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HayateKid
04-14-2004, 10:23 AM

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Red_Russian13
04-14-2004, 10:35 AM
I don't hate any of them. I like (to varying degrees) all of the planes in AEP. Some have a place in more restricted places (Go-229, etc) but I like them all.

Now, which one do I not like facing...Ki-84.

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Chuck_Older
04-14-2004, 10:35 AM
What do you mean by "hatred profile" or "representative planes"?

Are you suggesting by "hatred profile" that these planes are too easy/powerful to fly, and therefore are generally despised?

Also, are you saying these planes represent the countries that made them somehow, in terms of ease or difficulty to fly in FB?

The plane choice seems odd, because of the inclusion of the P-51. I've heard no complaining about how "uber" the Mustang is, and I have heard plenty of complaining about how crummy it's weapons are in FB.

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crazyivan1970
04-14-2004, 10:37 AM
I think the question should be refrased http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-14-2004, 10:49 AM
I have the most "contempt" for the one on my 6 with an E advantage. Other than that, I like them all.



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HayateKid
04-14-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
What do you mean by "hatred profile" or "representative planes"?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, we've seen polls that ask which plane you love the most. This is just the reverse. And people can choose for whatever reason they hate a plane. The options are based on
whine post and (sometimes coincidentally) *arguably* best performers from each country. The bf109z was added because it did not fly in WWII.

There could be additional choices but only five are allowed. For instance:

6) I like all planes.

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Dunkelgrun
04-14-2004, 11:52 AM
None of them, or any plane in FB. They are all great fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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IV|JG51Flatspin
04-14-2004, 11:58 AM
whichever one is on my six at the moment is the one I hate the most. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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HayateKid
04-14-2004, 12:01 PM
Wow. based on 146 views but only 6 votes so far, this is encouraging. There are actually less people who hate a plane than the whine posts would suggest.

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ForkTailedDevil
04-14-2004, 12:34 PM
My least favorite plane to be fighting is the I-153. In my campaign in my BF-109 these little bi-planes seem to perform the most amazing manuevers and not to mention can absorb an insane amount of damage before going down. The I-16 would be a close 2nd.

Capt.LoneRanger
04-14-2004, 12:59 PM
There's no plane I "hate", actually.

I fly all planes and every single plane in FB (AEP) has it's strength and weaknesses.

However, there are some planes, that really seem to be misplaced or wrong. The 109Z was surely a good plane - if it only ever flew besides some tests. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

But despite of the pro's and con's of each plane in FB, the 109Z seems to have many advantages, but not a single disadvantage.
It can outrun, outdive, outturn almost any plane (if not ANY) and the amount of firepower is awesome. Just my personal feeling, but 109Z seems wrong, to me.

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faustnik
04-14-2004, 01:21 PM
I hate to see the 109Z in a DF server because it was a prototype only.

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Maple_Tiger
04-14-2004, 01:30 PM
Lol, i voted for the BF109Z.

I have actualy shot two down since AEP lol. I hate this plane becasue i usualy can only make one pass at it and then i have to run away lol.



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LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 01:41 PM
Fb109Z is my favorite cos everybody "pretends" to hate it. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I hate to see the 109Z in a DF server because it was a prototype only.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You mean we Hate simmers who internet dogfight with it. We deserve the community we get, a big Pink Elephant that even Stiglr can't talk about. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

flight simmers claim to "Hate" an...airplane

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BS87
04-14-2004, 01:43 PM
i think the 109z would be alot mroe fun if it was the original F model, dunno where oleg got the idea of 2 g6's from.

LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 01:48 PM
You know, I recall now about reading how real life pilots wanted to fly advanced captured enemy planes, like Do~335. If Fb109Z made it to flight, alot of pilots would ~love~ to get their hands on it. But those were real pilots hahah.


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faustnik
04-14-2004, 02:09 PM
Lexx,

The original poster asked for an opinion. Mine is that I don't like to enter servers with experimental a/c or non-historical planesets. You have a problem with me expressing a preference?

