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PCPlod
02-13-2004, 07:56 AM
I had heard of this film on this forum some time ago so imagine my excitement when Sky Cinema 1 showed it for the first time on Wendesday.
What a fantastic film, almost had me in tears. To anyone who hasn't seen it yet then I suggest you do. Probably one of the best war films there is. Oh yeah and Tara Fitzgerald is definetley one of the sexiest women alive, unfortunately she doesn't take many of her clothes off in this which is unusual for her.

PCPlod
02-13-2004, 07:56 AM
I had heard of this film on this forum some time ago so imagine my excitement when Sky Cinema 1 showed it for the first time on Wendesday.
What a fantastic film, almost had me in tears. To anyone who hasn't seen it yet then I suggest you do. Probably one of the best war films there is. Oh yeah and Tara Fitzgerald is definetley one of the sexiest women alive, unfortunately she doesn't take many of her clothes off in this which is unusual for her.

NorrisMcWhirter
02-13-2004, 08:09 AM
Hi,

I saw this a while back...it was a good film but the dialogue was a bit pants at times. It was unusual to see Tara without something hanging out. Maybe, in a Dennis Pennis way, both because of artistic reasons (and cash), she decided to keep her togs on for once http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Friendly_flyer
02-13-2004, 09:40 AM
It is a beautiful film, and the flight scenes are far better than those in Pearl Harbour. As for clothing, I don't think Fizgerald taking her kit off would make the film better filmaticly. It would be a tad more interesting to watch perhaps, but it would not contribute to the story.

The film is a must for all those Spit-lovers and BoB enthusuats out there!

Fly friendly!

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Endy1
02-13-2004, 10:09 AM
Great film, my wife bought me the DVD the Christmas before last.


Tally-ho

Dave

BM357_TinMan
02-13-2004, 11:04 AM
Just read the synopsis of the movie,

Tara's characters sounds like a *um....loose woman*. She has a husband in the navy, bangs one of the pilots after he is shot down, then decides to discard him for the shot down pilots buddy.

Story line doesn't sound too apealling to me, but maybe it's better than the description leads on.

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Pentallion
02-13-2004, 11:11 AM
Trust me Tinman, it is an excellent movie. One of the best.

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georgeo76
02-13-2004, 11:13 AM
I like DBW because it features foreign pilots (Czech in this case) who flew for the RAF. This little known side of the BoB and WWII in general is over-due for a little highlighting.

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ElfunkoI
02-13-2004, 11:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BM357_TinMan:
Just read the synopsis of the movie,

Tara's characters sounds like a *um....loose woman*. She has a husband in the navy, bangs one of the pilots after he is shot down, then decides to discard him for the shot down pilots buddy.

Story line doesn't sound too apealling to me, but maybe it's better than the description leads on.

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[This message was edited by BM357_TinMan on Fri February 13 2004 at 10:18 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most definately not the underlying plot. It's a story of friendship and how it is so powerful even when you think it isn't there anymore. It's about humanity....or if your not that bright its about a girl who bangs everyone (I'm sure that will get the idiots to rent it).

BM357_TinMan
02-13-2004, 11:21 AM
Oh, Believe me, I want to see it now because of the amount of praise that it has got from the posters on this thread. AND I will reserve judgement until I HAVE seen it.

I was just saying that the description I read made it sound kind of "ify"

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BM357_TinMan
02-13-2004, 11:25 AM
"about a girl who bangs everyone..." LMAO

Actually that wouldn't work as an appeal, becuase every body says that she doesn't show any skin....

ROFL

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ElfunkoI
02-13-2004, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BM357_TinMan:
"about a girl who bangs everyone..." LMAO

Actually that wouldn't work as an appeal, becuase every body says that she doesn't show any skin....

ROFL

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Ya, they are kinda odd caus I swear there's about 20 seconds of her titties. When did these guys see this movie??

crazyivan1970
02-13-2004, 11:27 AM
Excellent movie!

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sub109
02-13-2004, 11:40 AM
hell, it is almost a crime to mention pearl harbour in the same sentence as dark blue world, i can conclusively say that although film watching is a subjective affair pearl harbour is truely a croc of sh*t, in fact i came close to walking out cos i was actualy offended by its whole tone and i am not easily offended. As for DBW they made a moving and i think realistic film on a far smaller budget and they borrowed bits from bof b and re-filtered them to create a real sense of urgency in the dogfights, confusion, fear and simple blankness were conveyed really well and to me seemed to reflect some of the real airmans accounts that i have read about. It also brings home the point that Stalin was on a par with old Adolf when it comes to pure nastiness - he was a very nasty piece of work (weird how winning can change peoples perceptions of yet another war criminal who got away with it cos he just happened to be on the victors side)!

Capt_Haddock
02-13-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElfunkoI:
Ya, they are kinda odd caus I swear there's about 20 seconds of her titties. When did these guys see this movie??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed. I could swear she does get naked in the film. Censorship?

