighting with the Spitfire is real up close and personal type fighting, sometimes I get so close to those 109's I could use a hand gun....that is of course if handguns were modeled in AEP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Extreme_One
04-21-2004, 05:03 AM
I'm English so OF COURSE I love RAF planes!!!

I'm loving the Spitfire and can';t wait for the MkIX.

I'm also really looking forward to the Brit cockpit for the Gladiator.

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DeerHunterUK
04-21-2004, 05:17 AM
My Squadron only flies the Hurricane Mk Ia in our virtual (Battle of France) campaign. Though when we've got a DF server up most on the allied side are seen in the Spitfire Mk V.

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Bull-Dog.
04-21-2004, 05:46 AM
When I was a boy I spent all my time and money building plastic models of WW2 A/C. My brother and I would build play cockpits and pretend to be Spitfire pilots. Now 45 years after building my first model, I now fly a Spitfire and love it no mater how often I get shot down.

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Inadaze
04-21-2004, 05:47 AM
I love the RAF planes! I've only flown the Spit since I got AEP, I love that plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I can't wait for BOB, even if I've got to sell a kidney to do it I'm gonna upgrade when it comes out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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NorrisMcWhirter
04-21-2004, 06:20 AM
Hi,

I never much liked the Hurri, even when it was uber in the original.

The Spit, however, is a different beast and, like someone already said, dogfights always turn out sweaty with this bird..mostly cos you know you have to wait for a real chance before expending that limited ammo.

I'm not sure if the Hispanos were really that effective but they certainly seem to cause more damage than the LW version (as stated in another thread).

Even though I fly LW almost exclusively, there's really nothing like putting one up the 'sausage squad' (re:Monty Python) with the Spit!

Cheers,
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VW-IceFire
04-21-2004, 07:15 AM
Favorite plane in the RAF is the Tempest. Then the Typhoon and then the Spitfire XIV. Although not entirely necessarily in that order.

I can't wait to have any of those...been waiting for a long time so I hope they make it. Spit XIV will let us tangle with everything in the late war theater and beat them...Tempest will be faster and heavier armed than most that we'll take it against so that'll be a deadly force and the Typhoon can destroy vehicles, armored units, and airbases with reckless abandon.

People will like the IX alot. Double the cannon ammo and more speed.

P.S. Yes Hispanos were more powerful than MG151/20. The simple answer is because they were bigger (longer than the MG151/20 shell - also why they are carried in less number).

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WARHorse82
04-21-2004, 08:44 AM
I absolutely adore the Hurri!It's always been my favorite fighter next to the P-40.It's just a work-horse of a plane,what else is there to say.

hotspace
04-21-2004, 09:29 AM
I think folk's here knows that I would DIE for the Spit XIV http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Although more Brit/U.S Bomber's would be just as good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DONB3397
04-21-2004, 09:53 AM
I suspect one reason we love RAF is the range of references, books and film available on the subject (in the West). The Spit was my first serious "stick model" and my library now includes at least a dozen books, including tech manuals, on this bird.

So here comes FB's Hurricane, Spitfire, Blenheim, etc., and then the creative mission-builders in this community (Extreme One, Poymando, Hot Space and others) give us realistic scenarios to act out. Even the comms are British, thanks to NESTLA and his friends.

Now, we're promised BoB (whatever the final title becomes).

So, if you're interested in WWII sims and RAF history...life is good. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BuzzU
04-21-2004, 10:12 AM
Next in line after the P-51 is the Spitfire for my favorite planes. I love the Spits. I look forward to the IX and XIV. I believe the LW will be hating life when they show up.

