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SeaFireLIV
01-22-2004, 03:44 PM
Well flying now is like flying in a strange silent dream world (silent except for the engine).

The difference is quite amazing, not only to previous IL2 versions,but to every other sim I`ve flown including, PAW, Apache Havoc, F16, EAW, CFS3 and one Lucas Arts one I can`t remember.

A lot of people complained about radar sound quite viciously as if every other sim did it right, but IL2/Fb didn`t.

I guess the truth is nearly all flying combat sims must have been unrealistic regarding sound.
It seems most sims had the sound upped to make the sim more exciting... Or am I wrong?


I now realise that FB must be the FIRST sim to have REALISTIC sound.

Unfortunately, it`s rather quiet, save for the engine.... and somewhat isolating...

As long as its real I guess I`ll get used to it.

SeaFireLIV...
Slowly mutating into a Hurricane Ordnance Whiner...

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Larry the LA5 soon realised the sound improvement in 1.22 was not so great....

SeaFireLIV
01-22-2004, 03:44 PM
Well flying now is like flying in a strange silent dream world (silent except for the engine).

The difference is quite amazing, not only to previous IL2 versions,but to every other sim I`ve flown including, PAW, Apache Havoc, F16, EAW, CFS3 and one Lucas Arts one I can`t remember.

A lot of people complained about radar sound quite viciously as if every other sim did it right, but IL2/Fb didn`t.

I guess the truth is nearly all flying combat sims must have been unrealistic regarding sound.
It seems most sims had the sound upped to make the sim more exciting... Or am I wrong?


I now realise that FB must be the FIRST sim to have REALISTIC sound.

Unfortunately, it`s rather quiet, save for the engine.... and somewhat isolating...

As long as its real I guess I`ll get used to it.

SeaFireLIV...
Slowly mutating into a Hurricane Ordnance Whiner...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/littlelaff.jpg

Larry the LA5 soon realised the sound improvement in 1.22 was not so great....

A.K.Davis
01-22-2004, 04:02 PM
It's not so quiet when you start getting hit, or when your engine runs wild, or when you bail out and flak is bursting all around you. Just how combat is typically described: long periods of boredom followed by seconds of loud chaos.

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LuftKuhMist
01-22-2004, 04:11 PM
The sad thing with this room here is that when folks start to gang up and yell to change something they speak for the silent majority and waste the gaming experience for the others. I like the sound ambience we had before, now it's gone.

Oleg, you're not entitled to listen to mobs.

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JG77Hawk_9
01-22-2004, 04:19 PM
That's the beauty of flight, none of this delusional Hollywood sound effects stuff. Nice and tranqual until you hear the sound of bullets ripping though your plane or flack busts going of within 50m of you then you dump in your pants and fight for survival.

That's where it's at and I'm glad it is replicated. Kepp your head on a swivel and don't fly straight for more than a minute in a combat zone (-:

XyZspineZyX
01-22-2004, 05:11 PM
Yep, Ben Affleck has left the building, as has Charlton Heston.

You can't hear much BUT the engine.

I might make a few aural allowances for things that you can definitely *feel* in the seat of your pants, like guns firing, bomb release and such. That's a decent compromise.

But, aside from those, you hear your engine and whatever comes over the radio headset. And wind, if you're in an open canopy.

SKULLS_LZ
01-22-2004, 06:24 PM
The great thing about the patch 1.22 is you don't have to use it. If so many people like the sonar sound, they will stay on ver. 1.21, and those of us who prefer the more realistic sound will fly together on the 1.22 servers.

Don't everyone thank me at once.

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SeaFireLIV
01-22-2004, 07:48 PM
Tut, tut, tut.

All I`m saying is it makes a big difference, one that`s not been prevalent in previous flight sims.

I would RATHER have it this way if it`s real. All to the good. And all the more credit to Oleg. It takes a little getting used to the cocoon sound, but at the end of the day it`s how it was ( I am constantly told). So I`m staying with it!

SeaFireLIV...
Slowly mutating into a Hurricane Ordnance Whiner...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/littlelaff.jpg

Larry the LA5 soon realised the sound improvement in 1.22 was not so great....

noshens
01-22-2004, 08:29 PM
I like more the sound we had before especially when outside the cockpit. Oh well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Edit: wow we got new old smiling faces http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

LEXX_Luthor
01-22-2004, 09:07 PM
WHAT? They want the old sound back now? HAHA

I read about P-51 pilots and they would struggle to keep from falling asleep on those 6 hour missions. At high altitude, visually barren, it seems you are standing still (noted also by Apollo astronauts moving at 25000km/hr), head numbing drone of engine. The real fighter pilots always whined about sound too (and cockpit view).