It's a brilliant film. Great story. And the cockpit shots show how accurate IL2 really is. The smoke trails of the guns are incredibly similar.

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buz13
02-13-2004, 12:13 PM
Excellent movie....It was a Czech pilot that was the highest scoring RAF pilot in the Battle of Britian.
Other greats on my list:
"Come and See"
"Stalangrad"
"The Winter War"
"Piece of Cake"

Friendly_flyer
02-13-2004, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it is almost a crime to mention pearl harbour in the same sentence as dark blue world<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are quite right. I am sorry. The bombing of the harbour itself is nicely done, though. As for the rest of the film, I recommend Tora, tora, tora.

Regarding nice, realistic parts of DBW, I was rather taken by the scene where the leading character tried to radio the base, only to find his radio cable cut by a bullet.

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LeadSpitter_
02-13-2004, 01:33 PM
yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that

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JV44Rall
02-13-2004, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sub109:
hell, it is almost a crime to mention pearl harbour in the same sentence as dark blue world<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol, my sentiments exactly - from the ridiculous to the sublime http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

One thing that impressed me in DBW was how the younger pilot, Karel, gets killed. No big battle, no chest-pounding. Just someone trying to do the right thing, an error in judgment and, splash, that's it.

I can't imagine a Hollywood movie portraying such an intimate, quiet and honorable death.

thegoose001
02-13-2004, 04:43 PM
it was a very good movie........better than most world war 2 flight movies i've seen...... ive heard about a hollywood movie sort of like dark blue world thats in the making now or sumthing.......anyone know anything obut it?

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Capt_Haddock
02-13-2004, 05:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PCPlod:
unfortunately she doesn't take many of her clothes off in this which is unusual for her.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just checked the DVD and she does indeed take her clothes off. They've censored the film you've seen...
A pointless thing to cut out, but is the fact that they actually cut it out that is quite disturbing.

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GINNER_SK
02-13-2004, 06:05 PM
this scene were they attack the train , this few seconds, costs 1 000 000$... thatsway may be were not more battle scenes. when were more, it will be totaly best movie about wwII fighters. anyway untill now - it is!!!

EPP-Gibbs
02-13-2004, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No there weren't.

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EPP-Gibbs
02-13-2004, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No there weren't.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Back onto topic.....DBW....excellent film, Thoroughly enjoyed it, and Czech made.

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Avi8or
02-13-2004, 07:02 PM
Great film, a must own, bought in on DVD last year. More I watch the more I feel sad about Franta and the piano man.

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tenmmike
02-13-2004, 07:56 PM
every time i see the dvd at the store i pick it ......read the back about it carry it around read the back again and put back it sounds BORING but all yall say good ill try it even though it still sounds boring http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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mllaneza
02-13-2004, 08:12 PM
It's not a trill-a-minute extravaganza, but it;s far from boring. Assuming you love flying.

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OberstWileyII
02-13-2004, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GINNER_SK:
this scene were they attack the train , this few seconds, costs 1 000 000$... thatsway may be were not more battle scenes. when were more, it will be totaly best movie about wwII fighters. anyway untill now - it is!!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know what you mean....

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OberstWileyII
02-13-2004, 08:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, Mate...but you are wrong on this one......

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zetareticulan
02-13-2004, 09:03 PM
Censorship is it?

I'm currently flying out of Sarawak, a nation that deems an onscreen kiss a dangerous affront, but one that has no qualms about putting the most lurid pictures of the latest murder or road kill on the front page of the morning rag.

Destraex
02-13-2004, 09:28 PM
I own Dark Blue world on DVD, it kinda sux that BOB is not out here is AUS yet though.

All this talk about DBW makes me want to watch it again, it can be a bit slow but is extremely good quality and definently not boring. A lot more flight scenes would have been good but the ones it has are simply awesome!!!

Especially the scene where they try to take down a German recce Bomber.

The only thing I don;t like about it is its about a pilot and not really about the BOB as such. what I mean is the focus is on the pilot in the BOB not on the BOB with the pilot.
This meas you do not get a feel for the hugeness of the conflict and it feels a little small worldish. That said it is what it is and goes a long way to giving us what we want in terms of A/C action. Its certainly not overdone like Pearl Harbour but does have that underlying love story which kinda sux.

I enjoyed Master & Commander because it had no love story at ALL, I think you see a chick for about 5 seconds in this flick. However Master & commander offcourse was modified to fit hollywood audiences from the original book and they made damn sure you got the picture - american ships are the best!! Newer better hulls than the Brits and French.

Anyway I digress,......

DBW is awesome and their is no hint of Hollywood tainting, however it does have a traditional storyline which you would expect to come from hollywood this does not overpower the film so as to make it just another tarty love flick made to please all i.e. something in it for man and woman rather than realism and an actually interesting storyline.

necrobaron
02-13-2004, 10:51 PM
I bought DBW last week and saw it for the first time. I wasn't quite expecting the love story, but it was still pretty good. There are little irritating quibbles in the movie such as using Buchon 109s and there's one scene where they describe a (Spanish-built)He-111 as a "Junkers". I was also disappointed that there weren't any Hurricanes. But this is all trivial stuff. Once I realized the movie was more about the characters,and not pure air-combat and historical accuracy,I liked it really well. As for Pearl Harbor, I can't seem to make myself hate the movie like apparently the rest of you do. It certainly has it's corny moments and the acting is downright bad,but the attack on PH itself always brings a tear to my eye.