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LilHorse
04-14-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Lexx,

The original poster asked for an opinion. Mine is that I don't like to enter servers with experimental a/c or non-historical planesets. You have a problem with me expressing a preference?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel the same way. I'd prefer historical plane sets.
Sure, ppl can fly what they want. But does that mean you aren't allowed to have an opinion about these things? If you like fantasy planes, Lexx, then by all means, knock yerself out with 'em. But that doesn't mean we have to be all warm and fuzzy over this stuff. If we think "all plane sets" are silly or even if we "hate" a certain a/c, we've got as much right to as you do to fly em.

LEXX_Luthor
04-14-2004, 02:44 PM
Excellent, then we have no problem with any airplane, just the servers or simmers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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buggggggged
04-14-2004, 02:49 PM
just plain don't like the fw 190. Also the really old hurri, slow, cuts out , etc. newer hurri is great. Hate that tb crap thing from 1930 or what ever.

faustnik
04-14-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
_Excellent_, then we have no problem with any airplane, just the servers or simmers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No, I have no problem with anyone who prefers different settings or planesets. WTF are you talking about?

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04-14-2004, 03:31 PM
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Hunde_3.JG51
04-14-2004, 08:44 PM
109Z because it never saw combat.

Others (for different reasons);

-Mig-3U
-La-5 ('42)

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WUAF_Badsight
04-14-2004, 09:51 PM
i dont "hate" any of the planes in FB

they all - every single one of them - are fun to fly now & then

but im least effective in fast rolling planes

XyZspineZyX
04-14-2004, 10:13 PM
"Which plane do I hate the most?"

The one that shoots me down.


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christopher65
04-15-2004, 01:31 AM
H http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gifow can anyone "hate" a piece of machinery?All they were was a collection of bits of metal,bolts,engines etc put together(some much better than others)by us humans for our own distorted versions of truth.This seems heavy but I really hate flying that B1 THING,!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/353.gif

AWL_Spinner
04-15-2004, 04:49 AM
Don't really enjoy any aircraft after about 1943 as it all gets a bit soulless and you get all the endless waffle about country x's uberbird being more uber than country y's uberbird.

Real men fly crap planes.

Don't actively hate anything though, just don't fly with what you don't enjoy.

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AlGroover
04-15-2004, 06:44 AM
Any of the big gun aircraft in the hands of the AI. One shell and your plane disintegrates. I want to be able to take a few hits and perform some evading maneuvres and maybe get the chance to nurse a sick aircraft home or at least have the option of bailing out.

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04-15-2004, 06:52 AM
I hate flying the P51..gah!

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LilHorse
04-15-2004, 08:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by buggggggged:
just plain don't like the fw 190. Also the really old hurri, slow, cuts out , etc. newer hurri is great.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Guess you won't be flying BoB then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I love that old Hurri. It's one of my fave Allied planes.

FliegerAas
04-15-2004, 09:47 AM
I hate people who hate planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif!



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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
I have the most "contempt" for the one on my 6 with an E advantage. Other than that, I like them all.
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04-16-2004, 08:30 AM
I hate asparagus and avocados too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



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Venom079
04-16-2004, 09:35 AM
I hate guacamole http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Love flyin all a/c http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif How could you hate any a/c, they all have individual characteristics that make them enjoyable. I myself trip out on all the different models, cockpit styles, gauges, switches, etc. It's all amazing to me...I'm just glad that Oleg and the crew created this sim, realism is unprecedented!

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04-16-2004, 10:53 AM
The ones that steal ppls kills

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Franzen
04-16-2004, 12:42 PM
I hate to hate, I REALLY hate it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif. But I like to dislike http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. I would like to see a "what if" selection menu in my game though.

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Kurfurst__
04-16-2004, 12:45 PM
The turncoat red 109Ks - suddenly all tactics are invalid, and it`s all about who pings with the `Hammer first. Not to mention I have only rusty memories about manouvering fights.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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RobertNighthawk
04-19-2004, 03:33 AM
"Real men fly crap planes."

