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adadaead
06-14-2004, 09:02 PM
It talks about it in the readme what it and what plane is it one.


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adadaead
06-14-2004, 09:02 PM
It talks about it in the readme what it and what plane is it one.


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VW-IceFire
06-14-2004, 09:16 PM
Two aircraft use the K-14 gunsight. The P-51D-20 and the YP-80. You need to key bind controls for it. Toggle gunsight mode goes between fixed, fixed + gyro, and gyro. Essentially you place the gyro sight over the target, adjust the wingspan to the closest match (it has presets, Bf 109, FW190, FW200, etc.) and hammer down.

Its supposed to make good aim excellent aim and average aim good. It was also known as the "Ace Maker" because of its usefulness. Some of the older pilots (aces as well) tended to prefer the standard gunsight...so some people like it and others don't.

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JorBR
06-14-2004, 09:19 PM
Also you may use the search key, tons of information about it in older threads.

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tttiger
06-14-2004, 09:33 PM
sri double post

tttiger
06-14-2004, 09:38 PM
Once Again!

Someone too lazy (or ignorant) to use Google!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=K-14+sight&btnG=Google+Search

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06-14-2004, 09:59 PM
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hughlb2
06-15-2004, 01:14 AM
so how many of you actually use this sight properly. I never find it all that useful. Maybe for bombers it is.

von_Albert
06-15-2004, 01:32 AM
I don't fly the mustang D-20 that much, but when I do, I find the K-14 gunsight VERY usefull and extremely accurate. I actually do use it properly in terms of setting target type and range, and once that is done, you really cannot miss with that gunsight, even with very long range high angle deflection shots. "Ace Maker" really is a good name for it, because it makes shooting extremely easy. I get hits that, when in other aircraft (the 109 being my main ride), I don't even bother taking the shot. With the 109, I am proponent of the Erich Hartmann gunnery school, "get in close, wait, get in even closer, and then fire at the Giant object filling the font windscreen."

divot2001
06-15-2004, 02:47 AM
tttiger don't be a *******. he probably would like to know what this sight is in relation to IL2 not Google. Since the first 2 pages is either biographical information or **** on Kindergarten through basic high school instruction there is no need for you to mouth off. If you don't want to provide information, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

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WOLFMondo
06-15-2004, 02:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
so how many of you actually use this sight properly. I never find it all that useful. Maybe for bombers it is.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I found it really helps no matter what the situation, especially in the P51D 20NA. Takes a little getting used to but its definatly the best gun site on any plane in IL2:FB.

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NegativeGee
06-15-2004, 05:40 AM
The K-14 is a gyroscopic computing gunsight.

It is a licence built copy of the GGS Mark IID gunsight, originally designed and manufactured by the British firm Ferranti.

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foxhound31
06-15-2004, 05:53 AM
One thing I do not get for this sight is range allowance.

We have the gyroscpic bit, we have the aircradt type selection, but taking this example I do not see how the sight works in FB:AEP.....

Lets say we in a gradual turn tracking a 190 which is 100m away.

I set the sight to '190' and the sight enlarges or reduces size from its previous setting. But we've made no setting for range which will affect time of flight for the projectiles and hence distance moved by the 190 during TOF. IIRC the sight was set (in UK fighters) by adjusting for a/c type as we do in FB:AEP, tracking - obviously!! - and using a twist grip to bring down the sight size (for the given a/c type) which effectivily set the sight up for a range.

i.e (using arbitiary values), when viewed through the sight, a 190's wingspan at 150m might match a sight diameter of 4.5cm, as he pulls away the range increases, the 'size' of the 190 as it appears to the viewer reduces so to tell the sight that range and hence projectile TOF has increased we reduce the sight diameter t0 3cm....or have I missed something?

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WOLFMondo
06-15-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NegativeGee:
The K-14 is a gyroscopic computing gunsight.

It is a licence built copy of the GGS Mark IID gunsight, originally designed and manufactured by the British firm Ferranti.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So which British fighters used that gun sight?

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 06:25 AM
Hi,

K14? It's that noob sight fitted to the P51.

What next? Sidewinders?

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Chuck_Older
06-15-2004, 06:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by foxhound31:
One thing I do not get for this sight is range allowance.