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Scrollexx2348
02-13-2004, 11:26 PM
DITTOS TO ALL THE ACCOLADES ABOUT DBW. PEARL HARBOR WAS OK, BUT WHAT SUNK IT FOR ME WAS THE CASTING OF THE MOST LEFT WING ANTI-AMERICAN CRY BABY BUNCH OF HAS BEEN ACTORS. BEN AFLEK, NOT MY IDEA OF THE HERO TYPE. ALEC BALDWIN AS JIMMY DOOLITTLE, PLLLEEEZE!!!!!!WHERE'S JOHN WAYNE, ROBERT MITCHUM, LEE MARVIN, STEVE MCQUEEN, MICHAEL CAINE, ROBERT SHAW ETC.(YEAH YEAH I KNOW MOST OF THEM ARE DEAD, THAT'S NOT THE POINT). AS AN ASIDE, IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN AN EXCELLENT BOOK ABOUT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FIGHTER SQUADRON IN THE BOB, CHECK OUT "A QUESTION OF HONOR" BY LYNNE OLSON AND STANLEY CLOUD, ABOUT THE POLISH KOSCIUSKO SQUADRON.
APOLOGIES ABOUT THE CAPS.

Snyde-Dastardly
02-13-2004, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
[QUOTE]it is almost a crime to mention pearl harbour in the same sentence as dark blue world<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are quite right. I am sorry. The bombing of the harbour itself is nicely done, though. As for the rest of the film, I recommend Tora, tora, tora.

Well said Friendly Flyer! Also that in Tora,Tora,Tora! It was REAL aircraft flying so close to the deck. icredable! No computer CGI crap in that one! And as far as the Peril movie goes,,Im not to sure if the only 2 guys to get up in there P40s to take on the Zekes ended up flying 25s for Dolittle http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif
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badhat17
02-14-2004, 04:25 AM
You can download the trailer from here (if I get the link right) which includes a very brief tit shot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DeerHunterUK
02-14-2004, 06:53 AM
When I saw DBW at the cinema, it was only myself and my mate watching it.All the other schmoos were queuing up round the block for the Star Wars movie. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif
As to the film itself, we decided it was a great Spifire story only slightly put off by having the obligatory (something for the ladies) love story.The film has Spitfires, what more could it need? Plus, there's the added bonus of no Ben (how much did that woman cost me?) Affleck doing his dodgy late 80's rapper impersonations every time he shoots at any enemy aircraft. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Willi_Wombat
02-14-2004, 07:06 AM
There were fewer British pilots than foreign pilots and there is no evil conspiracy to hide that fact.

WW

OberstWileyII
02-14-2004, 10:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willi_Wombat:
There were fewer British pilots than foreign pilots and there is no evil conspiracy to hide that fact.

WW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why does that myth keep being repeated?

Battle of britain Pilot Statisitcs:

Nationality TotalPilots NumberKilled %Killed

Great Britain 2543 418 16%
Poland 147 30 20%
New Zealand 101 14 14%
Canadian 94 20 21%
Czechoslovakia 87 8 9%
Belgium 29 6 20%
South Africa 22 9 40%
Australia 22 9 40%
Free French 14 0 0%
Irish 10 0 0%
United States 7 1 14%
SouthernRhodesia 2 0 0%
Jamaica 1 0 0%
Palestine 1 0 0%

Total 3080 515 17%

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panther3485
02-14-2004, 10:37 AM
Hi guys!

The figures posted by OberstWileyII appear to be substantially correct (that is, my sources show figures identical or very close)...HOWEVER...

In relation to the first figure for Great Britain, digging a little deeper shows the following note:

(Quote) "United Kingdom, including Commonwealth pilots and aircrew serving in the Royal Air Force who cannot be identified separately."

This means that some of these pilots were from Commonwealth nations, that is, not native to the British Isles as such.

But having said that, and not wanting to muddy the waters, I believe it is reasonable to assert that the majority WERE native Britons (i.e. originating from England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland).

Based on all the evidence I have been able to find so far, I believe the assertion that the majority of the pilots were not British is incorrect, so I still fall on side with OberstWileyII, EPP-Gibbs and others. Sorry, LeadSpitter!

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OberstWileyII
02-14-2004, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther3485:
...In relation to the first figure for Great Britain, digging a little deeper shows the following note:

(Quote) "United Kingdom, including Commonwealth pilots and aircrew serving in the Royal Air Force who cannot be identified separately."

This means that some of these pilots were from Commonwealth nations, that is, not native to the British Isles as such.