The most historically correct thing about the FB is the Whining. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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gkll
01-22-2004, 11:00 PM
Planes are pretty loud. In my job I ride in helicopters and light planes on and off. Anyhow point is that you don't hear much but the motors and the headset, after a while the roar starts to feel like silence - flying is visual and tactile more than auditory.

Now with a force stick and good monitor the sound helps immersiveness for me - with as said already sound intervening when the ship is trouble - excellent!

By and by we'll probably get a slider for this, with a lock out switch in the difficulty settings. I like it the way it is but I predict next patch it comes back a little.

JG53Hunter
01-23-2004, 12:01 AM
I like the new sound! Its realy amasing that the feeling of flying has gotten even better. It adds alot of athmosphere to the game BECAUSE its quiet (i.E. no outside RADAR-Sound) and you only hear your Engine and somthing hitting your plane.

The sound is as it should be.

About the outside sound:
I remenber a post of Oleg where he wrote that the cockpit-sound and the outside-sound is connected in some way due to limitations of the sound engine. Therefore it is not possible to get them both in line. I prefer the good cockpit sound as it adds more realism to the game than the Star Wars TM Tie-Fighter-flyby sound mode we had before http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TheGozr
01-23-2004, 03:01 AM
isolating... that the word , it's exactly what you feel in real and than you learn the signs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Good stuff..

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Stalker58
01-23-2004, 04:12 AM
A loong time ago, when I was young http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif, my friend, active military pilot took me on ride in Yak 11 (military trainer), before flight he handed me pairs of ears plugs and insisted I really applied them, LOL! I tell you I NEVER forget the roaring of the engine! It was overhelming, even unbearable! The engine had only about 700 hp though.
Just imagine AS82FN in La5/7....

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

FI.Red.Lichtie
01-23-2004, 04:28 AM
I like the new sound now. Before I was hearing gunfire above my engine from a df going on which was nearly out of visual range a bit daft.

S!

JRH147
01-23-2004, 11:31 AM
I think the new sound is fantastic and I really hope they keep it this way.

Sturmtrooper
01-24-2004, 03:14 PM
Yes , the new sound is the best yet .
The reason all the other "games" (Apache/Havoc,CFS1-3,PAW,EAW,F-16) had non-isolated sounds is because they were "games".
They called themselves sims but they were games . Very arcade-ish .
Forgotten Battles is the only real air combat sim . You can play as arcade but it's designed as an immersive flight "simulator" .
And because of that high level of attention to detail the sound should be as "real" as possible .
When you are flying in your dream world don't fall asleep , it might then turn into a nitemare !!

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Recon_609IAP
01-24-2004, 04:30 PM
go tell that to the guy in the 'stupit' thread who is some sort of expert in sound theories.

now, all of a sudden he is a mig test pilot - amazing how the resume grows when one wants to win an argument

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Menthol_moose
01-24-2004, 10:21 PM
I dont know why is is just so damm hard to accept http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Some people should spend a few hours in a light aircraft with a tiny engine in comparision to the 30litre monsters in ww2.

Your ears will be ringing for quite a while afterwards.

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FourShades
01-25-2004, 08:22 AM
10 years ago I had the pleasure of living under the flight path of the WWII warbirds of Duxford Airfield in England. Every weekend in summer the pilots would test the 109s, Zeros, etc, zooming back and forth over my house for 30 min or so. I think a B-17 even flew past once at around 500 feet. It was so loud I had to cover my ears as I stood in my garden.

Curious, I started going to the museum at Duxford to see the aircraft. I witnessed a P-51 spooling up for take off at a distance of 60 yards from me. I heard many other aircraft with their unsilenced engines. Unless you have heard the sounds you will have NO IDEA of what it is really like, not even with 5.1 speakers. Maybe drag racing cars are similar.

I have also flown quite a few times in Cessna 172 aircraft. With all their modern environmental controls they are softly purring kittens in comparison to a 109 or a P-51. I am amazed that the WWII pilots could even hear the radios jammed in their ears! A bandit 300 m behind and below? - forget it!

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