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HayateKid
03-21-2004, 07:41 AM
Is there a Ki-84 fan club here. I'd like to sign up.

HayateKid
03-21-2004, 07:41 AM
Is there a Ki-84 fan club here. I'd like to sign up.

Maple_Tiger
03-21-2004, 07:58 AM
You must be joking right?


Im sorry i just had to say that. I dont think there is a Hayate fan club, atleast not yet anway. There some people who realy like the KI-84 and mayby sometime soon a Hayate fan club will be started.

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SKY_BOSS
03-21-2004, 09:34 AM
Thought Hayate was joking. Then took a better look at his name. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VW-IceFire
03-21-2004, 09:39 AM
Well there ARE lots of people who like to fly it online. Its actually quite a fighter and I don't mind flying it. Its fast, manuverable, and carries some nice firepower...an excellent all around plane to fly. Very dangerous in a fight.

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SKY_BOSS
03-21-2004, 09:45 AM
O ya they are like roach's online. Servers full of them.

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03-21-2004, 09:51 AM
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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 10:00 AM
People 'round these parts seem to think that the Ki-84 (particularly the C model) is "门揵er".

I can't see why. I ran a server last night for several hours and all of blue were in Ki-84c's and we on red were kicking their asses.

The La7 out turned them with ease. The Spit CW ('43) danced right with them, and even the P-38 was having great success with them.

It was an all '44 server, save for a few '43 planes. Nearly all of blue was blanked. Only JimmyGiro and BP_Rocket had any points on blue.

The Ki can only turn truly well when it's going fast enough that black outs happen. They do not like going slow. And the La7 (at least) will out climb them.

So what's the big deal about the Ki's? http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/shrug.gif

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CaptainGelo
03-21-2004, 10:01 AM
Ki-84 fan club (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=661109582)<<<I'm a member of that fan club... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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HayateKid
03-21-2004, 10:04 AM
I've tried a lot of planes. Then one night i used the hayate. Shot down 2 p-38's, 1 p-63, and 1 p-51 (with assist from another hayate), before finally crashing on the way back to base with engine smoking and 1 p-63, and 1 p-51 in pursuit, and a p-47 B&Zing me. I fell in love & decided to take on a new name. From now on I will be "The Hayate Kid". Yaaaa!!!

XyZspineZyX
03-21-2004, 10:12 AM
It's really very simple.

Almost ALL Ki-84 fans are people who want to fly a 'Japanese ueber plane' but don't have the chops to fly a Zero, like most of the Japanese aces did.

By the time the Hayate appeared on the scene, Japan had already lost. Pilot quality was way, way down, and so was the quality of the plane itself, due to manufacturing pressures brought about by bombing Japanese industry.

So, the idealized Ki-84s which you guys fly by the dozens are just not very representative of anything but that "factory-fresh" prototype spec that we all tend to think is a bit too optimistic for the flight models of our "tried and tested" planes.

If you want to be a Japanese ace, get in a Zero or a Oscar or maybe a Tony, and get good in that.

If not, you're just another ueberplane wannabe.

SKY_BOSS
03-21-2004, 10:15 AM
Looks like Stiglr hit the nail right on the head. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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noshens
03-21-2004, 10:43 AM
There is a ki84 hate club, all are welcome to join http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

crazyivan1970
03-21-2004, 10:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
I've tried a lot of planes. Then one night i used the hayate. Shot down 2 p-38's, 1 p-63, and 1 p-51 (with assist from another hayate), before finally crashing on the way back to base with engine smoking and 1 p-63, and 1 p-51 in pursuit, and a p-47 B&Zing me. I fell in love & decided to take on a new name. From now on I will be "The Hayate Kid". Yaaaa!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ajafoofoo
03-21-2004, 10:59 AM
No, he got it all wrong.

I can see the ki84c being a bit nubbish. But the other two versions are just as if not more difficult to fly than the las or yak3s that everyone still flys online.

In cockpit only you have that lame top frame that almost always lines up over enemy and blocks your view of an enemy when in a turn fight.

The la5fn-7 and yak3 both seem to turn slightly better.