...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, there may be SOME none-British Isles personnel in the "GreatBritain" figure, but it surely would be a Very small number, as the Major Commonwealth countries are already identified separately(NewZealand, Australia, Canada, etc...)

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DeerHunterUK
02-14-2004, 11:38 AM
Do you know something? I honestly don't care which pilots came from where or how many.Each and everyone of them played their part in defending this country.Makes them a hero in my book at least.

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compass1
02-14-2004, 11:42 AM
I saw this film in Newark,UK and after the show a smallgroup of BOB pilots got up on stage to answer questions and tell of their experiences.
As you say it was made from a lot of outtakes from the 1969 movie plus scenes with preserved Spits from the UK. Digitally enhanced and digital sound added. By the way if you can see it in surround sound it's even better,in fact I'd like to see the 69 film have DTS sound added - that would be something. But the overwhelming feeling you take from DBW is the shocking way pilots of all iron curtain countries were treated on their return.

Monty_Thrud
02-14-2004, 12:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willi_Wombat:
There were fewer British pilots than foreign pilots and there is no evil conspiracy to hide that fact.

WW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Leadspitter_:yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Kwiatos
02-14-2004, 12:54 PM
When WW2 ended Polish pilots who fought in BoB were quickly removed from Great Britain. They had 3 days for leaving Great Britain. In that way British thanked for their sacrifice. I don't know how other foregin pilots. But i suppose was the same.

necrobaron
02-14-2004, 12:55 PM
Why were the Poles forced to leave?

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OberstWileyII
02-14-2004, 01:08 PM
Additionally, there was a "Victory" parade in London after the war ended...troops from all allied nations were participants, EXCEPT the Poles(neither air nor ground units)..and I doubt if the Czechs were participants either. Apparently the British government did not want to offend the USSR and/or the new communist regimes in Poland and Czechosolvakia. I'd also guesss that the Poles(and Czech's?) were sent back to their homelands at the demand of USSR/Stalin, although I'm sure many returned home willingly to their families, perhaps not realizing how they were going to be treated by the new communist regimes.

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Kwiatos
02-14-2004, 01:15 PM
Hmm because war was ending, they were unneeded etc. When they came back to Poland they were persecuted by communist and they were acknowledged as spys - like czech pilots.

Friendly_flyer
02-14-2004, 02:11 PM
With the Norwegians flying with the RAF, it appears there was no reason for disgruntlement. There were five Norwegian squadrons flying with the RAF during the war, two with Spitfires (bout really flying after the BoB), the 331 and 332. The memoires I have read all say nice things about their hosts. The squadrons even got to keep the numbers when they where transfered to the RNAF after the war. They actually still have them, the two Spitfire squadrons used to fly F-16s when I was a kid.

The situation of East Block countries after the war was a very difficult one, as DBW clearly show. I would think that the treatment the British gave the pilots was out of a difficult political situation, not out of ungratefulness. After all, this was at a time when the senior American general was calling for a continuation of the offensive on the Western front into Russian held territory. As a nation on the brink of bankruptsy, bled almost dry of suitable young men, England only had so much room for political maoeuvres.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

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BM357_TinMan
02-14-2004, 02:41 PM
Yes, you are quite right,

There was a brief shot of skin in that trailer

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RichardI
02-14-2004, 03:28 PM
Hmmmm.....
Terrific aerial scenes but I found the movie, like the title - dark. Piece of Cake is terrific and so is Battle of Britain.

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Destraex
02-14-2004, 03:51 PM
Where is Norway in the figures? Obviously they did not fly in the BOB?

What is "Piece of Cake" is it another awesome BOB movie?

Scrollexx2348
02-15-2004, 02:41 AM
THE POLES WERE NOT PERMITTED TO MARCH IN THE VICTORY PARADE BECAUSE OF STALIN'S EXPLICIT REQUEST. POLAND AND EASTERN EUROPE WERE SACRIFICED TO THE SOVIETS BECAUSE OF POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS, WAR WEARINESS AND NAIEVE BELIEF IN STALIN'S PROMISES OF NON-INTERFERENCE IN THOSE AREAS. CHURCHILL HAD A CONSCIENCE APPARENTLY AND HAD VERY GUILTY FEELINGS ABOUT THE CHOICES HE HAD TO MAKE, ROOSEVELT ON THE OTHER HAND HAD NEITHER. BOTH OF THEIR DEALINGS WITH STALIN SHOWED EITHER A TOTAL LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY ACUMEN OR A CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION I THINK PATTON WAS RIGHT WHEN HE SUGGESTED THAT WE GO TO WAR AGAINST THE SOVIETS.
HOW'S THAT OLD TRANSMISSION COMMERCIAL GO," PAY ME NOW, OR PAY ME LATER..."
PIECE OF CAKE IS A BRITISH SERIES THAT FOLLOWS AN RAF SQUADRON FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR IN EUROPE THROUGH THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN. WELL MADE, GOOD FLYING SCENES, MOSTLY SPITS. WELL WORTH A VIEW.

