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ElAurens
02-28-2004, 07:22 AM
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.jpg

From the USAF Museum website:

The BK-5 was an adaptation of a tank gun and was intended primarily for use against Allied heavy bombers. Its magazine held 22 rounds and the gun had a rate of fire of 45 rounds per minute. BK-5 cannon were installed in some Me 410 twin-engine interceptors and experimentally in the Me 262 fighter, but the war ended before testing with the latter aircraft could be completed. Only about 300 of the guns were produced and combat usage was limited. When Reich Marshal Hermann Goering was captured and questioned on May 10, 1945, he mentioned the BK-5 experiments translated as follows:

"You might find around Germany some jet airplanes equipped with anti-tank guns. Don't blame me for such monstrostities. This was done on the explicit orders of the Fuehrer. Hitler knew nothing about the air. He may have known about the Army or Navy, but absolutely nothing about the air. He even considered the Me-262 to be a bomber and he insisted it should be called a bomber."



SPECIFICATIONS
Weight: 135 lbs.
Muzzle velocity: 1,600 ft./sec.
Gun length overall: 45 in.
Barrel length: 23 in.
Maximum rate of fire: 45 rounds/min.


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ElAurens
02-28-2004, 07:22 AM
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/arm/arm5.jpg

From the USAF Museum website:

The BK-5 was an adaptation of a tank gun and was intended primarily for use against Allied heavy bombers. Its magazine held 22 rounds and the gun had a rate of fire of 45 rounds per minute. BK-5 cannon were installed in some Me 410 twin-engine interceptors and experimentally in the Me 262 fighter, but the war ended before testing with the latter aircraft could be completed. Only about 300 of the guns were produced and combat usage was limited. When Reich Marshal Hermann Goering was captured and questioned on May 10, 1945, he mentioned the BK-5 experiments translated as follows:

"You might find around Germany some jet airplanes equipped with anti-tank guns. Don't blame me for such monstrostities. This was done on the explicit orders of the Fuehrer. Hitler knew nothing about the air. He may have known about the Army or Navy, but absolutely nothing about the air. He even considered the Me-262 to be a bomber and he insisted it should be called a bomber."



SPECIFICATIONS
Weight: 135 lbs.
Muzzle velocity: 1,600 ft./sec.
Gun length overall: 45 in.
Barrel length: 23 in.
Maximum rate of fire: 45 rounds/min.


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VW-IceFire
02-28-2004, 07:25 AM
I doubt B-17's will be able to fly well after having been hit by one of these...yikes.

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Cajun76
02-28-2004, 07:51 AM
Excuse my ignorance, but what caliber was that thing?

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p1ngu666
02-28-2004, 08:05 AM
50 or 55mm
did the 262 have anything else apart from that gun ?

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SUPERAEREO
02-28-2004, 08:10 AM
50 x 419R.

That's 50mm. with a rimmed casing 419mm. long.

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SUPERAEREO
02-28-2004, 08:17 AM
No other armament that I know of.

And I believe the gun on the 262 was not a BK5, but a similar Mauser Mk214 (same calibre).

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Cajun76
02-28-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SUPERAEREO:
50 x 419R.

That's 50mm. with a rimmed casing 419mm. long.

S!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goodness! My P-47 wouldn't like that at all, precious, not one bit, gollum!

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MandMs
02-28-2004, 08:57 AM
It is a 50mm Mk214A which had a shell 606mm long. It had a RoF of 150r/m with a mv of 920m/s.


Baur made 19 flights firing 47 rounds on the ground and 81 in the air. He scored 27 hits out of 30 on a 30mx32m target. The a/c(WNr 111899) first flew on Mar 19 1945. Herget flew it as well on 2 operational missions(Apr 16 1945) but the gun jammed both times.

The 262 had to have its nose wheel retraction modified so that it swivelled so that the tire was flat when retracted.

WNr 170083 was the Wilma Jeanne captured by the Americans. It was destroyed in a crash when the pilot bailed out on a transfer flight to Cherbourg when an engine exploded.



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