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DigitalCutter
08-27-2004, 11:22 PM
see i m a fan of AMD......i own a AMD1.8 with a Nvidia motherboard.......but my brother has captured that sys now....i need to assemble a new one.....but now im confused...when i cheked for AMD2800+ i knew that it workd only at 1800mhz......soo wud it be a waste of money..shud i turn to p4?? will p4 support graphical porg as well as AMD? and gime a good and economical configuration.....

DigitalCutter
08-27-2004, 11:22 PM
see i m a fan of AMD......i own a AMD1.8 with a Nvidia motherboard.......but my brother has captured that sys now....i need to assemble a new one.....but now im confused...when i cheked for AMD2800+ i knew that it workd only at 1800mhz......soo wud it be a waste of money..shud i turn to p4?? will p4 support graphical porg as well as AMD? and gime a good and economical configuration.....

VW-IceFire
08-27-2004, 11:30 PM
The reason that AMD calls their chips by a set of numbers and a + sign is because they are matching their chips speed and power with that of the next comperable Intel chip.

Or at least that was the idea.

I bought a AMD Athlon XP 2700+ (tbred, not barton core) which runs at 2.16Ghz (according to Windows anyways). Fact is that my chip, in some tests, outperforms the comperable Intel P4 2.8Ghz chip. Not all tests mind you...and the difference is small either way but the AMD chips are quite good and more affordable.

So, do not think that GHz means everything. Infact it does not. Consider that the new Intel Centrino that they have been using in Laptops is rated at 1.4 and 1.5Ghz typically and yet its as powerful at a 2.8 or a 3.0 Pentium 4 in most comparisons under the same conditions.

In another example, although a harder line to draw, the Macintosh G4 and G5 chips are ranged in the 800Mhz to 1.5Ghz and then from 1.5Ghz to about 2.5Ghz and yet they compair very well with their comperable Intel cousins despite being at a much lower clock speed.

Stop looking at those numbers and look at the ones that mean more. Read the benchmarks on sites online and then make a much more informed decision on processor. AMD or Intel.

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DigitalCutter
08-27-2004, 11:52 PM
ehmm....still confused boss....gimme a good and economical configuration

LEXX_Luthor
08-28-2004, 12:46 AM
Read the benchmarks on sites online and then make a much more informed decision on processor.


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Weather_Man
08-28-2004, 01:01 AM
There are two significant differences to the 2800+ Barton at 2.08Ghz and the Tbred 2200+ at 1.8Ghz (I think this is what you mean?) At any rate, the difference between the Barton and Thoroughbred are the same.

First, the L2 cache on the 2800+ Barton chip is double that of the Tbred at 512kb. Second, it runs at a faster FSB of 333Mhz (or 400Mhz for the 3000+ and 3200+) compared to 266Mhz (for the older ones). The higher FSB allows for faster RAM as well. All these combine to make for considerable performance increases over just Ghz alone. They use the Performance Rating to show how it would compare to the old Tbird or Intel chip of the same speed.

Basically, don't pay too much attention to the clock speed, but the PR Rating. If you buy a 2800+ it will perform simliar to a 2.8Ghz Pentium.

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VFA-195 Snacky
08-28-2004, 03:10 AM
A AMD Athlon 3000+ CPU is nothing more than a 2.17Ghz CPU overclocked by the factory to run at 3ghz speeds.
This is how AMD is able to sell fast CPUs for a better price than Intel.

I have been a AMD user for several years now and they are good CPUs, especially for gaming. You need to research your motherboard selection and ram a little more than you do with intel, but when talking about bang for the buck AMD wins hands down.

I recommend anything above an Athlon3200+ with a motherboard using 400mhz FSB and some good Crucial or Corsair Ram. Throw a ATI X800 on there and your good to go.

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tttiger
08-28-2004, 03:32 AM
LOL

Poor guy wants to know what time it is and you geeks tell him how to build a clock http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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KevinTheFruitBat
08-28-2004, 04:55 AM
I've been looking at upgrading and the AMD 64 3400 is by far the best value chip according to just about all the benchmarks I've seen. I believe, however, that it does not support dual channel memory but this does not seem to slow it down on the benchmarks...
Mind you, I'm going to wait a bit until the AMD 64 3800 chip is a bit more affordable. Il2 FB seems a very CPU hungry game.