Friendly_flyer
02-15-2004, 05:22 AM
Dino, may I suggest you turn of the Caps-lock? Al the capitals are a bit anoying.

The Norwegian squadrons did not fight in BoB. The pilots was under re-education in various training camps (most notably "Little Norway" in Canada) at the time. The first fighter squadron (331) was formed 21. July 1941 at Catterick and issued battle worn Hurricanes Mk. Ib's. They were intended to fight on the "Norwegian front" (that luckily never opend) and was transferred to Skaebrae, Orkney. In spring 1942, when it became obvious that no Norwegian campaign would get going anytime soon, they where transferred to group 11 at North Weald and issued Spitfire Mk. II's. They flew with (amongst other) the 222 Eagle squadron.

Fly friendly!

Petter Bøckman
Norway

steve5539
02-15-2004, 10:40 AM
Yeah, i too watched the film for the first time just the other night and enjoyed it very much. As stated by someone earlier i liked the fact that it didn't try to portray the actors as super gung-ho hero types but as typical people trying to do a dangerous job as best they could and still try to live for the day.

Also i knew of the bravery and sacrifice made by foriegn pilots flying for the RAF during WW11 but was unaware of the persecution these Czech pilots received on returning to their homelands after the war at the hands of Stalin.

What a nasty Bastid Stalin really was.

vroelofs
02-15-2004, 11:01 AM
Are there any Dutch folks out there who know how to get my hands on this film???
I really really like to have it,but somehow it's impossible to find overhere........so i downloaded it as it was my ONLY(yes only!) possibility to see it,but unfortunatly subtitles not included,and although English is no problem for me,my Czech is a bit rusty.....

compass1
02-15-2004, 11:37 AM
As usual the Brits are the bad guys. UK has hundreds of Polish and czech ex-servicemens clubs in every town and city in the country.Thousands of them stayed in the UK after hostilities ceased. 31 Polish airmen died in the Battle. Aircrew of 14 nations fought together mostly British and Commonwealth. If you only read one book about the Battle make sure it's the Battle of Britain Then and Now by 2After the Battle" publications. A MONUMENTAL PIECE OF RESEARCH,MOVING AND HUMBLING.

Taylortony
02-15-2004, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vroelofs:
Are there any Dutch folks out there who know how to get my hands on this film???
I really really like to have it,but somehow it's impossible to find overhere........so i downloaded it as it was my ONLY(yes only!) possibility to see it,but unfortunatly subtitles not included,and although English is no problem for me,my Czech is a bit rusty.....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got it off amazon or play.com ..... try both of them it is on DVD in English, German and Czech languages...........so you may well be able to hire it too on dvd

panther3485
02-16-2004, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OberstWileyII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther3485:
...In relation to the first figure for Great Britain, digging a little deeper shows the following note:

(Quote) "United Kingdom, including Commonwealth pilots and aircrew serving in the Royal Air Force who cannot be identified separately."

This means that some of these pilots were from Commonwealth nations, that is, not native to the British Isles as such.

...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, there may be SOME none-British Isles personnel in the "GreatBritain" figure, but it surely would be a Very small number, as the Major Commonwealth countries are already identified separately(NewZealand, Australia, Canada, etc...)

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panther3485
02-16-2004, 03:46 AM
Hi OberstWileyII,

Use the preceding post for the 'quote' and I forgot to add my piece so here it is:

The figure for aircrew from Commonwealth nations included in the British total is actually fairly substantial, but still not of such a magnitude that native British personnel would be outnumbered. Native Britons would still have constituted an overall majority, even when ALL figures are combined.

If you read my post, I actually come out on your side and confirm your findings. I merely wished to add an important and relevant detail to the discussion, that had hitherto been missing.

Those asserting that British aircrew were outnumberd by the other nationalities are still incorrect, as we BOTH agree! We can afford to be generous, because the margin of difference allows this!

When putting arguments forward, greater respect can be gained by giving FULL consideration and credit to the opposition. This works very well when you give them every reasonable concession but they are still wrong!

OK mate?

Keep on keeping on!

Best regards,
panther3485

Lt.Davis
02-16-2004, 05:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slitzenpucker:
Censorship is it?

I'm currently flying out of Sarawak, a nation that deems an onscreen kiss a dangerous affront, but one that has no qualms about putting the most lurid pictures of the latest murder or road kill on the front page of the morning rag.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya i agree, i can be the witness... it's my hometown.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Back to DBW...
I don't know how many time i have repeart the dogfight screen, it awesome...

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EPP-Gibbs
02-16-2004, 06:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willi_Wombat:
There were fewer British pilots than foreign pilots and there is no evil conspiracy to hide that fact.

WW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said before....no there weren't. You've only got to look at the roster and do some simple maths to realise that.

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OberstWileyII
02-16-2004, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi OberstWileyII,

...
When putting arguments forward, greater respect can be gained by giving FULL consideration and credit to the opposition. This works very well when you give them every reasonable concession but they are still wrong!

