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SkyChimp
05-15-2004, 01:51 PM
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SkyChimp
05-15-2004, 01:51 PM
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heywooood
05-15-2004, 01:55 PM
that nimble - agile Kingfisher... I hope we will get this 'uber' plane in PF http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MEGILE
05-15-2004, 02:21 PM
n00b http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

matkal80
05-15-2004, 03:00 PM
propaganda bull$hit

Art-J
05-15-2004, 03:44 PM
Why bull$it? .30 cal is a weapon nevertheless... It CAN damage/kill if pointed at something/someone. Although I agree that overall form of the article is typical for old goodie wartime propaganda stories. But It might happen. You get golden pilot/engine kills online once for a while (or You get killed that way), even with rifle-cal. rounds... I guess sometimes this happenned in RL as well.

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KIMURA
05-15-2004, 04:50 PM
Never known the Kingfisher had a hub gun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif At least the were some Japanese flatplane aces.

Kimura

RAC_Pips
05-15-2004, 05:16 PM
Any plane can get shot down.

Even the humble RAAF Wirraway managed to shoot down a A6M Zero off Gona in New Guinea in December '42.! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/wirraway.htm

stansdds
05-15-2004, 08:22 PM
Even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

heywooood
05-15-2004, 08:42 PM
All noobs are gonna control DF servers with the dreaded - killa Kingfisher !! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

Penguin_PFF
05-15-2004, 09:49 PM
Attaching a machine gun to a lower-performing plane doesn't automagically render it ineffective.

arcadeace
05-15-2004, 09:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by matkal80:
propaganda bull$hit<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, damn Yanks are at it again http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Spectre-63
05-16-2004, 06:34 AM
Any aircraft can down another as long as it has any gun mounted...as ArtJ pointed out, all that's necessary is for a single round to penetrate the canopy and kill the other pilot - end of story.

While I would also be surprised to hear of a Kingfisher downing a Zero, it's certainly not impossible and the possibility of it happening increased the later into the war we got. While the story doesn't appear to be dated, the battle on Iwo Jima took place in early '45 and Japan was light on qualified pilots at that point...this could've easily been some poor saps first and last combat flight.

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stansdds
05-16-2004, 09:05 AM
That is so true. By the end of the war, Axis pilots were pretty much being trained on the job in the combat zone. What a futile waste of human life. But, that is the nature of war. It isn't pretty, nor should it be.

Jieitai_Tsunami
05-16-2004, 09:24 AM
I wonder if we will get the Mitsubishi Zero-N flot plane. I love shooting people down in crazy planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Zyzbot
05-16-2004, 01:49 PM
"By afternoon, however, visibility had increased markedly, allowing the ship to assess her gunfire as landing "on target," in the third phase. Vicksburg had launched her Kingfisher at 1249, piloted by Lt. J. B. Nabors, Jr. At 1414, listeners on the radio circuit heard Nabors report that his aircraft was being fired upon by Japanese antiaircraft guns. Shortly thereafter, a Japanese A6M5 "Zeke" fighter attacked the slower, more vulnerable Kingfisher. The ensuing air battle did not last long, however, and ended happily for the American side, when another Kingfisher-from Pensacola-bagged the "Zeke," enabling Vicksburg's plane to resume her air spotting activities unhindered by enemy interference in the air. One-half hour later, Vicksburg completed Phase III of her gunfire assignment and recovered the Kingfisher."


http://www.sciencedaily.com/encyclopedia/uss_vicksburg__cl_86_

Latico
05-16-2004, 02:10 PM
It seems that their has been little discussion about the kills made by SBD's and TD's. Yes, they were slow movers, but they could turn pretty good and they had back seat gunners too.

From the CV6.Org site I read that the SBD squadrons found that the Japanese fighter pilots were reluctant to attack them as long as they were in formation. One account from a VB-6 action report during the Battle of Midway sort of went like this.

They approached the Japanese Fleet out of the sun @ Alt of about 18,000 Ft. Pushed over into a standard 70 degree dive, released their ordnance at about 1,500 ft and leveled out at about 200 ft, reforming ASAP. They stayed at about 200 to 300 ft as they egressed outbound of the fleet screen, passing between the ships. By staying low as they flew between the screen it forced the screen ships to cease fire or risk hitting their own ships accross the way. (This happened amoung US screens as well, resulting from damage from friendly fire.)

Staying low until the VB's were well away from the enemy fleet served another purpose. Japanese CAP could not attack them from below, forcing them to have to risk being shot at by the back seaters in an approach from above, especially when there was more than one VB or VT in a formation.

Anything airborne with armament was potentially deadly.

LeadSpitter_
05-16-2004, 03:48 PM
why bs, look at ki43s and thier weapons. They downs many us aircraft seems some dont realize how fragile aircraft are aluminum wood and even heavily armored aircraft.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg

Penguin_PFF
05-16-2004, 06:43 PM
Wasn't Saburo Sakai very nearly killed by the gunner of either a TBF or an SBD? I think it was the latter. Funny things happen when you turn loose pieces of metal at high speeds. The laws of probabilty start to get a little warped once you go above about 50mph... The next thing you know, you've got Kingfishers whacking Zeros with small-caliber guns...

ELEM
05-17-2004, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Penguin_PFF:
Wasn't Saburo Sakai very nearly killed by the gunner of either a TBF or an SBD? I think it was the latter. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No it was the former.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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Ankanor
05-17-2004, 06:28 AM
you should also add that the SBDs would turn every time a Zero dived, forcing the Zero pilot fire big deflection bursts. Also, most of the Zeros remaining on CAP were low on fuel and ammo. and that Zero is nothing but a flying torch. As someone once said "harsh words will do" to shoot it down

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Latico
05-17-2004, 06:13 PM
AS many of you may know, of the first VT flight (15 planes) from the Hornet, during the Battle of Midway, All were shot down by the Japanese CAP. I haven't heard or seen anything as to how many of the Zekes may have been shot down by the Devastaters before they were all anniliated.

Giganoni
05-17-2004, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
why bs, look at ki43s and thier weapons. They downs many us aircraft seems some dont realize how fragile aircraft are aluminum wood and even heavily armored aircraft.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you need proof of the effectiveness of the Ki-43's puny armament, look no further than Anabuki Satoshi, greatest JAAF ace of the war. You've all heard of him.

Gunner_361st
05-17-2004, 07:47 PM
I sure haven't, Giganoni.

But I have heard of and read about a few Imperial Japanese Navy flyers, including Sakai, Nishisawa (spelling may be off) and Ota.

If you could post a link or some information about him, I'm all ears. Or really, it'd be eyes, on here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Giganoni
05-17-2004, 07:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gunner_361st:
I sure haven't, Giganoni.

But I have heard of and read about a few Imperial Japanese Navy flyers, including Sakai, Nishisawa (spelling may be off) and Ota.

If you could post a link or some information about him, I'm all ears. Or really, it'd be eyes, on here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Major Gunner of the 361st vFG

http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1087.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if you'd like some info. Here is his most famous exploit

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/anabuki/anabuki.htm

Also according to Henry Sakaida's B-29 Hunters of the JAAF he invented a way for JAAF pilots to fly at bombers that became known as the "Anabuki Run"

Most of his 50+ "kills" were in a Ki-43. He got 8 or so in a Ki-84, according to this JAAF Aces book I have.