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WOLFMondo
04-19-2004, 04:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
Lexx,

The original poster asked for an opinion. Mine is that I don't like to enter servers with experimental a/c or non-historical planesets.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wish everyone had that attitude instead of whining about planes they don't think should be in FB/Aces.

I like all the planes...mainly cause when I shoot down an uber plane in and unferior plane is makes me feel a whole lot better.

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SeaFireLIV
04-19-2004, 05:14 AM
I hate the 109Z passionately. The only place I see for it is in a hypothetical campaign where it may or may not fly. Any other plane I will generally accept because they did fly.

That`s interesting sig, Kurfurst, 5 to 6 hits on the Tiger and it shrugged `em off! Unbelievable! The Germans certainly knew what they were doing when they made their war weaponry!

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HayateKid
04-20-2004, 08:15 AM
Wow! more people hate the P-51 than the Bf109K4.

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04-20-2004, 08:41 AM
The pony must die! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

The P-51 is so overestimated, but fortunately(praise our good lord Oleg Maddox)it's not overmodelled in FB, but more like what it should be.

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WUAF_MJ_Prop
04-20-2004, 11:06 AM
I cant hate any plane....why?? Because the machine is as good as the operator.

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tigerroach
04-20-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ForkTailedDevil:
My least favorite plane to be fighting is the I-153. In my campaign in my BF-109 these little bi-planes seem to perform the most amazing manuevers and not to mention can absorb an insane amount of damage before going down. The I-16 would be a close 2nd.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad I'm not the only one; I was beginning to think I was some kind of 'tard, not being able to down those screwy biplanes.

LEXX_Luthor
04-20-2004, 03:08 PM
Come to think of it, many pilots did Hate the planes they flew. Very early LaGG and MiGs are good examples until proper flight training was initiated for the new type of high speed monoplanes.

I try to see through the eyes of Willy Messer and his engineers. They wanted Fb109Z to fly and succeed in production. Very odd that computer flight simmers Hate Willy Messer and German aircraft engineers. Fascinating

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johann_thor
04-20-2004, 06:01 PM
if you mean fear the most .... its the FW190. my hairs rise when i have a FW190 on my tail .... i feel doomed !

johann_thor
04-20-2004, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I hate the 109Z passionately. The only place I see for it is in a hypothetical campaign where it may or may not fly. Any other plane I will generally accept because they did fly.

That`s interesting sig, Kurfurst, 5 to 6 hits on the Tiger and it shrugged `em off! Unbelievable! The Germans certainly knew what they were doing when they made their war weaponry!

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it was propably just a Pz.IV with upgraded armour ... very fwe Tigers actually faced the allied forces ... but the upgraded Pz.IV with high-velocity 75mm gun were usually mistaken for Tigers .... anything that had belts and a long barrel was thought to be a Tiger http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

worr
04-20-2004, 08:15 PM
The one on my six. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Worr, out

ImpStarDuece
04-21-2004, 02:46 AM
The only plane i hate is the one who's tracers are out to get me. Enough lead and i see red.

More seriously, i don't think you can hate any plane.

Sure you may dislike its modeling, or resent how some people choose to use it in servers, ect but HATE is a bit excessive.

Besides, if you actually hate something there is usually that slight attraction to it that made you hate it in the first place. Prehaps we should say "Which planes do you have a love/hate relationship with"

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Heavy_Weather
04-21-2004, 07:51 AM
i think the jets are kinda lame

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NorrisMcWhirter
04-21-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by johann_thor:
if you mean fear the most .... its the FW190. my hairs rise when i have a FW190 on my tail .... i feel doomed !<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't worry about the FW190 on my tail too much at all. Unless you are flying a P47/P38, you are likely to be able to shake it off (unless A5). What worries me more is if I see a FW190 with a height advantage on me - then I know that there is some serious firepower on its way.

That's why I prefer to fly the 190 even if the view is crap.

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HayateKid
04-21-2004, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
That's why I prefer to fly the 190 even if the view is crap.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I fly the 190 i find the view excellent. But then i'm usually looking backward over my shoulder and to the sides instead of up front. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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