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SeaFireLIV
04-06-2004, 12:11 PM
I always wanted to take out a jerry bomber with an I16 by colliding with it when out of ammo, just like in the real thing. Today I saw a chance. I`d taken down one bomber and was out of ammo and a little shot up. I saw one lone bomber heading for home...


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/highangle1.jpg

I came at him from an angle where his gunner couldn`t hit me...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/closer2.jpg
It took some work to match speed and try and keep position. A bit of bobbing up and down there...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/tap3.jpg
Just as I got my wing slightly under his I flipped up the I16 left wing and made contact! His wing came off!

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/bail4.jpg
And so did mine! But I did it! Took down a bomber with an I16 and survived. What other flight sim allows such closeness of historical events?! Amazing stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-06-2004, 12:11 PM
I always wanted to take out a jerry bomber with an I16 by colliding with it when out of ammo, just like in the real thing. Today I saw a chance. I`d taken down one bomber and was out of ammo and a little shot up. I saw one lone bomber heading for home...


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/highangle1.jpg

I came at him from an angle where his gunner couldn`t hit me...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/closer2.jpg
It took some work to match speed and try and keep position. A bit of bobbing up and down there...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/tap3.jpg
Just as I got my wing slightly under his I flipped up the I16 left wing and made contact! His wing came off!

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/bail4.jpg
And so did mine! But I did it! Took down a bomber with an I16 and survived. What other flight sim allows such closeness of historical events?! Amazing stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

BuzzardHead
04-06-2004, 12:24 PM
Ramming was an accepted tactic employed by I-16 pilots in th VVS.Their method was to ram the tail unit of the offending aircraft.

You can run but...You'll only die out of breath.

Capt._Tenneal
04-06-2004, 12:30 PM
Nice screenies, SeaFire. And congrats on your taran. Now, methinks, you're ready to try out the mission against the V-1. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tovarish_06
04-06-2004, 12:40 PM
I do it often when attacking a bomber formation if my aircraft is totally shot up and won't make it to base anyway. just try to hit their wing with mine like you did. A few times I've managed to do it without any apparent damage to myself, but that was more luck than anything (scraping the underside of the enemy with my tail fin) - The first time I did it it was purely accidental, and I've learned not to try to do it....more often than not I aim too high http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Agamemnon22
04-06-2004, 12:42 PM
Nicely done!

Now for a bonus, try ramming such that you survive to fly, or at least glide home. Say like using your prop to chop off bits of the enemy.

SeaFireLIV
04-06-2004, 12:48 PM
I WAS gonna try that, but didn`t want to be killed by the gunner (this is an actual Campaign at Moscow, not QMB). Also, I suspect that FB doesn`t modelled propeller destruction of a bomber`s tail plane in a way to allow the pilot to live. Or does it? Has anyone tried that?
But I will try it at some point....

Thnx for he comments. I just had to post when the wing thing worked! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV...

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kamaradskii
04-06-2004, 12:58 PM
eeh?
I-16 pilots took bombers out by colliding with them during the war? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Did these pilots survive or were these suicide missions?

p1ngu666
04-06-2004, 02:19 PM
some lived
they would eat/shred the bombers tail if i remmber with prop
your likely to explode instantly in fb doing that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Rebel_Yell_21
04-06-2004, 03:11 PM
Nice of the ai to make it easy on you, instead of, oh, I don't know, trying to evade?
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Fennec_P
04-06-2004, 03:39 PM
It is possible to do it, and glide home.

Just hit the vertical stabilizier with the very bottom of your propellor. It will knock the stabilizer off and make the AI bail out, and you will get off with a intact plane, albeit with busted engine.

In fact, sometimes I do it and the engine still runs. In FW-190 I managed to knock the stabs off of 6 Pe-8s, and still land safely. I don't know how well it would work in AEP though, with new damage model.

SeaFireLIV
04-06-2004, 03:55 PM
That`s really good, Fennec. If it works in previous versions, I`m sure it would in AEP. I`d love to chop off part of a bomber with my prop! I`ll give that a try next time.

As for the bomber not evading me, I dunno why. They did at the start of the attack, but some of them don`t. I think it comes down to individual AI skill. I was expecting him to suddenly manouever all the time, but he didn`t, luckily. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I like to think of them as saying, "What`s the Ivan doing? Surely he`s not going to- AAGHHH!"

kamaradskii
04-06-2004, 07:21 PM
You mean, you have all the time to approach a bomber and chop his tails off without its gunners shooting at you?

RedStar_cfso002
04-06-2004, 07:44 PM
I ever use La5's landing gear hit a He111's wing.he lost his wing and fall, I then fly home and EL in airfield.

CHN_RedStar

HangerQueen
04-06-2004, 07:53 PM
I remember going head-to-head with an Emil in my I16 type 24 in Il2 Original. We both fired, missed, and then I dove under him. As I was turning around, to my surprise I got the enemy destroyed message. When I replayed the track, I discovered that I'd chopped off his wing with my tail, without suffering any apparent damage myself. Those I16s are tough.

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SeaFireLIV
04-06-2004, 08:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kamaradskii:
You mean, you have all the time to approach a bomber and chop his tails off without its gunners shooting at you?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I feel I have to give lessons in how to approach enemy bombers!
1. See that bomber, it can only shoot from certain angles. In the picture`s above the Gunner simply CANNOT traverse his gun enough to hit me, I know this and he knows it. Come at it from high (or low) and to the side it can`t touch you. Also, this was after a long dogfight while the escourt fighters tangled with Lagg3s and our group had Rockets to deal with the bombers.

2. The bombers had split up after some had been downed, or damaged and as often happens you get a solo bomber, who I tried to shoot down, but had no more ammo. He actually did fire a few shots at me as I came to him. Also, remember AEP bomber gunners are not deadly accurate anymore.

3. As far as I knew all the enemy fighters were gone and I really wanted to get this last bomber, so I thought, "Why not! Maybe this`ll work. I can try and see how good my control is now".

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/came_low.jpg
I came in slightly below him to avoid any gun fire...


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/camehigh.jpg
Then bobbed up higher. Notice how through all this I`m always at an agle AWAY from his guns cone of fire....

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/yellows.jpg

Here is an overall view. There are a couple of enemy bombers and one friendly fighter behind. And more up front, which this bomber was trying to rejoin. Notice the avoidance angle.


Also I saved this part of the whole thing, so I can even provide proof. Using the track you`ll also see that there were numerous other aircraft and other straggler bombers ahead... Also, note these are JU88A-4 NOT HE111s.

There ya go! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p.s. you do have time to approach right from behind it`s only wise to do it if rear gunners out of action.

AdEridanus
04-06-2004, 11:16 PM
Hey... I like those icons in the last picture! Do you get those by typing johnmadden=1 in your config file? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ELEM
04-07-2004, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kamaradskii:
eeh?
I-16 pilots took bombers out by colliding with them during the war? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Did these pilots survive or were these suicide missions?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it was called a Taran attack. It wasn't planned to be suicidal, many pilot survived multiple Tarans.

Here's the story of one:-
http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/luganski/luganski.htm

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