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jimmie_T
05-27-2004, 12:20 AM
Then now bigger one (didn't bother to find the old post..). Apparently game touch, but presentation alone very impressive.

http://www.4gamer.net/jump.php?http://download.bbgames.jp/4gamer/movie/CoD_HIGH.zip

It's about 180MB mpeg (no sound tho..)

jimmie_T
05-27-2004, 12:20 AM
Then now bigger one (didn't bother to find the old post..). Apparently game touch, but presentation alone very impressive.

http://www.4gamer.net/jump.php?http://download.bbgames.jp/4gamer/movie/CoD_HIGH.zip

It's about 180MB mpeg (no sound tho..)

jimmie_T
05-27-2004, 12:33 AM
if BoB has this level of graphics...!

AirBot
05-27-2004, 05:12 AM
Ah jeez... I do hate repeating myself so... Still, I see no other way:

Call of Duty is NOT A FLIGHT SIM! It is an action-oriented WWII shooter. Put one lousy level based on a B-17 in there, and the whole IL-2 forum seems to abandon ship and prepare to move to CoD. This movie is not a demonstration of some kind of new and advanced graphics engine. It's the 5 years-old Quake 3 engine for pete's sake! True, they're putting it to good use, and the results do look nice. But it's not a flight sim! The clouds everyone seems so excited about are just cleverly used transparent 2D bitmaps. Look at them from any other direction than the one the designers intended, and they'll look more like a piece of paper than a cloud. The terrain and sky are just 2D textures as well. This is just another example of how to make a FPS engine draw what appears to be a huge environment by using some clever cheats. It's nothing new really - the original NOLF, for example, did it in a much more impressive way.
I'm not even going to go into the fact that FMs and DMs are non-existent, literally! Which is to be expected, since this is a shooter and not a flight sim.

If BoB has this level of graphics, you're gonna be stuck with one mission, always occuring at a specific altitude, and always on the same route, with no ability to control the plane.
I don't know about you, but I'm willing to give up a few clouds in order to have the freedom of movement we have in IL-2.

If I appear to be annoyed, it's because I am. Don't get me wrong, I loved CoD and I'm going to play the expansion as well, it just bugs me that people keep ooing and aaing about the CoD B-17 mission graphics, and keep exclaiming how much better they are than what we have now and how they would sell their soul to the devil to have a sim with these graphics.

PBNA-Boosher
05-27-2004, 05:59 AM
Well, dwnlding. the movie now, but I have to agree, I would rather have IL2 graphics than CoD graphics anyday, unless we got CoD graphics for those boys on the ground in the IL2 game setting, while we fly our planes in the air. The ground AI would be incredibly realistic, but that would bring us to less than 1/4 fps, so nevermind...

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jimmie_T
05-27-2004, 10:37 AM
I know COD is a FPS and I have not really enjoyed a FPS except OFP. In the movide you can hit things without deflection, bombay doors open just before 10 sec before dropping, etc, etc... But hey, even as a flightsim fan, and a owner of B17II (the one you can't fly really), that presentation is quite an amuse, isn't it?

As for rendering engine and computing power at the time of BoE releases, yeah, we still probably will not be able to run things in that level (and personaly, I'd even prefer realistic weather model(whether or not visible) or slip stream and so on implemented rather than extremely high-poly count external modeling for trade-off). But the point, like as you say, is "using some clever cheats."

And so,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
If BoB has this level of graphics, you're
gonna be stuck with one mission, always occuring at a specific altitude, and always on the same route, with no ability to control the plane.
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I hope they can manage "clever cheats" to look overal presentation impressive as much possible.

Austin implemented 3D cloud since X-Plane ver6 yet some of high-layer coulds remain 2D. Many complained when he implemented 3D clouds because they looked suck and third-party 2D cloud texture looked far better "realistic" (at a distance). FB's long-distance smoke's also 2D bmp. Yes, provided you be allowed to move freely around an object, things any way needs to be 3D eventually (and thus ended up with a big compromise - we havta cut this this time and so on..), but if they can manage some CLEVER way to deal with compromises, that'd be I'm hoping.

Lastly, what I really wanted to say isn't acutally wishing BoB having that much level of graphics. Rather, even as a not big FPS fan, and knowing that gamy gunnery, when I see that it makes me "Wow I might want to play this" ;-p

KarayaEine
05-27-2004, 11:50 AM
If the B-17 gunners in IL-2 (and real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) were that accurate the Luftwaffe would have been decimated in a few weeks of daylight bombing.