1.JaVA_Razer
08-28-2004, 05:03 AM
AMD can run at slower speeds because first off they use WAY more transistors on their cores then INTEL( also the reason why they get so hot)
And also the AMD's have a smaller pipeline, intels have a "long" pipeline which will enable you to use high speeds,amd has a shorter pipeline, but also
AMD outperforms Intel to what I've read in floating point calculations, the kind needed in games, so if you wanna game, and run some windows go for AMD surly, 64bit one if you got the money,but take a S939 socket!!!!!

if you wanna use intensive appliances and game some(like Autocad, 3DsMAX(rendering that is)) and such then I'd suggest Intel because it's good at that, but for gaming needs AMD rules for me. IT DOES need good koeling when it's hot in your room or sso, so if you have the money install another cooler then the stock one sins that will suffice, but just barely.

If you've got the money I'd suggest a SP 97 by thermalright or a Zalman CU 7000 or something.

Zalman is more silent but SP 97 in combination whith a good fan will out perform it defenitly, also be sure you have a good airflow in your case, this will lower your temperatures by a degree or 4,5

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arcadeace
08-28-2004, 05:13 AM
Listen to Weatherman because he told you just what I would http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But if you have more money listen to others; do research at hardward sites for benchmarks etc. and go for a Athlon 64, preferably with a 939 motherboard for solid performance and upgrade potential.

WUAF_Badsight
08-28-2004, 05:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
A AMD Athlon 3000+ CPU is nothing more than a 2.17Ghz CPU overclocked by the factory to run at 3ghz speeds"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

err . . . . what ?

the reason for AMD CPU's being able to complete with higher clock speed Pentium CPU's is that AMD processors have a shorter pipeline & they are able to process more info per clock cycle

Pentiums need the faster speed to accomplish the same amount of work

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WUAF_Badsight
08-28-2004, 05:41 AM
for the last few months the best CPU coolers have been Gigabytes raised coolers

fan isnt on the base , so no hot spot in the middle where the fan normally sits

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Chuck_Older
08-28-2004, 06:34 AM
Cutter-

Seems to me your problem is not needing a new PC, but rather dealing effectively with your brother

First, decide on a Goal. Yours should be: recovering my computer

Next, identify opportunities for completeing that goal. Such as:

1)physically overpowering/intimidating him
2)securing sensitive information that can be used to blackmail him, or hold something important to him as 'collateral' against your computer's safe and quick return
3)influencing someone he cares about to convince him to return the PC
4)trading him an object or service (yours or someone else's) for the return of the PC
5)shaming him in front of authority figures (parents or his peers) to get them to make him return the PC
6)having a larger, meaner associate than yourself hint that violence is a real possibility if the PC is not returned

There are also others, use your imagination

Your next step is discovering how difficult your methods may be, and their chances of success versus failure. Remember that you need not choose only ONE method. Weigh those chances of succes or failure against your own risk based on each method. Decide which is most viable. When you do this, you know your mission.

Gathering information is your next stage. Ascertain just when the most advantageous time is to conduct your "mission". I'd suggest when he is asleep, drunk, with his girlfriend, in the shower, away for the weekend, etc., depending on which method(s) you choose. Also, know how to leave the area without being seen/caught

Conduct the mission. Be decisive. Do not dally. Do not be distracted. Also, have an escape and evasion route. Know how to clear the area without leaving evidence you were there. Have a plausible reason for being there if possible in case you are caught in the act. Take along a deversion device. I'd suggest an airhorn. If your brother walks into his room while you are creeeping along with your PC under your arm and you are caught, a quick blast on the horn (not near or toward his body, you can deafen him) will startle him for a few precious seconds so you can escape.

For the succesful completeing of the mission you will also need an emergency escape route in addition to your planned escape route. This emergency escape route might be a hiding place that contains the objects that you have taken of his that you hold against your property he holds. If pursued there, you can always threaten the object as a last resort. Alternatively, your emergency escape route can take you to reinforcements (parents, sympathetic peers, larger, meaner friends of yours) to help discourage pursuit.

As a warning, any of these methods may result in your sudden and unexpected disappearance during execution of your mission or immediately after. Particularly nasty siblings may wait a number of months before getting even. You have been forewarned.

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