OK mate?...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand...you imply that I am Arguing in some fashion with you??? I don't see how you could possibly draw that conclusion from my last post...I thought we were merely exchanging comments about the statistics, nuances of the statistics actually...

However, I AM still unclear as to your source for saying that an apparently Significant number of "commonwealth" pilots are contained within the Number for the British Home Islands... Which other parts of the Commonwealth were sending pilots, outside of the nations already separately listed(Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa, etc..)

Again, this is just an attempt to clarify the statistics..


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02-16-2004, 11:26 AM
Sorry to disrupt the flow of things but Dark Blue World is on again tonight (Mon 16 Feb) in the UK on Sky Cinema2 channel at 9pm. Catch it if you can http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PCPlod
02-17-2004, 04:24 AM
Well i started this whloe thread and I am going to watch the film again tonight just cos its great.
As for Tara when I watched it yes she did have some of her kit off but you never realy got to see much due to the lighting positioning of the camera etc. So I am wondering if it has been edited for TV. Although Sky doesn't usually do this with its films.
Tara for now (excuse the pun)

Bull-Dog.
02-17-2004, 05:54 AM
Saw half of it last night. Hope its on again so I can see all of it.

Still trying http://mysite.freeserve.com/bull_dog/images/1-picture1.jpg?0.9261296277898643 Still dying

SeaFireLIV
02-17-2004, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Just checked the DVD and she does indeed take her clothes off. They've censored the film you've seen...
A pointless thing to cut out, but is the fact that they actually cut it out that is quite disturbing.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I`ll definitely have to see the film now- oh and for the BOB aircraft stuff!

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NorrisMcWhirter
02-17-2004, 06:13 AM
"less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that"

Who doesn't? I always knew the BoB was a team effort.

Of course, the British, Poles and French all had a hand in cracking the Enigma and not the story portrayed in U571. But "they" wouldn't want people to know that.

Norris

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
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panther3485
02-18-2004, 09:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OberstWileyII:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther3485:
Hi OberstWileyII,

...
When putting arguments forward, greater respect can be gained by giving FULL consideration and credit to the opposition. This works very well when you give them every reasonable concession but they are still wrong!

OK mate?...

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand...you imply that I am Arguing in some fashion with you??? I don't see how you could possibly draw that conclusion from my last post...I thought we were merely exchanging comments about the statistics, nuances of the statistics actually...

However, I AM still unclear as to your source for saying that an apparently Significant number of "commonwealth" pilots are contained within the Number for the British Home Islands... Which other parts of the Commonwealth were sending pilots, outside of the nations already separately listed(Canada, Australia, NZ, South Africa, etc..)

Again, this is just an attempt to clarify the statistics..


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Hi OberstWiley....

Er....No, I wasn't trying to imply that you were arguing with me as such - it's just that your post didn't mention the fact that you and I were AGREED on the overall conclusion, so I couldn't be completely sure if you'd picked up on that.

All I could see was that you'd responded to the bit about 'Non-British' personnel being included in the British total.

In my opinion, it was important to mention this fact and it wouldn't hurt our case in any way because the overall figure for British aircrew would STILL be greater than that for all other nationalities combined.

I have a large number of sources, mainly books, that have accumulated over the years on this subject. One of the best is 'The BATTLE of BRITAIN - The greatest battle in the history of air warfare' by Richard Townshend Bickers.

It is this book, among a few others, that refers to the numerical factors we've been discussing. It includes extensive tables and a full 'Roll of Honour' listing the aircrew of all nationalities who served under Fighter Command operational control July 10 - October 31 1940.

The Roll lists Name, Rank, Nationality, Squadron and whether the individual was killed. The nationalities shown here reflect those figures given in the official list that both of us have previously referred to.

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Since I'm Australian, I'll use another Commonwealth country as my example:

BAYLY, Sgt. J. N/Zealander. 111

This entry in the roll shows Sergeant J. Bayly of 111 Squadron as being a New Zealander, and he is included in the official Battle of Britain total of 103 for New Zealand.

GIBSON, F/Lt. J.A.A. British. 501

This entry shows Flight Lieutenant J.A.A. Gibson of 501 Squadron as being British, and he is included in the official total of 2,365 for the United Kingdom.

Trouble is, he WASN'T British!

His history reads thus:

"JOHN ALBERT AXEL GIBSON, a New Zealander, joined the RAF in 1938. In May 1940 he went to 501 Squadron in France, where he shot down a 109 and two He 111s. Between July and September he brought down three Ju87s, three 109s, a Do 17 and a Ju88. He was shot down no less than five times, and wounded on the final occasion."

So why was he counted as British? This is not an isolated example, there were significant numbers of personnel that came from Commonwealth countries, but were listed as British in the official total.

In relation to this figure for the British total, the exact wording that accompanies the list is:

"including Commonwealth pilots and aircrew serving in the Royal Air Force who cannot be identified separately"

They cannot all be identified separately, because without a very exhaustive and laborious search, full background details cannot be found for all of them and there are complications with some individuals (parentage, place of birth and other issues). It's just too much like hard work, so they remain in the figures tables as 'British'.

