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LuckyBoy1
05-22-2004, 02:07 AM
The planes chug, lug, and want to spit instead of running in that desert heat from what I've seen from just a couple of hours of playing in a dogfight room with a desert map. They overheat even at 90% power or less. Hey, just like real life back when I flew real planes. All in all it was quite enjoyable and really added to the "immersion" factor. You should have heard the children whine though! They didn't like it. They had to like, think and manage a less than perfect situation! Not all was Uber for anyone flying in that heat. I even love the slower throttle run ups just like in real life. Please 1C Maddox and UBISoft, don't change a thing on this one! Your modelling is just fine!

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LuckyBoy1
05-22-2004, 02:07 AM
The planes chug, lug, and want to spit instead of running in that desert heat from what I've seen from just a couple of hours of playing in a dogfight room with a desert map. They overheat even at 90% power or less. Hey, just like real life back when I flew real planes. All in all it was quite enjoyable and really added to the "immersion" factor. You should have heard the children whine though! They didn't like it. They had to like, think and manage a less than perfect situation! Not all was Uber for anyone flying in that heat. I even love the slower throttle run ups just like in real life. Please 1C Maddox and UBISoft, don't change a thing on this one! Your modelling is just fine!

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Matz0r
05-22-2004, 02:42 AM
Yeah the dessertmap is awesome. Fly with your radiator open and keep throttle and rpm's down. Above 2000m air gets cooler and easier to keep your engine cool. IMHO overheating is too friendly overall in the game - it should be like the desertmap at all times and even worse problems on the dessert map.

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BigPhatBubba
05-22-2004, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matz0r:
Yeah the dessertmap is awesome. Fly with your radiator open and keep throttle and rpm's down. Above 2000m air gets cooler and easier to keep your engine cool. IMHO overheating is too friendly overall in the game - it should be like the desertmap at all times and even worse problems on the dessert map.

http://home.swipnet.se/hotascougar/pics/p51blamgreysmall.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it more like 1000m. But on the new map, it seems to make no difference how high you fly. The AI controlled planes don't have any problems with the engine overheating (IMO).

Bubba

robban75
05-22-2004, 06:37 AM
I just had my first online session after the patch. It was on the African map.
I took off in a Ta 152 using 90% throttle and fully open rads. At 1000m I dropped the throttle to 80%, rads fully open all the time. 5 minutes later I was flying at 3500m when I engaged a P-51. I never went full throttle during this engagement. He dove away and escaped. Seconds later I engaged a K-4. Knowing the insane climbrate on the K-4 I went full throttle with MW50 and zoomed upwards(which I engaged on the ground when the engine was on idle). A few seconds later I get an overheat warning message. So I throttle down. I'm now at 4000m. The OH message goes away, but the engine sounds funny. And 30 seconds later my engine quits.

What's up with this? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Is this just for the African map or,,,,?

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Zen--
05-22-2004, 08:35 AM
Any chance manual pitch engaged during this time Robban? Dora and Ta are now similar to K4 when manual pitch is used at maximum boost and the engine will burn out quickly.

Just curious

-Zen-

BlackSqn81
05-22-2004, 09:08 AM
i dont have any experince in flying myself so its just common-sence(as far as i can manage) but i think the desert/heat factor is to strong...been flying in a SpitV at 4000m (yes 4k) radiator full open, 2000-2300 RPM and still it was overheating...at 4k even above the desert it should be pretty cold...

LuckyBoy1
05-22-2004, 11:28 AM
It's not just the "map" I want to thank them for. It is the affect the map has on engine performance as well as airfoil efficiency! Is it perfectly modelled? Who knows and to a very large degree, I don't care because it reminds me so much of my real life flying under hot conditions, that it lends itself beautifully to helping my "immersion" factor for the game. They actually put some effort into this one. Anyone flying this map will have to think before hitting "warp speed" or WEP. They will have to carefully decide if the heavier bomb or gun pods are worth it. Finally, pilots will have to think and think hard! I'm very happy with getting more than just a "map" out of the deal! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Shrimp2
05-22-2004, 11:42 AM
Hi all,

I don't have any solid knowledge about this but as far as I know some 'desert planes' were modified to have larger radiators.

I recall some pictures of desert Hurries and Spits.

I don't know for the German ones but I think D-9s and Ta's never saw action over the desert so they were probably never equiped for such adverse (hot weather) operations.

Even today war jets have/had their 'heat' problems in operations such as Desert Storm.

The good part of it is that the heat is everyone's problem, so all players have to deal and suffer with it!

LuckyBoy1
05-22-2004, 01:38 PM
Exactly ShrimpDude! People would join the server I was on, fly a couple of minutes and then whine and leave. Personally, I think it's a great challenge and will help those that want the "immersion" factor to appreciate what truly delicate things airplanes are and how insane it is to even contemplate getting into one to fightr a war even under the most ideal circumstances. Yes, the desert ground crews did all they could to help with cooling issues. Even so, if you add another core to the radiator behind what you've already got (and this assumes there's room for the add-on) it is of limited benefit. Then your only other choice is to open up the airflow more and this creates drag, so you end up applying more throttle and in the end, is not as complete a solution as you might think.

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robban75
05-22-2004, 05:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
Any chance manual pitch engaged during this time Robban? Dora and Ta are now similar to K4 when manual pitch is used at maximum boost and the engine will burn out quickly.

Just curious

-Zen-
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope, I was on auto all the time. But perhaps Shrimp2 is on to something? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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SeaFireLIV
05-22-2004, 06:29 PM
LuckyBoy1

That sounds really good and quite realistic. I haven`t flown on it yet. I really hope Oleg doesn`t suddenly change it because whiners can`t handle the realism. The chopping and changing to make things easier and easier will ruin FB/AEP, he must keep some authenticity to all aircraft`s character and performance in varying situations, even if people don`t like it. KEEP IT REALhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Fillmore
05-22-2004, 11:02 PM
My one gripe is that the temperature guages do not read properly. I fly the Antons a whole lot and have been flying them on the desert map alot today. But the engine/oil (still not sure if it is oil temp or head temp) temp guage reads well below overheat point, yet the engine is overheating. The behaviour wrt altitude and where it overheats with engine settings seems fine, but I would like to be able to use the guage so I have an idea how cool my engine is before I enter combat, and so I can find cruise settings where it will not just not overheat, but stay cool enough to give me some extra time for when I enter combat. On the other maps when you see the guage is below the max you know your engine is cooler than max so it won't overheat instantly when you throttle up, but on this map the guage can read below max and you are still overheating.

ucanfly
05-23-2004, 12:39 AM
I find the overheat to be overmodeled when I can't maintain 75% throttle with wide open rad in a 110 or spit (auto pitch) and have to frequently go below 50 % throttle to cool down after a few minutes of flight. OK cmon now, yes we all notice the effect, but it a question of degree (or degrees). With this map I can barely lumber along with some planes. Seems overdone to me. Especially annoying is reading the coolant and oil temps and not seeing them indicate a problem before the overheat message kicks off.

VF-10_Snacky
05-23-2004, 03:11 AM
At first I was one of the dumb ones who thought the engine overheat had an issue then I realized its a freakin DESERT! LOL

"Son of a B**ch! that's gonna hurt!"

Extreme_One
05-23-2004, 03:17 AM
I agree.
The new desert map is awesome!

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