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Destroyer110
03-25-2004, 04:39 AM
Interesting maybe?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/1banzi.trk

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/bz.jpg

Destroyer110
03-25-2004, 04:39 AM
Interesting maybe?

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/1banzi.trk

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hastati/bz.jpg

Xiolablu3
03-25-2004, 07:23 PM
WHat is that???

I just get a link to an.ini file??

Cedhed
03-25-2004, 07:55 PM
Just rename the file "1banzi.trk.txt" to "1banzi.trk". Then copy it to your Forgotten battles\records directory. Then play it in IL-2 and you should be good

Mozilla and IE don't like unknown file types and tend to treat them ast text files.

redlte
03-25-2004, 08:05 PM
For the true story of the German Suicide pilots, pick up a book in the Cassell Military Paperback Series, THE LAST FLIGHT OF THE LUFTWAFFE, subtitled "The Suicide Attack on the Eighth Air Force, 7 April 1945", by Adrian Weir. Fascinating reading!

Destroyer110
03-26-2004, 10:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by redlte:
For the true story of the German Suicide pilots, pick up a book in the Cassell Military Paperback Series, THE LAST FLIGHT OF THE LUFTWAFFE, subtitled "The Suicide Attack on the Eighth Air Force, 7 April 1945", by Adrian Weir. Fascinating reading!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean there actually was German suicide pilots? I'll have to try to find that book.

The Japanese had their purpose built suicide flying bombs, I thought the germans might have done something similar but with an ejection seat ... knowing how much less the German's loved Hitler as did the Japanese to their emperor.

In this game I've destroyed 16 B17 in one hit .. the sky was a flame with smoke and bits of aircraft .. obviously the MistEL wasn't that powerful in real life.

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Loco-S
03-26-2004, 10:51 PM
4000 lbs of high explosive can make some serious damage....

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MustangWZI
03-27-2004, 03:08 AM
I believe it was called "Operation Warewolf". Very shocking first time I read about it.

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Gershy
03-27-2004, 04:41 AM
The only time I know of when Germans used suicide pilots was when they wanted to destroy the bridges over the Oder to prevent the russians from crossing. They told the Pilots that the bridges have to be destroyed at any cost.

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plumps_
03-27-2004, 10:41 AM
The name of the anti-bomber suicide mission was "Schulungslehrgang Elbe".

Destroyer110, the track will be easier to download if you put it into a zip file.

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NegativeGee
03-27-2004, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
The only time I know of when Germans used suicide pilots was when they wanted to destroy the bridges over the Oder to prevent the russians from crossing. They told the Pilots that the bridges have to be destroyed at any cost.
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Thats my take on it too. The action detailed in "The Last Flight of the Luftwaffe" was not a suicide mission- the pilots were to ram the US bombers to bring them down, but the pilot was given at least a chance of survival, as the aim was to remove the tail fin of the bomber with the prop disc. After the ramming attack, the pilot was to bail out. Off course, the risk was such that many did perish.

Where as the attacks on the Oder bridgeheads (mid April 1945) were missions that offered the pilot no chance of survival- the aim was to fly their plane laden with bomb(s) into the (partially submerged) pontoon bridges. See Berlin: The Downfall 1945 by Anthony Beevor.

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JG4_Rivercube
03-27-2004, 04:18 PM
Hi,

there were several groups of Rammj¤ger or Sturmgruppen like IV/JG3 and JG4. They flew heavy armored FW 190 A8 and have to underwrite that they at least shot down one bomber - if not possible with guns then with ramming.

Regards

Rivercube

JG4 what else

SUPERAEREO
03-27-2004, 06:33 PM
The Sonderkommando Einhorn was created as a suicide unit: its pilots were sworn to destroy allied ships in the event of an invasion, but it was felt that their chances of success flying Fw.190's were not high enough to justify the loss of their lives, since the payload in explosives was considered too small to guarantee a sure kill.

Ironically, many of these would-be suicide pilots escaped the fate of many of their "normal" LW comrades who were sent to fight and die against the hordes of allied aircraft bombing Germany.

The manned version of the V-1 was also to be piloted by suicide volunteers, of course, this time joined to KG 200, but the weapon never saw service.

S!



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Chuck Yaeger

WWMaxGunz
03-27-2004, 07:13 PM
Well for ramming they had seen examples of that work. Russian pilots did that to German bombers in the early East Front. The move was named "Taran" after the first pilot to do it IIRC. Some Russians did multiple successful Taran attacks. IIRC one even did at least 2 in the same mission. The sketch I saw based on descriptions showed the Taran being made by striking the bomber on top with the belly of the attacking plane so it's not a direct ramming if that's correct.

Hey, when someone is bombing your home and your people when your fighters have trouble keeping up even, it's time to get wild!


Neal