Other reasons were complex and varied, but included the fact that there were numerous different ways that pilots from Commonwealth nations could end up in the RAF and then find themselves serving in Fighter Command. The precise time and manner of their entry had a bearing on whether they were listed as being from their actual country of origin or simply listed as 'British'.

The separate listings for the various Commonwealth nations DO NOT SHOW ALL of the pilots from those countries. Some are counted as part of the BRITISH total.

As mentioned before, although the number of such pilots was substantial (not just a few exceptions), it was relatively small compared to the overall total and therefore does not change our final conclusion, which is that native British aircrew still outnumbered those from all other nations combined.

Hope this clears up the matter,

My apoligies for any previous misunderstanding,

Best regards,
panther3485

OberstWileyII
02-18-2004, 10:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by panther3485:
...Other reasons were complex and varied, but included the fact that there were numerous different ways that pilots from Commonwealth nations could end up in the RAF and then find themselves serving in Fighter Command. The precise time and manner of their entry had a bearing on whether they were listed as being from their actual country of origin or simply listed as 'British'.

The separate listings for the various Commonwealth nations DO NOT SHOW ALL of the pilots from those countries. Some are counted as part of the BRITISH total.

As mentioned before, although the number of such pilots was substantial (not just a few exceptions), it was relatively small compared to the overall total and therefore does not change our final conclusion, which is that native British aircrew still outnumbered those from all other nations combined.

...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent...that clarifies the statistics...

Thanks

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02-18-2004, 10:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Destraex:

What is "Piece of Cake" is it another awesome BOB movie?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Piece of Cake was a 6 part TV series about the BOB taken from the book by the same name. I give it 5 stars....the book is outstanding also. It is available on DVD.
Another outstanding WW2 movie that has been overlooked (also 5 stars) is "Come and See" also available on DVD. My other first choices for war movies are "Paths of Glory" and "Europa" and of course "Battle of Britian".

buz13
02-18-2004, 11:00 AM
For those who want to know more about the Polish participation in BOB I highly recommend the book "A Question of Honor".
For political reasons the British treated the Poles very poorly after the war....and as we all know Poland was not free for decades after WW2. A history professor of mine once said..."There are no nations in eternity...they always act in their own interests....expect it!"

Sabla
02-20-2004, 10:54 AM
Why not just buy it?
Free shipping, $22.06 US.
(Mine is on it's way)
http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=COL008275

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carguy_
02-20-2004, 11:49 AM
I saw a Spitfire blowing up and said wow,big budget if they blow SPits up.A proffesional production but nothing else.I thought I`ll see some nice action whereas it was one big love/friends for life story.

Alomst 2 hours waisted.

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ronin44
02-20-2004, 06:37 PM
I think the Hollywood movie that your thinking of is The Few. It stars Tom Cruise. I don't think it is being filmed yet.

Lt.Davis
02-20-2004, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ronin44:
I think the Hollywood movie that your thinking of is The Few. It stars Tom Cruise. I don't think it is being filmed yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No preview yet for the movie, can't wait.

BTW, it's OT:
Tom Cruise own a P-51 Mustang. And he got his own pilot liesen.

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Indianer.
02-21-2004, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
yeah more czechs pols and many other nations fought during the battle of britian. There was less british pilots then foreign pilots but they dont like to let people know that
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


lol...u really are a gimp. Apart from the fact that you can't spell, there were far more British pilots fighting on the RAF's side in BoB than of any other nation.

Remind me...who was that yank bloke who flew loads of combat patrols in the Bob, never getting a single kill and dying after losing control of his plane on landing lol...aren't they making a film around this legendary figure and his fine career, single-handedly winning the BoB.


A gratefully received contribution to the war effort...if only there were more like him...oh yeah, there were aparently. Thats probably why "we" dont like people to know that.


You americans really are stupid. Thats why you like to re-write history.

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necrobaron
02-21-2004, 02:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:

Remind me...who was that yank bloke who flew loads of combat patrols in the Bob, never getting a single kill and dying after losing control of his plane on landing lol...aren't they making a film around this legendary figure and his fine career, single-handedly winning the BoB.


A gratefully received contribution to the war effort...if only there were more like him...oh yeah, there were aparently. Thats probably why "we" dont like people to know that.


You americans really are stupid. Thats why you like to re-write history.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Who ever said the movie was going to be about his "glorious" achievements? All I've heard is that it was a story of a man who died for another country. Simple as that. I'll reserve judgment until I see the movie.....

"Not all who wander are lost."

Sabla
02-21-2004, 03:13 PM
Please remember that it it Hollywood that produces this crap. Not the American public.
Movie goers like a good story though, and if one is told well they will go to it, accurate or not. Just look at all of the historically inaccurate "historical" movies made by Hollywood. From "The Green Berets", "Patriot", "Pearl Harbor", "U571". All produced to SELL TICKETS and nothing more. They were all truely crap even though I still found each to be at least somewhat entertaining, though each makes me cring with the Super Hero abilities of the main characters.... pure garbage in that respect.
In fact I challenge any of you to even think of ONE movie that is historically accurate. I can think of none that really are. Not even "Zulu", "Gallipoli", "Lawrence or Arabia", or "The Bridge on the River Kwai". All substantially better than the formerly mentioned, but inaccurate as well.
If they were accurate, they would be boring...