The las and yak3s are still the ultimate nub planes when it comes to one on one fights.

noshens
03-21-2004, 11:02 AM
No they are not. Ki surpasses all of those planes except speed for la7. Plus it got excellent high speed nanuverability.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ajafoofoo:
The las and yak3s are still the ultimate nub planes when it comes to one on one fights.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

VW-IceFire
03-21-2004, 11:07 AM
Crazyivan: Aye...put VFC Korolov in a P-38 and there is virtually no plane he can't shoot down and that includes the Ki-84. The man is an expert pilot on the P-38. Charged into battle with a A6M5 with one engine shot to pieces and he lived! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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CaptainGelo
03-21-2004, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Crazyivan: Aye...put VFC Korolov in a P-38 and there is virtually no plane he can't shoot down and that includes the Ki-84. The man is an expert pilot on the P-38. Charged into battle with a A6M5 with one engine shot to pieces and he lived! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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p38 is overmodelt!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 11:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
No they are not. Ki surpasses all of those planes except speed for la7. Plus it got excellent high speed nanuverability.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ajafoofoo:
The las and yak3s are still the ultimate nub planes when it comes to one on one fights.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Take a look at my post above.

There is nothing special about the Ki-84, any of them. They are not that difficult to shoot down.

Why is everyone so up in arms about this plane?

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crazyivan1970
03-21-2004, 11:28 AM
Beats me DDT.
We had a COOP last night, 8 P-63 and 8 IL-2s vs 12Franks, i think 6a`s and 6b`s ... I say P-63`s dominated the fight hands down. Hell i even shot down 3 and collided with one haha.

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 11:31 AM
Maybe nobody can fly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
03-21-2004, 12:00 PM
KI fan club? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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HayateKid
03-21-2004, 12:14 PM
Mr Miyagi say: It hurts ego too much to be beaten by a noob.

chris455
03-21-2004, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Mr Miyagi say: It hurts ego too much to be beaten by a noob.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you tried the Tie Fighter yet? It's even better than the Hayate.Well.......almost. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 01:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Mr Miyagi say: It hurts ego too much to be beaten by a noob.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And that may well be the true heart of the matter. lol

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AFJ_Locust
03-21-2004, 01:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HayateKid:
Is there a Ki-84 fan club here. I'd like to sign up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Bull_dog_
03-21-2004, 02:09 PM
I think every person here has shot down a Ki here and there...my favorite Ki killer is becoming the P-63 because I don't like flying the other uber plane...La-7...oh yeah the Luftwaffe got a couple now too...109K & Z...the P-63 is the closest the allies have (just wait till the spit mk IX and XIV come out...I can hear the Ki fans crying foul already he he)

Problem with the Ki is it is too good at everything...yes there are aircraft that can out turn it (spit & yak 3)...yes a 109K can out climb it...a La 7 can out run it...I'm not sure anything can out roll it...maybe the Dora or Mustang has better high speed elevator authority (big maybe)...I'm not sure anything can out dive it...it is fast up high and fast down low (which is total bs) and now we've armed it with uber cannons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Its just too good at everything...no chink in the armor. No plane to my knowledge was great at everything...the Mustang was one of the best balances but it did have its limitations due to weight and laminar wings.

The damage model fries me most... I lit one up with my P-38 yesterday and the ki promptly barrel rolled onto my six (fire was out by then) and blew both booms off with the uber cannons....that burst would have knocked almost any aircraft out of the sky and the fire burned all of 3 seconds and after killing me, the pilot just landed... the term "clown wagon" was brought up before...somehow this seems fitting

JG6_Oddball
03-21-2004, 02:41 PM
since i first saw the zero i have wondered ...why are there PTO planes in a ETO game?

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TooCooL34
03-21-2004, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG6_Oddball:
since i first saw the zero i have wondered ...why are there PTO planes in a ETO game?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You already know why.
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RedDeth
03-21-2004, 03:23 PM
KI-84 was always accurate. its supposed to be awesome unbeatable below 4000 meters. and up to 6000 meters it should be as good as any plane.

but its overmodelled above 6000 meters. so it should roll dive and go like heck at these altitudes.

the problem is they now put giant cannons on a great plane. and it blows up anything.

im not sure the ki84c ever saw production? but i do know the ki84b might be accurate as the 61 had two 12.7 guns and 4 20s.

the damage model on ki84 is way overdone too. the armor that was put on it didnt work and the selfsealing tanks they added were in reality ineffective.

all that being said the ki84 should still be the top plane at or below 4000 meters hands down. its just over the top to put the C cannons on it.

but you want real uber then the 109Z with FOUR MK108 CANNONS + ONE MK103 CANNON blows the ki84C away. plus the 109Z climbs as good as a K4 and can run away from any plane in the game except a jet. period.

the 109Z is ten times worse than the ki84C and it never even saw production

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 04:01 PM
"门揵er" this, "门揵er" that, "门揵er" everything.

