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nixon-fiend.
05-27-2004, 04:39 AM
Hi guys. I need a couple of pointers.

I want to upgrade all my sh*t this summer.. first up I want a new JS.

My logitech extreme is fine i suppose, I can shoot down most people online and it's still in one piece.
(I don't believe the b*tching about this thing, it's great for 25)

Anyways.. I want to up the ante and get something more precise and quality. I took a look at the cougar but I ain't dumb enough to spend 240 on a stick.

I am however, dumb enough to spend around 100 ($190)
And the CH flighterstick and combatstick have caught my attention..
Does anyone have one of these - what dyou think bout them?

Furthermore, I read in a review they have 3 axes.. now, would i be correct in assuming this means they have a twist-rudder control? or did i miss an axis out? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

^ I do want a twist-rudder - it's cheaper than pedals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

are there any other sticks in this price range that people can recommend?

(I don't want any FFB stuff or that x45 abomination)

Thanks a lot fellas!

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nixon-fiend.
05-27-2004, 04:39 AM
Hi guys. I need a couple of pointers.

I want to upgrade all my sh*t this summer.. first up I want a new JS.

My logitech extreme is fine i suppose, I can shoot down most people online and it's still in one piece.
(I don't believe the b*tching about this thing, it's great for 25)

Anyways.. I want to up the ante and get something more precise and quality. I took a look at the cougar but I ain't dumb enough to spend 240 on a stick.

I am however, dumb enough to spend around 100 ($190)
And the CH flighterstick and combatstick have caught my attention..
Does anyone have one of these - what dyou think bout them?

Furthermore, I read in a review they have 3 axes.. now, would i be correct in assuming this means they have a twist-rudder control? or did i miss an axis out? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

^ I do want a twist-rudder - it's cheaper than pedals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

are there any other sticks in this price range that people can recommend?

(I don't want any FFB stuff or that x45 abomination)

Thanks a lot fellas!

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

SUPERAEREO
05-27-2004, 04:44 AM
The 3rd axis could just refer to the throttle, mind you.

I am VERY happy with my Saitek Cyborg USB Gold.

It's cheap and very good and I can spend the money saved on other things.

S!

"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Chuck Yaeger

AnaK774
05-27-2004, 04:49 AM
CH fighterstick, pro throttle and pedals combo have worked for me 555

Easy to set up, really tolerant, enuff room for my hands (glove size 12)

Used currently for 1000hours, no spikes on pots and still extremely accurate

Definately recommended http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

3rd axis on stick is "throttle" i use it for prop pitch, no twist there

AKA LeOs.K_Anak

nixon-fiend.
05-27-2004, 04:52 AM
Ah thanks for the info! Good kit then!


I guess i'll have to get pedals from somewhere then!

Thanks again!

AnaK774
05-27-2004, 04:54 AM
Unfortunately no, took couple months to get rid of habit twisting stick and get used to pedals http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

AKA LeOs.K_Anak

yarbles67
05-27-2004, 05:09 AM
I got the USB CH Flight F-16 stick (http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewAProduct.php?pid=18) and it's the best stick I've ever purchased. It was 90 bucks shipped. It's only drawback is that it doesn't have a twisty stick but I use pedals so it's no biggie. I've owned probably half dozen 40-50 dollar sticks over the years and I can honestly say this one blows them away in terms of quality and rugged feel. I strongly recommend it and from what I've heard from other folks that own CH Products is that if you ever have an issue, they have top notch customer support.

Zen--
05-27-2004, 05:31 AM
I just bought the CH Fighterstick USB and I love it. I'd say this is probably going to be the best stick I've owned based on my preliminary use of it. The reason I bought the Fighterstick is because of the number of buttons...it almost matches the cougar, minus the pinky lever. All the other buttons are there however, including the trigger finger button on the side of the stick, above and to the right of the actual trigger.

I've had:

TM Foxpro 2 Topgun
TM Cougar HOTAS
Saitek EVO
Saitek Rumbleforce FFB
Saitek X45



My favorite of all time is the cougar but it's had too many problems and is just too stiff to play AEP with. I really love it because of the contruction and the Foxy software that lets you program the stick.

I still use it though...have it hooked up but pushed the stick out of the way and just use the throttle and my TM Elite rudder pedals along with the CH.

As funky as it might sound, I think for me this gives the best controller arrangement because I can maintain the illusion of the whole cougar rig but with the nice motion and feel of the CH stick. I like the button play on the cougar better and the overall feel of a metal stick is better, but the precision, accuracy and controllability of the CH is amazing. It is far superior than the cougar because it is so light, but imho is also better than any other stick I've had period.

The Foxpro 2 is the all around most cost effective stick I've owned yet, but has limited buttons, no software and it wore out pretty fast. The CH is almost as light but imho is more controllable because of the slightly higher tension and much better construction. Add in all the buttons plus the CH software and to me you've got a heck of a stick.



I totally recommend the CH, my gut instinct is that I will have this stick for a long time and that my search for my ultimate rig is finally over. I took the advice of SPaRX who has been using one for a couple of years now and haven't been disappointed. To me, it is exactly the way a joystick should feel and totally worth the money.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3677&item=8107295536&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Those are for the TM Elite rudder pedals which I like alot. They don't have an up and down motion, they have a front to back sliding motion...left foot forward and the right foot comes back. (If you look down at your virtual AEP pilot's invisible feet in flight...he is doing the same thing! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

These pedals are gameport, NOT usb, so to use them you will need to get yourself a 5 dollar joystick. The pedals have a male and female split connector, so the stick hooks to the pedals and the pedals hook to the gameport on your PC. Go into windows and add yourself a 2 button, 2 axis joystick, check the box that says use rudder pedals and viola, you are done.

