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VonShlagnoff
06-15-2004, 05:06 AM
seems to work ok off of the link in ironmans thread.

VonShlagnoff
06-15-2004, 05:06 AM
seems to work ok off of the link in ironmans thread.

Yellonet
06-15-2004, 06:10 AM
I know. Some people just doesn't trust honest folk http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

There is of course a posibility that the patch we have isn't the finished product.

BTW, I love the "new" .50 cal. =D


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Huxley_S
06-15-2004, 06:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>BTW, I love the "new" .50 cal. =D<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really?

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
06-15-2004, 06:21 AM
i got the patch and its awesome
.50cals are brutal now with the fixed dispersion
FW190s dont bleed E so much and is now the fighter it should be esp the D9

the Spit MIX is fixed and turns like hell

and all weapons including LW seem to fire tighter together in a straight line IMO

im happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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DarthBane_
06-15-2004, 06:43 AM
Spitfire is new tie interceptor, turns like ufo cannons are devastating, best virtual aircraft in game now. Servers will be loaded with IX versions. New official newbie plane.
Good work whiners! 50 cal works like mk108, good work from gib the top american whiner, maybe your mission isnt over yet, try to convince developers to make american machines ufos like spit is now. S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

WOLFMondo
06-15-2004, 06:57 AM
If it was the way of the luftwhiners every US and British plane would turn like a 747, climb like the Sopwith Camel, have guns no better than .22 pistols and DM that means even looking at a Allied plane means it will burn.

Im sure all the WW2 Luftwaffe pilots sent letters to Reg Mitchel asking him to put bugs in the spitfire cause all the RAF pilots were n00bs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif and didn't want to fly anything else.

Now what was it Galland said to Georing?

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DarthBane_
06-15-2004, 07:18 AM
You mean about 109e? Your funy litle guy.
You dont remember what happened when they met F or FW? Anyway spit is the official noob plane now, will be interesting to fight with ufos online. This is a game, spit is ufo, well ok, life goes on. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RAF238thKnight
06-15-2004, 07:50 AM
I dont have the patch yet and would like to test it myself. Spit should turn quite well that is a proven fact as long as the speed is kept up. Im tired of the whining. If the makers are trying to make it as close to historical as possible and it as been a work in progress(Keep workin guys). I feel we are not giving them enough breathing room to work we all, including myself someimes jump to conclusions. Maybe they made it correct as they could and this is the way it should have been before. So the spit if turning correctly and as close as they can make it deal with it or post data that contradicts what they have done. To keep spouting off only shows your lack of historical books and knowledge on the subject. If there data is wrong prove it to us then you will carry more weight then just commenting.

Knight

Ki_Rin
06-15-2004, 07:51 AM
.50 cal just like mk 108?....does that include outrageeous muzzle flash, too?.....if not, then put the .50s on the Ki84C, lol....and I doubt that anything can be more ufo or noob than La7...<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Spitfire is new tie interceptor, turns like ufo cannons are devastating, best virtual aircraft in game now. Servers will be loaded with IX versions. New official newbie plane.
Good work whiners! 50 cal works like mk108, good work from gib the top american whiner, maybe your mission isnt over yet, try to convince developers to make american machines ufos like spit is now. S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Nub_322Sqn
06-15-2004, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF238thKnight:
I dont have the patch yet and would like to test it myself. Spit should turn quite well that is a proven fact as long as the speed is kept up. Im tired of the whining. If the makers are trying to make it as close to historical as possible and it as been a work in progress(Keep workin guys). I feel we are not giving them enough breathing room to work we all, including myself someimes jump to conclusions. Maybe they made it correct as they could and this is the way it should have been before. So the spit if turning correctly and as close as they can make it deal with it or post data that contradicts what they have done. To keep spouting off only shows your lack of historical books and knowledge on the subject. If there data is wrong prove it to us then you will carry more weight then just commenting.

Knight<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I read some interesting bits in this trail document: http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit9tactical.html

Sight view Spit IX compared to Spit Vc:

"Sighting View: The Spitfire IX is fitted with the G.M.2 pilots reflector sight and although the aircraft is longer in the nose than the Spitfire VC, the 100 m.p.h. ring of the sight is still just clear of the nose"

Turn Spit IX against Spit Vc:

"Manoeuvrability: The Spitfire IX was compared with a Spitfire VC for turning circles and dog-fighting at heights between 15,000 and 30,000 feet. At 15,000 feet there was little to choose between the two aircraft although the superior speed and climb of the Spitfire IX enabled it to break off its attack by climbing away and then attacking in a dive. This manoeuvre was assisted by the negative 'G' carburettor, as it was possible to change rapidly from climb to dive without the engine cutting. At 30,000 feet there is still little to choose between the two aircraft in manoeurvrability, but the superiority in speed and climb of the Spitfire IX becomes outstanding. The pilot of the Spitfire VC found it difficult to maintain a steep turn without losing height, whereas the pilot of the Spitfire IX found that he had a large reserve of power which enabled him to maintain height without trouble. The all-round performance of the Spitfire IX at 30,000 feet is most impressive"

And: "Short trials were carried out against a Typhoon I and the Spitfire IX was found to be more manoeuvrable and superior in climb but inferior in dive. During a dog-fight at 18,000 feet the Spitfire out-turned the Typhoon and got on its tail after 1 1/2 turns"

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[This message was edited by Nub_322Sqn on Tue June 15 2004 at 07:10 AM.]

DarthBane_
06-15-2004, 08:13 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ki_Rin:
.50 cal just like mk 108?....does that include outrageeous muzzle flash, too?.....if not, then put the .50s on the Ki84C, lol....and I doubt that anything can be more ufo or noob than La7...[QUOTE]

La7? lol spit is the new kids on the block toy.
La7 is difficult to fly comparing to this arcade star. Someone mentioned data? lol i like to play and when i work i do it for money only. But when you play, it is easy to see which plane is flying arcadish, dont need charts for that.

Nub_322Sqn
06-15-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
La7? lol spit is the new kids on the block toy.
La7 is difficult to fly comparing to this arcade star. Someone mentioned data? lol i like to play and when i work i do it for money only. But when you play, it is easy to see which plane is flying arcadish, dont need charts for that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it's much better to complain and make claims without backup documents.
People will take you more serious that way.

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Locust_
06-15-2004, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DarthBane_:
Spitfire is new tie interceptor, turns like ufo cannons are devastating, best virtual aircraft in game now. Servers will be loaded with IX versions. New official newbie plane.
Good work whiners! 50 cal works like mk108, good work from gib the top american whiner, maybe your mission isnt over yet, try to convince developers to make american machines ufos like spit is now. S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree that the Spit is now turns very hard it also does some stupid manuvers @ high speed if the stick is yanked (test it) what a joke,

I think the spit needed to turn better than it was but not like this LOL.

I dont agree with your 50cal comment thoes guns were wicked & alwayes should have been modled well theyve alwayes been slop now they are closer to how they should be.

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carguy_
06-15-2004, 08:20 AM
Yeah well if .50 is mightier than MK108 then Luftwhiners will be heard of.I guarantee that.

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Cajun76
06-15-2004, 09:16 AM
What DarthBane_'s concise analysis doesn't take into effect is that he's not dealing with "One" .50cal at a time. A P-47 spits out about 6800 rounds a minute, or 113 rounds per second. That's a lot of firepower. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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Scragbat
06-15-2004, 09:22 AM
It was said it was going to be released on Monday. It wasn't but we have the unofficial leaked version which most seem to be happy with.

I suspect there could be something seriously wrong with it if they suddenly hold it back.

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Prof.Wizard
06-15-2004, 09:53 AM
I decided to wait...

However let me say this: it's a shame whiners influence the FMs more than actual facts/charts. And this goes to all, Luftwhiners and Allied-whiners alike. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

I hope it was a beta and the final batch is perfect.

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269GA-Veltro
06-15-2004, 10:04 AM
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[This message was edited by Veltro on Tue June 15 2004 at 02:58 PM.]

nixon-fiend.
06-15-2004, 10:18 AM
What's all this boll*cks?

You are kidding yourselves if you think Oleg and his team have been picking through hundreds of pages of your forum whining, arguments & *****ing - taking in everything you guys have said - and implenting it into the game.

Maddox deals in data, not knee jerk reactions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Oh and btw, the spit IX is a beautiful plane, I'm English - so it means something to me - i fly it whenever i can...

But, it really isn't all that.. I can meet any spit on favourable terms in a Gustav.

And it will be easy meat to an la5fn/7, late yak, p51, A9, d9, k4, g10 etc.

You guys just want something to jump on and tear up.

Well get your foul greasy mitts off the supermarine.

269GA-Veltro
06-15-2004, 10:30 AM
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[This message was edited by Veltro on Tue June 15 2004 at 02:57 PM.]

Atomic_Marten
06-15-2004, 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
If it was the way of the luftwhiners every US and British plane would turn like a 747, climb like the Sopwith Camel, have guns no better than .22 pistols and DM that means even looking at a Allied plane means it will burn.

Im sure all the WW2 Luftwaffe pilots sent letters to Reg Mitchel asking him to put bugs in the spitfire cause all the RAF pilots were n00bs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif and didn't want to fly anything else.