Great graphics, almost movie quality, but CoD seems to be heavy on the shooting/action and ver, very light on the realism.

just mah opinion' ya unnerstand.......

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Wings_of_Fire
05-27-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jimmie_T:
Then now bigger one (didn't bother to find the old post..). Apparently game touch, but presentation alone very impressive.

http://www.4gamer.net/jump.php?http://download.bbgames.jp/4gamer/movie/CoD_HIGH.zip

It's about 180MB mpeg (no sound tho..)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well it isn't Call of Duty, its Call Of Duty: United Offensive, and its all new footage.

And to AirBot, Shut up, he said it was off topic in the title, there are those of us who enjoy to play other games apart from iL2, and it is related in a way as it is the B17 level.
I wonder if you will be going around complaining about all the other posts on this board such as Skunkworks or Disney War films or Acceleration experiments, do you see yourself as some kind of wannabe Mod http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif it'll never happen if you continue the way you did when you replied to Jimmie T.
Moreso, are these boards, your personal boards........NO, they belong to the community, the community makes these boards what they are, not little trumped up wannabe's

T_O_A_D
05-27-2004, 02:21 PM
So after viewing the thing I see where Olegs AI gunners got trained http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Other than that it will be a fun little addition to the COD thing. I can already see some of these sequences getting incorporated into some of our IL2 films. That from Toadadomus http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Jake_1
05-27-2004, 02:37 PM
A daylight bombing raid B-17s with British coastal command cammo and RAF roundals Hmmmmmm........

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crazyivan1970
05-27-2004, 04:24 PM
When is it coming out?

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lil_labbit
05-27-2004, 05:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
When is it coming out?

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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You know that...

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NegativeGee
05-27-2004, 05:40 PM
If B-17's had been that good against fighters, they could have just cruised around German airspace wiping out the Luftwaffe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and you just gotta love those wide body Fort's!

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Cajun76
05-27-2004, 05:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
If B-17's had been that good against fighters, they could have just cruised around German airspace wiping out the Luftwaffe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Oh, and you just gotta love those wide body Fort's!

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - G├╝nther Rall

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, it was a Boeing...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Charlie901
05-28-2004, 12:22 AM
All you guys that play COD get on the
"AUSTIN-COD Retrieve" Server Now!!!

It's run by a professional group of guys and gals who also run their own website.

There is no clanstacking, cursing, and you get auto-booted for to many PK's, although you can forgive someone if it was accidental and they'll stay in. Not to mention they are all a very a mature group of people.

I'm not really into the Arcadish FPS type of games but this server made the difference and its all I play right now. Ton's of fun.

AirBot
05-28-2004, 05:51 AM
I usually try to avoid personal attacks, but this might force me to make an exception.

You, my friend, need to learn reading comprehension. It's that little thing they teach in school... Quite useful really.

I was not complaining about the post being OT. I was, rather, miffed at the fact that so many people appear to be praising the graphics of the CoD B-17 level, and even comparing it to IL-2 and joyfully exclaiming how they'd wish for IL-2 to have that level of graphics.
The simple fact is, most of what you see in that movie isn't actually rendered, so a flight sim looking like that would be rather restrictive, in that you would not have any control of your plane at all.

Moreover, and I specifically recall making that quite clear in my last reply, I'm a big CoD fan myself and am very excited about the expansion in general and that level in particular, just for different reasons.

I was always under the impression that my writing was quite clear and understandable. At least, most people seem to have no trouble understanding what I'm saying. Perhaps you should look into your understanding of the English language before you attack me?

On a completely different note - jimmie_T, I believe I owe you an apology. I had suspected from the start that you were simply wishing for BoB to look as good as this, obviously while retaining the freedom IL-2 has always allowed us.
Nontheless, my exasperation got the better of me and I responded with a somewhat unpleasant rant about something which apparently wasn't your intention at all.
I hope you will accept my apology.

On the other hand: Wings_of_Fire - sod off!

Sorry for this mods - feel free to delete this post if necessary. I just had to vent.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wings_of_Fire:
And to AirBot, Shut up, he said it was off topic in the title, there are those of us who enjoy to play other games apart from iL2, and it is related in a way as it is the B17 level.
I wonder if you will be going around complaining about all the other posts on this board such as Skunkworks or Disney War films or Acceleration experiments, do you see yourself as some kind of wannabe Mod http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif it'll never happen if you continue the way you did when you replied to Jimmie T.
Moreso, are these boards, your personal boards........NO, they belong to the community, the community makes these boards what they are, not little trumped up wannabe's<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>