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christopher65
04-19-2004, 02:44 AM
Played around with this plane the other day and found it way too easy to take-off in.Didnt seem to matter what direction or angle you were at it just lifted into the air???
Love the plane so was concerned that the FM was at fault.Take off with the external view to see what I mean.
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christopher65
04-19-2004, 02:44 AM
Played around with this plane the other day and found it way too easy to take-off in.Didnt seem to matter what direction or angle you were at it just lifted into the air???
Love the plane so was concerned that the FM was at fault.Take off with the external view to see what I mean.
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jeanba2
04-19-2004, 03:58 AM
This aircraft was qualified by a lot of test pilots as the most pleasant aircraft to fly (equal ot close to the gladiator) : easy to takeoff, easy to land, easy to maneuver

FourShades
04-19-2004, 04:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>easy to takeoff, easy to land, easy to maneuver <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well yes, but the nose-up visibility is extremely poor, at least in-game, if not IRL. This makes run-up and taxiing very difficult, especially in crosswinds.

Even so, I still like these planes!

Have fun,
IV/JG7_4Shades

xanty
04-19-2004, 04:57 AM
Believe me, the 3D is accurate. It did have poor forward visibility, specially if your head is stock in a single place. (IE: no head movement).

I try to fly out of the gunsight view most of the time, sice it allows for wider view (POV on the head rest) and only use gunsight to close kills.

Mapping view keys to joystick helps alot. Try it.

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WUAF_Badsight
04-19-2004, 05:10 AM
i thought the CR42 & the Gladiator were equals in turning ability ?

i mean that they were said to be equals with the differences between then being limited to a Speed & Firepower differencee ?

it sure aint like that in the game

mike_espo
04-19-2004, 08:22 AM
I love flying the CR.42 Falco. It does have some issues though. Spinning for one. Oleg said it would be addressed in the patch.

It does have a short take off run. About 275m. It reminds me of the I-153 though as it rotates to left as soon as wheels are up. I agree about the view. It is essential to map the views to the joystick/throttle. Its the only way to get kills in the Falco. I am quite successful with it as long as my opponents are obliging to turn with me.

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pdog1
04-19-2004, 08:24 AM
Yep badsight you is right.
But Oleg says he will not fix cr42, this is what he told me in an email

"CR42 will stall anyway as it is becasue it is the sceme of this plane such.... with moved back center of gravity. Wrong desing"

No Oleg you is wrong. If it was wrong design why did pilots like to fly it and why were so many produced that could manuever very well if it was wrong design.

So Cr42 FM will remain porked because Oleg hates italians.

mike_espo
04-19-2004, 08:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
Yep badsight you is right.
But Oleg says he will not fix cr42, this is what he told me in an email

"CR42 will stall anyway as it is becasue it is the sceme of this plane such.... with moved back center of gravity. Wrong desing"

No Oleg you is wrong. If it was wrong design why did pilots like to fly it and why were so many produced that could manuever very well if it was wrong design.

So Cr42 FM will remain porked because Oleg hates italians.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If what you say is true, Perhaps Pdog, you are right...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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mike_espo
04-19-2004, 08:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i thought the CR42 & the Gladiator were equals in turning ability ?

i mean that they were said to be equals with the differences between then being limited to a Speed & Firepower differencee ?

it sure aint like that in the game<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All sources I have read state that the Falco was superior to the Gladiator. In Africa, Greece, and Italian East Africa.....

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F19_Orheim
04-19-2004, 08:33 AM
Pdog, that is unfortunate, I too "feel" that it shouldn't go into spin that easily. However I have no facts.

BUT!
Would be great if you could find hard evidence to put forward rather than a "lame" argument that it is how it is because Oleg does not like Italians...
I dont think that sole argument help our case, do you?


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pdog1
04-19-2004, 08:44 AM
I have all the hard evidence i need oleg saying wrong desing, which is not true, would a plane with wrong desing be good at manuevering, or all you infidels think that all italians lost dogfights simply because their falco's stalled in and crash, you infidels would like to belive that wouldn't you.

Abraxa
04-19-2004, 08:58 AM
I'm an Italian too but I don't believe that what can be less convincing in the Falco's FM is due to a negative bias.
Let's put it this way. In a flight sim, where there is a lack of detailed infos and tests on a specific plane, the FM is mostly a matter of a "clever guess".
This guess can be more or less pleasing, more or les "clever" but it has anyway a quite big part of "guessing" you cannot eliminate.
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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-19-2004, 09:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:

... or all you infidels think that all italians lost dogfights simply because their falco's stalled in and crash, you infidels would like to belive that wouldn't you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Infidels? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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pdog1
04-19-2004, 12:11 PM
this is what you infidels think no... that because its italian it must be crap and stall all over the sky and have missing ammo rounds (in case of g50)
this is what common history has done, you know the saying "the victors write the history" or some such, and nothing can be written further from the truth here. strange tough even in western publications the falco is noted as being outclassed but still have good flight characteristics, not stalling all over the place like currently.. due to incorret center of gravity, where does Oleg come up with this stuff? but if something is russian its automatically 50% performance increase, etc...
how come the falco stalls more than the p39?
hmm..in IL2 orignal p39 stalled like it should not anymore, vvs conspiracy be sure.
you is wrong.