Now what was it Galland said to Georing?

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He say someting like this during BoB:"Gimme a bunch of Spitfires and we will won..." or something like that, obviously points superiority of Spit over Bf109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Atomic_Marten
06-15-2004, 05:21 PM
And yes, about bombs & Hurri... nice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Because of that maybe I start some campaigns with Hurri2 included http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif. I think Seafire will be happy... still remember his pic with Hurri in library http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DarthBane_
06-15-2004, 05:50 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cajun76:
What DarthBane_'s concise analysis doesn't take into effect is that he's not dealing with "One" .50cal at a time. A P-47 spits out about 6800 rounds a minute, or 113 rounds per second. That's a lot of firepower. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76
QUOTE]

Its a lot of firepower with the crystal clear view while shooting, i enyojed keeping shots constant on distant target, it desintegrates quickly, great. But than you fire from mk108 and stay blinded, you dont see hits from flashes, frames get lost in proces. Flashes from in bulge guns also denie posibility to see where you hit. I am sory for the lack of concise analysis but this is how the things work in game. Actualy in daylight this can hardly be true, at night maybe. Very quickly we got fix for 50cal, what about this issues? They stay from original il2 without change.
But spitfire is a yoke in patch, no need for charts.
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HG_Neo
06-15-2004, 06:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
He say someting like this during BoB:"Gimme a bunch of Spitfires and we will won..." or something like that, obviously points superiority of Spit over Bf109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He said something like "If you want me to win this then get me some SPITFIRES!!!!

So stop attacking the spit. The LA7 is always recommended to Noobs online.

hughlb2
06-15-2004, 06:51 PM
This is really frustrating http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

My spit sounds like she's been fixed and I can't wait to fly her http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

But I'm waiting for the patch to be officially released on this sitehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

HURRY UP UBI!!!

THARN33
06-15-2004, 06:52 PM
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Huxley_S
06-15-2004, 06:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My spit sounds like she's been fixed and I can't wait to fly her<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah. She's really, really nice to fly now. Shhh. She's waiting for you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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HellToupee
06-15-2004, 07:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cajun76:
What DarthBane_'s concise analysis doesn't take into effect is that he's not dealing with "One" .50cal at a time. A P-47 spits out about 6800 rounds a minute, or 113 rounds per second. That's a lot of firepower. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

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What if there were no hypothetical questions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But then the 12gun hurrrie shoots more :P the weight of fire from the p47 is compareable to the spit IX, but then the spit IX chews things pretty good.

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DINGHAO
06-16-2004, 11:27 PM
1 problem with Hurri 2b implementation of bombs.

Fly inverted. Drop bombs. They rise to infinity?

Hoarmurath
06-16-2004, 11:49 PM
ahem.... when you quote Galland, do it well at least...

Galland himself said he preferred the 109, but he was so upset after Goering bitter recriminations against fighters pilots during the BoB, that when the ReichMarschall asked if they needed something, Galland answered "A squadron of spitfire, herr Reichmarschall"...

The Spitfire was indeed a better turner than the 109. But the 109 had other advantages.

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wayno7777
06-17-2004, 12:13 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
ahem.... when you quote Galland, do it well at least...

Galland himself said he preferred the 109, but he was so upset after Goering bitter recriminations against fighters pilots during the BoB, that when the ReichMarschall asked if they needed something, Galland answered "A squadron of spitfire, herr Reichmarschall"...BUMP
Veltro


posted 15-06-04 09:04
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Man of few words department.
Maybe the leaked patch is to find out how we would react. Might be a fishing expedition.


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BennyMoore
06-17-2004, 12:33 AM
Take off your rose-tinted shades, Nixonfiend.

Vladimir_No2
06-17-2004, 12:59 AM
any change to the .303s in the patch? I am sick of
hundreds of rounds into my opponent only to be crippled by 2 .50 cal bullets.

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Atomic_Marten
06-17-2004, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
ahem.... when you quote Galland, do it well at least...

Galland himself said he preferred the 109, but he was so upset after Goering bitter recriminations against fighters pilots during the BoB, that when the ReichMarschall asked if they needed something, Galland answered "A squadron of spitfire, herr Reichmarschall"...

The Spitfire was indeed a better turner than the 109. But the 109 had other advantages.

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Yes, exactly that... you've to got a lot of ballz to say something like that to the second man in 3rd reich. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

But WW1 ace failed to see that the bomber squads in BoB campaign got to have better fighter escorts - he is boosting power of German bombers too much. Not to mention tottaly wrong tactic turning from bombing a fighter RAF airfields to cities in GB.