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Egan2.0
04-21-2004, 10:50 AM
The Hurri MK1 is probably my favourate 'plane in the game. There's just something about it... Probably comes from reading 'Fighter Pilot' by Paul Richey when i was younger. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Monty_Thrud
04-21-2004, 11:06 AM
Er...yes i do quite like the Hurricane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif...as a kid i adored her and like so many younguns do, made many a model of her and the spitfire(another favourite)...love the Blenheim too and the Gladiator and i also cant wait for the Mosquito and other Brit planes...my main hack offline is the MkIIb Hurricane and MkI, and if those guns are modelled correctly, the RAF pilots make superman look ghey http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif, Now if we can just get the bombs & rockets for the Hurricanes i can see missions with Spitfires escorting Hurri-Bombers to give jerry a bloody nose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif shweet...we can but dream.
So thank you Oleg and team for allowing a childhood dream come virtually true.

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WOLFMondo
04-21-2004, 11:17 AM
Bull-Dog, I was exactly the same, I was 10 and building a plane a week...still not sure what my parents did with them when I moved out 10 or so years ago but my pride and joy was a 1:24th scale Hawker Typhoon.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Favorite plane in the RAF is the Tempest. Then the Typhoon and then the Spitfire XIV. Although not entirely necessarily in that order.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gotta love the lines of the Tempest, its one brutal plane. The more I read about it the more I want to see it in FB but I'd also really like to see the XIV cause for me thats the most best looking Spitfire going and after hearing one, it sounds the best as well, that griffon sound is like nothing else on earth.

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altstiff
04-21-2004, 11:18 AM
I love them to death. When I fly them I feel like Tuck or Bader http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Only wish they could carry bombs or rockets to make them 100% complete.

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Snow_Wolf_
04-21-2004, 11:36 AM
I love the Spitfire Mk VB 1941 it rocks when u get a good fight going against the 109 F series

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Black Sheep
04-21-2004, 11:48 AM
That's a great idea there Monty_Thrud - Spits escorting bombed-up Hurricanes on a strike mission, I really do hope the RAF birds get some ordinance in the patch.

Further along, it would be great to see the Tempest and Typhoon in - the latter was a great fighter/bomber, loved flying them in EAW.

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compass1
04-21-2004, 02:11 PM
The Spitfire was once described as being "like a dandy's jewelled rapier" a stunning combination of grace and power. Yes it was short on range but not on charisma. Next it has to be the Mosquito which took the war directly to the Gestapo in many brave and inspiring raids, and the Lanc whose massive bomb carrying capability made it a natural for specialized targets.British designs may not have been the best all rounders but they were used in some of the most interesting raids of the war.

DeerHunterUK
04-21-2004, 02:20 PM
I think the best quote about the Spitfire is still Gerald Stapleton, a Spitfire pilot from 603 Squadron whilst talking to a captured Me-109 pilot during the Battle of Britain;
"Do you know why the Spitfire is a better plane than the 109?"
"No" came the reply
"Because any idiot can fly a Spitfire."

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Black Sheep
04-21-2004, 02:24 PM
Deerhunter, I assume you've read his biography - 'Stapme' - written by David Ross in collaboration with Gerald Stapleton himself ?

If not, I thoroughly recommend it, a very entertaining and informative read...

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DeerHunterUK
04-21-2004, 02:47 PM
I must admit Moo that I haven't read his book. When I saw the interview with Gerald I thought that he had a damn sharp rapier-like wit. Thanks for the tip, I'll certainly keep my eye out for it.

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SeaFireLIV
04-21-2004, 02:54 PM
Of course, the Hurricane`s a great plane and did the most work in BOB. I`ll forgive those who may not like Hurricane (if not a Brit), but I dares anyone to say they don`t admire the Spitfire, whether British or not! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

oh yea, another reason you don`t hear much about Brit planes is cos we appreciate what we have and don`t whine so much (unfortunately it does mean we get left till last as is evident...).

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Inadaze
04-21-2004, 03:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
oh yea, another reason you don`t hear much about Brit planes is cos we appreciate what we have and don`t whine so much (unfortunately it does mean we get left till last as is evident...).