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Platypus_1.JaVA
02-21-2004, 03:51 PM
There are some 'wrong' marks of spits for that time-set in the movie.

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KIMURA
02-21-2004, 04:30 PM
As Platypus already mentioned the Spits and the 109 were wrong. In the age of the computer reworked pics a correction on both types should be that problem.

IIRC the RAF had 5 SQN. with Czechs, whereas NON of them was equipped with Spitfires during BoB an NON of them had the fuselage code "AI".

Czech Sqn. in BoB

310. Sqn.; Code NN; Hurricanes
311. Sqn.; Code PP and KX; Welligtons
312. Sqn.; Code DU, Hurricanes
313. Sqn.; Code RY, not known to me
314. Sqn.; Code and flwon type not known to me.

necrobaron
02-21-2004, 04:34 PM
I was somewhat suprised that there wasn't a single Hurri in the film. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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KIMURA
02-21-2004, 04:41 PM
Yup, I apsoluted missed Hurries. And I'm not sure, but to me flying the Spit at BoB was a thing like to belong to a jockey club, compared to the Hurri guys. So it seems not logic to me that Czechs, just leaving their country could join the exclusive club as shown in DBW. (no offense here to Czechs)

necrobaron
02-21-2004, 04:51 PM
I don't want to make any Spit fans upset,but I'd always heard the Hurri was the real work-horse behind the BoB. The Spit seems to always get the credit and praise,though. The Hurri became sort of the underdog it seems.

"Not all who wander are lost."

KIMURA
02-21-2004, 05:21 PM
Yes the Hurri did it and the Spit earned the glory.

Of the 2475 kills which were claimed during BoB, 1392kills were claimed by Hurries.

During the 1st 18month of war the Luftwaffe lost more own a/c to the Hurricane than to any other Allied fighter.http://www.schildersmilies.de/schilder/teatime.gif

carguy_
02-21-2004, 06:04 PM
Maybe because of the fact that Hurricanes used to attack bomber formations whereas Spits took care of the fighters.

IMO if the LW fighters escorts could not have been taken down,Hurries would have had a very tough if not impossible job to do.

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OberstWileyII
02-22-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
...
You americans really are stupid. Thats why you like to re-write history.
...
[This message was edited by Indianer. on Sat February 21 2004 at 08:02 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

... If this ubi forum had one ... moderator, they'ed clamp down on little ... like you that constantly have to show your anti-american hate ...
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OberstWileyII
02-22-2004, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
...Remind me...who was that yank bloke who flew loads of combat patrols in the Bob, never getting a single kill and dying after losing control of his plane on landing lol...

A gratefully received contribution to the war effort...if only there were more like him...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And, moreover.... .you think that the DEATH of ANY pilot flying on the behalf of Britain, OR a pilot flying in the Luftwaffe for that matter, in the Battle of Britain is something to LAUGH about???!!!!

Your "LOL", as we all know, is 'Laughing Out Loud' on the internet. Right..real funny that the American died in a landing accident, if that was the case...


The overwhelming percentage of FB community RESPECT the history of WWII aviation and it combatants, on ALL sides!!!!

You DON'T deserve to be in this community... ...

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a moderator would have been helpful.....meanwhile, perhaps all the rest of us will remember in other threads, over time, your Hilarious Joke and "LOL" laughing about the Death of a WWII airman!!!!


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[This message was edited by OberstWileyII on Sun February 22 2004 at 03:05 PM.]

SeaFireLIV
02-22-2004, 05:50 AM
OberstWileyII,

We are all not like Indianer. Speaking as a Brit we like to make our little jokes and ribbings, but Indianer`s comment was uncalled for. There`s no need to insult a nation, whoever they be American, German or French! All I can do as a Brit is apologise on his behalf.

On the other hand there have been some quite insulting American chaps I`ve come across who are not afraid to insult the whole of the world, Skychimp, LeadSpitter`s comment doesn`t help, and even Gibbage1 (who`s doing the Spitfire, think) got my goat by panning the British for no reason one night , and they don`t apologise for it. Of course this doesn`t represent all Americans.

SeaFireLIV...

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[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Sun February 22 2004 at 04:58 AM.]

rbstr44
02-22-2004, 06:22 AM
I was looking forward to seeing "DBW" until someone mentioned "Pearl Harbor". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Hopefully, the love story part of DBW isn't quite as overdone. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

DeerHunterUK
02-22-2004, 07:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Maybe because of the fact that Hurricanes used to attack bomber formations whereas Spits took care of the fighters.
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I'm sure the 270+ 109 pilots shotdown by Hurricanes would argue your point.

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