We have the gyroscpic bit, we have the aircradt type selection, but taking this example I do not see how the sight works in FB:AEP.....

Lets say we in a gradual turn tracking a 190 which is 100m away.

I set the sight to '190' and the sight enlarges or reduces size from its previous setting. But we've made no setting for range which will affect time of flight for the projectiles and hence distance moved by the 190 during TOF. IIRC the sight was set (in UK fighters) by adjusting for a/c type as we do in FB:AEP, tracking - obviously!! - and using a twist grip to bring down the sight size (for the given a/c type) which effectivily set the sight up for a range.

i.e (using arbitiary values), when viewed through the sight, a 190's wingspan at 150m might match a sight diameter of 4.5cm, as he pulls away the range increases, the 'size' of the 190 as it appears to the viewer reduces so to tell the sight that range and hence projectile TOF has increased we reduce the sight diameter t0 3cm....or have I missed something?

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You are over-complicating use of the sight. If you do a search on this firum under my username and with the keywords "K-14 gunsight", you will find a few long posts I have made about this sight's use and mis-use.

Put simply, you set the gyro recticle the same way you figure out your convergence range with any other gunsight. You don't keep adjusting the range by resizing the pipper, you use the pipper to tell you that you're at the correct range. Just figure out convergence the way you normally would, and then resize the pipper so that the target's wings are framed by the pipper, when the target aircraft is at the correct visual size in your windscreen.

I would type up a better explanation, but I've done it about 12 times, and it's a 4 paragraph series of examples, problems, and solutions. The main problem is that players over-complicate use of the K-14. You don't constantly adjust range with it.

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Chuck_Older
06-15-2004, 06:56 AM
try this link
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=srch&s=400102&result_detail=3&x_as=&findw=K-14+gyro+gunsight&f=&sis=&dt=&author_name=Chuck_Older&sort_order=2&action=simplesearch&search=Search

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tttiger
06-15-2004, 11:09 AM
Divot (no, I won't call you a ******* http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Read the topic: "What is the K-14 Gunsight?"

It doesn't ask anything else or what he "probably" wants to know. He says "what is" and notes that the info in using it in the game is in the read me. He indicates he already knows how to use it.

I provided him with a Google search link, a whole list of articles on "What is the K-14 Gunsight?". Isn't that being helpful?

I get real tired of all the grammar school dropouts in here who ask questions about stuff they can research very easily themselves. There's tons of free info out there on the internet.

Who peed in your Cheerios this morning?

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stout23
06-15-2004, 12:52 PM
I don't see anyone else having problem with his question but you "tttiger" relax man.

VOL_Hans
06-15-2004, 01:34 PM
The K-14 is overhyped.

It reminds me of the EEGS site in the F-15, 16, F/A-18, and so on.

To really use it, you pull it a little ahead of the target, lay into the triggers, let it slowly drift over the target, and after the target passes out, stop shooting and make a jink to avoid parts fallin off him.

In IL-2 atleast, I may use the "Fixed+Gyro" usually resorting to the Fixed pipper as I don't have a two-second delay built into calculateing lead! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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Chuck_Older
06-15-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VOL_Hans:
The K-14 is overhyped.

It reminds me of the EEGS site in the F-15, 16, F/A-18, and so on.

To really use it, you pull it a little ahead of the target, lay into the triggers, let it slowly drift over the target, and after the target passes out, stop shooting and make a jink to avoid parts fallin off him.

In IL-2 atleast, I may use the "Fixed+Gyro" usually resorting to the Fixed pipper as I don't have a two-second delay built into calculateing lead! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif


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You aren't letting the pipper settle, Hans. And yes, you are right, but maybe not the way you mean: it IS over-hyped. When used correctly, you put the pipper where you want the bullets to land. And they do when I use it, at least. You can't use it to accurately hit a jinking target, because the pipper must settle. If you find you need to lead the target with the pipper, you're asking the sight to do what it cannot do. This is WWII technology, it can't track your target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Also this is exactly why you have the "gyro+fixed" feature.

Many real pilots felt the K-14 did nothing for them and used a fixed sight.

I for one have never needed to lead a target with the K-14 sight's gyro feature, partly because if the target is moving too much, I switch it to "fixed". Don't get rooted down into only one way to use the sight. You have three modes, use them. There's no rule that says you must use only one of the three modes per target http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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