SeaFireLIV...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, sadly true. Keep the upper lips stiff and that.

I like the hurri in the library http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Good hint :-)

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DONB3397
04-21-2004, 03:23 PM
"And now I see with eye
serene/The very pulse of
the machine;/A being
breathing thoughtful
breath,/ A Traveller
between life and death;
the reason firm, the
temperate will,
Endurance, foresight,
strength and skill;/A
perfect Woman, nobly
planned,/To warn, to
comfort, and command;
And yet a Spirit still, and
bright/With something of
angelic light."

Spitfire? In this context, perhaps; it was included in Philip Caplan's book, THE FEW, beside a photo showing three Spits in a perfect "V" against the sky. Couldn't resist.

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Yeti76
04-21-2004, 04:05 PM
I agree Seafire and Inadaze, that great british reserve is holding us back.

What I really cant understand is why with 3 Normandy maps the RAF is overshadowed by the USAF.
Id love to see the mosquito flyable in this game - the idea of co-op or historically based mosi missions - especially with a high ranking Nazi boasting that the RAF will never bomb the motherland, or how about pathfinding as 617 did for the massed night bomber offensives with Lancs and Halifax.
But Im sure well get something soon after yet another 109/190 and obscure Jet/USAF and the entire pacific theatre.

"Spitfire..just the sort of bloody silly name they would choose" - R.J Mitchell

Inadaze
04-21-2004, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Yeti76:
I agree Seafire and Inadaze, that great british reserve is holding us back.

What I really cant understand is why with 3 Normandy maps the RAF is overshadowed by the USAF.
Id love to see the mosquito flyable in this game - the idea of co-op or historically based mosi missions - especially with a high ranking Nazi boasting that the RAF will never bomb the motherland, or how about pathfinding as 617 did for the massed night bomber offensives with Lancs and Halifax.
But Im sure well get something soon after yet another 109/190 and obscure Jet/USAF and the entire pacific theatre.

"Spitfire..just the sort of bloody silly name they would choose" - R.J Mitchell<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you all the way on the Mossie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Fantastic aircraft. Defintaely one of my faves.

Part of me feels guilty about having a whine, after all we're getting Battle of Britain! Which will have more RAF stuff than we can shake a stick at! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I've heard rumours that the Commonwealth forces are going to get due respect in Pacific Fighters too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

In a perverse way I've enjoyed the wait for the Spit, it's like being a kid waiting for Christmas again. Even better, I really like the way it flies in the game. From the descriptions of how the real planes flew it seems right. I was waiting to be dissapointed with it, but it comes over as being a pilots plane more in IL2 than any other sim I've ever flown a Spit in.

Roll on the patch I say http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Mitlov47
04-21-2004, 06:56 PM
Here's a question about the Spitfire and Hurricane's engine:

Why is it that when they get hit, they spin faster and faster and faster (until they snap) instead of bogging down slower and slower like most aircraft?

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tttiger
04-21-2004, 08:15 PM
First, my usual grumble about people who are too lazy to look something up. It's in the viewer in the game, fer cryin out loud! And use Google and you'll find tons on the internet.

That said, I've set up a Burma early 1942 DCG campaign using the Brewsters. (That's one of the nice things about DCG, you can make up your own campaigns). I use the Kuban map and it's a good substitute. The Crimea map would work well, too.

The British Brewsters retreated to Burma after Singapore fell. The Dutch pilots took their Brewsters and flew with the RAF in Burma after the Dutch colonies fell. Both are historically accurate in this campaign.

There are some really great RAF and Dutch Brewster skins at IL-2 skins.

The Brewster is one nasty little plane (it performed better than the Wildcat but the US Navy went with the Wildact because the Brewster's landing gear wasn't adequate for carrier operations). They gave the Brewsters to the Marines for use as land-based fighters.

