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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:04 AM
And I'm not talking about the beta patch either...

I just hopped in the P47 in a scripted server. Result; 4 ground kills + 1 air kill and a sh*tload of points in two flights.

It was the first time I managed to really influence the battle by myself; sure no dogfight allowed, but heck those 0.50 can destroy anything anytime, even out of convergence range.

Really I don't know what the guys who complain about the firepower do not to be able to shoot something down.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:04 AM
And I'm not talking about the beta patch either...

I just hopped in the P47 in a scripted server. Result; 4 ground kills + 1 air kill and a sh*tload of points in two flights.

It was the first time I managed to really influence the battle by myself; sure no dogfight allowed, but heck those 0.50 can destroy anything anytime, even out of convergence range.

Really I don't know what the guys who complain about the firepower do not to be able to shoot something down.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:08 AM
nicolas10 wrote:
- Really I don't know what the guys who complain about
- the firepower do not to be able to shoot something
- down.


Neither do I Nic. The P-47 rocks and is my second favorite plane.

I'm pretty sure the complainers are right about the roll rate being a little sluggish but overall she kicks name and takes arse.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:09 AM
You can shoot FW190 all day long with .50cal.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:23 AM
carguy_ wrote:
- You can shoot FW190 all day long with .50cal.



You may break for lunch early if you aim for the engine.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:24 AM
At first I took 3 bombs and rockets, then only rockets, and then I realised I didn't need either and I just selected extra ammo and straffed the blue side to oblivion.

It's the king of scripted servers.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:32 AM
I agree with you nic..... The Jug is great and is only going to be better with the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:39 AM
pre patch jug cannot compete in dogfight servers unless you fly with wingmen and stay over 5,000 meters. or in no icon cockpit off games. i enjoy the jug in those. but thats the ONLY way itll stay alive. jug is junk otherwise. after patch hopefully it rocks

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 01:49 AM
Better yes. Rocks no.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:01 AM
rats

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:02 AM
Our hope lies with the P-51.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:11 AM
shoot 190s from the bottom right behind the pilot 1 second they explode, .50s are pretty effect against german a/c but not the ruskie planes, you can shoot all your ammo into a i153 or i16 flying level online and they will be fine if thier pilot isnt killed.

The jug is pretty badly buthered in this sim paul c said who actually flew the thing


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:14 AM
In the beta patch, the .50's on the P-40 seem weak compared to the P-47. I hope the P-51 is more like the P-47 than the P-40 in firepower.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:43 AM
Funny the differnt interpretations we can get. I thought the P40s guns were a beast in the patch. Just goes to show how subjective we can be. I can see why the US choose to use them on fighter cause they can really cause some pain.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 02:45 AM
well also you almost don't have to aim with those 8 0.50s

btw, why did u think the USAF used it with much teamwork + high alt + alt advantage uh?

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 03:08 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- pre patch jug cannot compete in dogfight servers
- unless you fly with wingmen and stay over 5,000
- meters. or in no icon cockpit off games. i enjoy the
- jug in those. but thats the ONLY way itll stay
- alive. jug is junk otherwise. after patch hopefully
- it rocks



ONLY???


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 03:12 AM
Welcome to the dark side!!!

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The_Blue_Devil
07-26-2003, 04:29 AM
carguy_ wrote:
- You can shoot FW190 all day long with .50cal.
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Not in the patch cupcake..enjoy it now because the small caliber damage model is fixed...FW wings and tails tend to come off nicely at convergence.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:44 AM
Yep, the Jug is very sluggish in a climb from low altitudes!
But deadly divin' down on ya from the ceiling! Eight .50 calibers blastin' away!


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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 04:53 AM
I hope the dive is fixed. Right now everything dives the same. And, I too, find the only way to kill a fw with the fifties is dead on convergence and put them into the engine and cockpit.

The Jug is better in the FR and near FR servers. Is terrible in the close base all views. Just got out of a game that was a perfect example, 4 times in a row, as I took off was shot down or shot at by ME262 that just hung around until someone tried to take off.
I guess they were trying to compensate for lack of ability or something. Vulching was suppose to be prohibited but what is the diff between wheels down and wheels barely up?

Anyway, most of FB takes place on the deck. If you fly around high and wait on someone to come up, it only works if everyone else on your team is doing the same thing.
I don't expect the Jug to be a Yak but good grief. I have cautious hope for the patch.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 07:06 AM
The p47 imo is the best Bomber in the game right next too the FWF8 there bolth tuff fast with masive payloads

I dont use rockets but I slam thoes 500's & 1000 into there AC ............... What a blast !!!

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 09:57 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- shoot 190s from the bottom right behind the pilot 1
- second they explode, .50s are pretty effect against
- german a/c but not the ruskie planes, you can shoot
- all your ammo into a i153 or i16 flying level online
- and they will be fine if thier pilot isnt killed.

My only online kill with a P47 (I don't fly it much)
was an I153, at about 100 yards, half second burst.
Took the wing off.

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 10:28 AM
nicolas10 wrote:
- At first I took 3 bombs and rockets, then only
- rockets, and then I realised I didn't need either
- and I just selected extra ammo and straffed the blue
- side to oblivion.


Dont bother with rockets, they historically came with an HUGE speed loss : some 96mph/~160kph according to my US Army handbook. And they werent jettisonable, unlike 21cm rockets . though in Il-2 the latter are neither. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

6 freakin rockets dont worth that much.

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Tully__
07-26-2003, 11:17 AM
I've always struggled with the Jug, but today found my stride with it. A combination of teamwork, patience & caution led to me finding that the 0.50's can be brutal to the target fixated or un-aware. Just don't try to turn in it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:28 PM
I find it to be a point-magnet too nicolas10. I've racked up a steady 1,000+ in scripted servers using the P-47-22 with a full load of bombs and rockets (and my lead cap that prevents me from "hearing" the wailing from the poor guys that I ppick off on the ground).

I think the main problem with the P-47 family is that once someone's on your tail you HAVE to resist the urge to turn with them. Turn and you're dead... Also, caught low with low-medium speed any Bf-109 or Fw-190 can catch you. So stay high, dive down and do your thing, then zoom back up and extend. And never ever turn with anyone under any circumstances!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 12:33 PM
Recently I've been playing a coop up at 8-10,000 metres. The P-47 is just amazing at that alt and even better in the patched version.

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XyZspineZyX
07-26-2003, 05:31 PM
If you fly the JUG as intended, you'll be a killa. You might even get kicked off of the server if you shoot the host down too much in his FW's and Uber Yak's. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif If you fly it any other way you'll die. Simple. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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