When you go into AEP you will be able to assign the Z axis to the pedals and still use your main stick instead of the cheapo one the pedals are hooked to. This is exactly the way I used to run my pedals before I got the cougar.

And for what it's worth, I bought my Elite pedals used off ebay also and that was 2 1/2 years ago...still going strong. If I had to pick up another set I'd be pretty confident of using ebay again, they seem to be pretty strong and durable pedals.


Good luck Nixon, sorry to be long winded but I thought I'd share some of my experience with the CH...I love it and totally recommend it.

S!

-Zen-

Kefuddle
05-27-2004, 05:47 AM
I am still using the same CH Virtual Pilot Pro, FlightStick Pro and Pro Pedals that I bought in 1996!! No pot changes, no boken cables, no worn out microswitches. Top drawer and first class!!

Scoutman
05-27-2004, 06:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Kefuddle:
I am still using the same CH Virtual Pilot Pro, FlightStick Pro and Pro Pedals that I bought in 1996!! No pot changes, no boken cables, no worn out microswitches. Top drawer and first class!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Think my Combat stick, pro throttle & peddles are around 10 years old, only had I minor glitch in that time, a pinched wire about 4 years a go. Easy to fix and still smooth. Just wondering though if anyone knows of programming software for it that works under XP (i.e. for gameport connection devices, not USB), Currently using original speedkeys on a win ME partition. What do you use for yours Kefuddle?

Regards

Scoutman

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S 8
05-27-2004, 06:38 AM
I have that CH F16 Fighterstick,the gameport version,bought years ago,and the first thing that caught me when I unpacked it how big it was.I have never used it though cause when I got it 4 months later (postproblems)http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif I already had new stick,my beloved Logitech digital extereme.But a month ago when my MS Sidewinder 2 quit its dayjob I though I would try it out before I would buy a new stick but,I can´t to get it work.Maybe XP or something else but now I have a Saitek Evo,but that fighterstick looks pretty useful with all its swithces and povhats.

horseback
05-27-2004, 07:58 AM
Have the CH Combatstick, Por Throttle, and Pro Pedals, all USB, and all have given me sterling service. Got them all locally for significantly less than MSRP and well worth the money, considering the hours I got out of the rig, and I know that I have many more coming.

As for your experience with the Logitech stick vs mine & most others, all I can say is that I have an old buddy who swears that his '69 American Moters musclecar (I've forgotten the model name, but it was universally recognized as a POS) was the best car he ever owned. Like him, you got one that slipped past the Quality Assurance guys...

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

BuzZz_WG
05-27-2004, 08:28 AM
I'm planning of upgrading my pit as well. I have one question for which I couldn't find an answer: How is the pro throttle? Do you mind that it's not modelled after a real throttle? Do you miss the dials which do exist on the cougar and X-45 throttle?

BREAK! BREAK!
Nevermind...

Eagle_361st
05-27-2004, 08:42 AM
I have the CH Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals all USB. After going thru 3 X-45's in one year and being dissapointed after the great X-36 I had I tried CH. I will never go back. CH is wonderful, with many possiblities of set-up, reliable, and durable. For the money I think it is well worth it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

~S!
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Kasdeya
05-27-2004, 09:09 AM
I just ordered a CH Fighterstick, I have a pro throttle and love it so when my joystick(Logitech) finally gave me enough trouble I went shopping. I'll let you know what I think of it when I get it, but I think it'll be just like what everyone else has said so far.

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nixon-fiend.
05-27-2004, 10:04 AM
Damn Zen, you're so thorough! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Hehe, cheers for the evaluation! I think you just made a sale!!

And i sooo wish i'd seen your post earlier - i just let some perfect CH pro pedals go on ebay for 30 (rrp 120) cos they were gameport!!

Gah!

But thankyou VERY much for the info. Everything I needed to know! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

S~

El Turo
05-27-2004, 11:07 AM
I've recently bought a CH Fighterstick to replace my X45 that was wearing out (too much centerplay slop).

Only two problems/complaints I can report:

1) Springs are REALLY light. Wish there was a way to stiffen it up a bit without voiding the warranty. It would certainly help with fine control on the edge of stall (for lack of FFB).

2) The #2 fire button and 8-way hat position at the top of the faceplate are a little bit cumbersome because you have to reach OVER the pair of 4-way hats in the row underneath them. I really am at a loss as to why they would have designed the stick this way. I've got pretty large hands as a 6'5" guy and I find it annoying to have to reach over the bottom hats.. I can't imagine what a pain in the *** it will be for folks with smaller hands.

However, it is still a very solid stick and I would recommend it to anyone looking to upgrade.

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horseback
05-27-2004, 11:38 AM
Butch-

Shoulda gotten the Combatstick-it's cheaper and the No. 2 button is a single push button on the thumb where it belongs. If you have the Pro Throttle, ($99 at Frys' / Outpost.com) you should use the POV hat on it for POV, and use the one on the stick for trim or something.

cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944