It's a fun plane to fight early Zeroes in. It will even give the late model A6Ms a fight. I realize there were no Japanese Navy planes in Burma, but we don't have Oscars (yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).

ttt

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WOLFMondo
04-22-2004, 12:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by compass1:
andthe Lanc whose massive bomb carrying capability made it a natural for specialized targets.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it was good for any target but its ability to carry weapons like the Grand Slam and tallboy made it really special.

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aero6
04-22-2004, 01:28 AM
Sorry if this is a real DUMB question. Don't know how to do a "google" on this one.
Thought this would be a good place to ask though.

I thought the British aircraft(non-fuel injected)motors would cut out when pulling negative G's?

Is this not true?
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Catoblepus
04-22-2004, 01:59 AM
There u go aero6..

Everything you need to know is here...

http://www.spitfiresociety.demon.co.uk/engines.htm

aero6
04-22-2004, 02:14 AM
Right, it confirms what I said:

quoting your link:
"One of the great problems as discerned by pilots was the tendency for the carburetted engine to cut out under negative 'g'. Luftwaffe pilots learned to escape by simply pushing the nose of their aircraft down into a dive, as their fuel- injected engines did not cut out under these circumstances. Many authors have criticised this aspect of the Merlin design."

My question is why is this not modeled? Pretty significant isn't it?

WTE_Ibis
04-22-2004, 02:53 AM
Superb aircraft,Spit,Mozzi and Lanc,
and may I say Aussies flew them all
in defence of the Realm and their
contribution to bomber command was
second to none.G for George stands proudly
in Canberra's war memorial.She flew an
amazing 90 missions over Germany for
RAAF 460 Squadron.Info,"G for George" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif on Google.

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Inadaze
04-22-2004, 05:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by aero6:
Right, it confirms what I said:

quoting your link:
"One of the great problems as discerned by pilots was the tendency for the carburetted engine to cut out under negative 'g'. Luftwaffe pilots learned to escape by simply pushing the nose of their aircraft down into a dive, as their fuel- injected engines did not cut out under these circumstances. Many authors have criticised this aspect of the Merlin design."

My question is why is this not modeled? Pretty significant isn't it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Aero,

It is modeled. Take out an early Hurricane in the quick mission builder. Push its nose towards the deck and it'll cut out. After 1941 Merlins had a Valve which stopped the fuel backwashing and starving the engine.

"By 1941 Miss Tilly Shilling in Farnborough had developed a partial cure for the problem. A diaphragm across the float chambers with a calibrated hole (the infamous "Miss Shilling's orifice"!) allowed negative 'g' manouvres, and was fitted as standard from March 1941. Sustained zero 'g' manouvres were not sorted out until somewhat later. In 1942 an anti-g version of the SU carburetor was fitted to single and two-stage Merlins. 1943 saw the introduction of the Bendix-Stromburg carburetor which injected fuel at 5psi through a nozzle direct into the supercharger and was fitted to the Merlins 66, 70, 76, 77, and 85. The final development was the SU injection carburetor which injected fuel into the supercharger using a fuel pump driven as a fuction of crankshaft speed and engine pressures, which was fitted to the 100 series Merlins."

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compass1
04-22-2004, 12:33 PM
Only the earliest marks of Spitfire suffered negative g cutout by the time of the Mark v the problem was solved by a lady called Mrs Scilling who worked in the carburretor division at Rolls Royce and worked out that a small hole in the float alleviated the problem. Naturally this was forever known as "Mrs Schillings Orifice"

compass1
04-22-2004, 12:37 PM
You beat me to it-and it was better written.

Mitlov47
04-22-2004, 12:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tttiger:
First, my usual grumble about people who are too lazy to look something up. It's in the viewer in the game, fer cryin out loud!
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I read the descriptions of the Hurricane Mk I, Hurricane MkIIb, and Spitfire, and couldn't find anything on this...?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1082406218_spitfiresigsmall2.jpg

aero6
04-22-2004, 01:17 PM
Thank you, now it is clear.

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