What is it with this place. Why is any plane that is good, "门揵er"? (for that matter, why are words like that and "whine" so horribly mis-used? You'd think nobody has ever taken basic language courses as part of basic schooling)

Wanna talk damage models? Explain to me why the P-38 can take something like 5 or more Mk103 hits and keep going. Explain to me why that bloody Yak3 can take 3 of the same and keep going.

Face it, the DM in this whole series of games has always been hosed. Thoroughly and royally hosed. From the 190s that were PK'd anytime a soviet plane, anywhere, fired it's guns, to the insta-killed engine on the P-47 (one of, if not the, toughest engines, and planes, to see service in the war), to the mega strong, adamantium made engines on the MiGs Yaks and Las of patches past.

Regarding performance...do you guys have a different add on than me? The Ki-84 *hates* being slow, and it isn't all that stellar of a climber. And turn rate is good, but not amazing.

It has big guns.......and? What about the Hispanos on the Hurri and Spits? What about the 3 20's on the La7? What about the pulse lasers that pass for nearly all soviet guns? Rates of fire that approach the A-10's Avenger cannon at full speed, and next to zero drop off. The rounds might be weaker than some other large cannon, but they are far easier to hit with, and even the Yak3 will pop P-47s like balloons. What about the 45mm Yak?

Every argument you guys have thrown out about it's supposed "门揵er-ness" has been bunk, and/or not applicable merely to the plane in question (and therefor bunk as well).

If you just can't beat it, fly a different plane, go to a different server, or host your own. Really pretty simple.

Few people have railed harder against FMs than me, in the beginning, but, I think you'll find, if you really pay attention, over the multitude of patches and add ons, the FMs have really gotten much better overall and are closer to dead on than they have ever been. Right now it's just issues of certain planes being too slow thanks to successful lobbying, and other certain planes being a bit too optimistic (and were so from day 1), but it's all very slight. Just work around it.

Are you guys not going to be happy until every plane behaves like it's running on 1 pistion and armed only with the pilots bad words?


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BTW - I don't fly it. I don't care for the Japanese planes (except to shoot them down).

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
the 109Z is ten times worse than the ki84C and it never even saw production<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once again I'll point out that Oleg had said (on the old forum) that the 109Z was very sound aerodynamically and would be very easy to make an accurate FM for. So I guess you'll have to take it up with him. Good luck getting more than "you is wrong" from him though.

But, do consider this - tip vorticies are serious drag producers. The 109 (all models) were exemplary climbers. The 109Z is 2 109s, but, instead of having 10 total tip voticies, it has 4. The right hand side chassis is cleaner than a standard 109 thanks to the pit cover. And the drag from the cowling guns is also removed with the cowlings smoothed out. It should also be lighter than 2 109s, given that that center wing section is smaller and should have less metal than 2 109 wings.

So what you have it far less drag, and better thrust to weight, than 2 discreet 109s. Is it really any surprise that it's fast and climbs well?

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grist
03-21-2004, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:

Almost ALL Ki-84 fans are people who want to fly a 'Japanese ueber plane' but don't have the chops to fly a Zero, like most of the Japanese aces did.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Maybe they are IJ Army fans.

Korolov
03-21-2004, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Crazyivan: Aye...put VFC Korolov in a P-38 and there is virtually no plane he can't shoot down and that includes the Ki-84. The man is an expert pilot on the P-38. Charged into battle with a A6M5 with one engine shot to pieces and he lived! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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JG6_Oddball
03-21-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooCooL34:


You already know why.
Yes, FB is ETO(Earth Theater of Operation) sim now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

good one toocool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

as for the 109Z...cmon guys the plane is a RIOT! this game has not made me laff this much in a long time, have you flown it? and watch what happens when u hit something with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif you dont shoot planes down with it...you reduce them to sub atomic particles http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, some one went HEAD to HEAD with me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif I pulled the trigger once and flew thru...well it soounded like hail hitting my plane http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif thats all that was left of there plane, realistic or not it's just fun to have planes like that for the comedic relief.

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RedDeth
03-21-2004, 07:21 PM
........"But, do consider this - tip vorticies are serious drag producers. The 109 (all models) were exemplary climbers. The 109Z is 2 109s, but, instead of having 10 total tip voticies, it has 4. The right hand side chassis is cleaner than a standard 109 thanks to the pit cover. And the drag from the cowling guns is also removed with the cowlings smoothed out. It should also be lighter than 2 109s, given that that center wing section is smaller and should have less metal than 2 109 wings.

So what you have it far less drag, and better thrust to weight, than 2 discreet 109s. Is it really any surprise that it's fast and climbs well?"............

yes blitzpig i understood all that already. i told everyone its one and a half 109s but 2 109 engines. this is my point though. if everyone is going to whine about a plane it should be the 109Z not the ki84C.

COUGH............quack. i just didnt think i needed to spell out why the Z is better . basically agree with all you stated. CARRY ON.

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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 08:14 PM
The point is, if it's "accurate" (either to how it was, or how it would be) that's all that matters. Why kvetch about a plane that is modeled well?

This is the kind of thing that ruins sims. Devs make accurate representations and publishers and user "communities" piss and moan until everything is "fair" and/or the more powerful planes are removed or simply not added.

It's war, some planes are going to be better than others. Just host maps without it, or learn to beat it.

What's the problem? http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/shrug.gif

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BuzzU
03-21-2004, 08:32 PM
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XyZspineZyX
03-21-2004, 09:26 PM
Sorry, DDT, I beg to differ.

Back in IL-2, most planes *seemed* to be at least fairly well modelled, in relation to each other, with a few, and only a few obvious exceptions.

Ever since then, it's been a whole slew of problems, corrections, corrections to corrections, and all the time we're told the FMs "are right, be sure".

WUAF_Badsight
03-21-2004, 09:28 PM
FB will never be anything like a FPS

if you frequent DF rooms you have no right to be arguing for historical accuracy

as for this "HayateKid"

he has a total of 3 posts ..... hes from UBI already & is using a alias ........ just a fishing thread


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BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Sorry, DDT, I beg to differ.

Back in IL-2, most planes *seemed* to be at least fairly well modelled, in relation to each other, with a few, and only a few obvious exceptions.

Ever since then, it's been a whole slew of problems, corrections, corrections to corrections, and all the time we're told the FMs "are right, be sure".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

IL2 Demo and out of box was good - for it's day. But proceeded to get all kinds of fecked up under direction from Ubisoft and the screaming of the so-called fans.

It's now, finally recovering, and getting better.

FB 1.0 was fantastic. Several planes were hosed (like the P-47), and a few minor issues were present, but all in all, the was worlds better than IL2, even at it's height.

The problem is people don't realize it. Because they equate difficulty with realism. Your comment suggests that you do as well.

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WUAF_Badsight
03-21-2004, 09:40 PM
are you kidding ?

FB v 1.0 was unbelieveable

do i need to say Bf109 K4 ?

do i need to say Hurricane ?

do i need to say LA-7 durability ?

BlitzPig_DDT
03-21-2004, 10:33 PM
What about the K4?

The La series has always been hosed. How much worse could it have been than wooden Yak3s taking 3 hits of high engery 30mm HE rounds?

Hurricanes were meat on the table. Perhaps you couldn't well enough to deal with them? http://www.blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/shrug.gif (never flew with you, have no idea)

All slow flying planes had that climb bug. The Hurri's were not anything special in that regard either.

However, 1.0 could be summed up in 1 word. Energy. Planes finally had it and could use it like they should have always been able to.

But of course everyone *****ed. And it has been chipped away at bit by bit.

AEP, bringing us back to another dot zero release is also great. Minor problems here and there, but, I fear the same pattern again.

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Bartsimpson-
03-21-2004, 10:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yay1:
There is a ki84 hate club, all are welcome to join http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where do i sign ?

Bartman .

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Slammin_
03-21-2004, 10:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
are you kidding ?

FB v 1.0 was unbelieveable

do i need to say Bf109 K4 ?

do i need to say Hurricane ?

do i need to say LA-7 durability ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You forgot that one shot two kill Yak monster from back then!

WUAF_Badsight
03-21-2004, 11:42 PM
the Bf109 K4 had . U N B E L I E V E A B L E . climb in v1.0

i got v1.0 & v2.0 on this computer

set the K4 pitch on manuel & you can use 110% power even in a dive at 700 km/h

it was INSANE

& yes i flew the Hurricane as well & it was overmoddeled in EVERYTHING except for stalls .....
they were spot on

oh 7 the guns hit like late model Hispanos but what the hell Hispanos were just about the best A2A Df cannon in WW2

LEXX_Luthor
03-21-2004, 11:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>the Bf109 K4 had . U N B E L I E V E A B L E . climb in v1.0<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And Fb109 Email outclimbed K4

And I~16 outclimbed Email

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Korolov
03-22-2004, 12:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
And Fb109 Email outclimbed K4

And I~16 outclimbed Email
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Man, I wish my E-mail climbed that fast.

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flyingskid2
03-22-2004, 09:32 AM
I played ki-84 last night. Shot down 3x by a spit. Never got a kill. Finally disconnected in disgust after I stalled and crashed when i tried to turn after a p-38. What are you guys talking about. I suck just the same when in a Ki-84.