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Cosmonaut.
04-15-2004, 04:03 AM
Hi All,

I usually fly the P-47 but I got AEP a couple of days ago basically for the chance to fly the P-38.... what can I say I like the War Birds that fly like cr@p lol Anyway I noticed that when leading my shots off I have to aim so far in front that I loose sight of the fighter I'm trying to shoot. This surprised me seeing as the guns are in the nose of the P38 and I assumed I could lead my shots with more of the enemy aircraft in my view rather than less compared to a fighter with wing mounted guns.

I have noticed that the P51, P47 and the P39 seem to have the sights set pretty much the same but the P38 requires extensive readjustment when targeting. Now my question is, should it be like this? I understand that it's impossible to say whether it's realistic or not because a RL pilot's eye view is well above the panel compared to a virtual pilot, that is looking out at about chest high but my theory is the guns are on top of the nose so surely you should have a better view when shooting ahead of a target.... shouldn't you? Is there a way to adjust the site somewhere in the game settings, there probably isn't but I thought I'd ask just incase.

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Cosmonaut.
04-15-2004, 04:03 AM
Hi All,

I usually fly the P-47 but I got AEP a couple of days ago basically for the chance to fly the P-38.... what can I say I like the War Birds that fly like cr@p lol Anyway I noticed that when leading my shots off I have to aim so far in front that I loose sight of the fighter I'm trying to shoot. This surprised me seeing as the guns are in the nose of the P38 and I assumed I could lead my shots with more of the enemy aircraft in my view rather than less compared to a fighter with wing mounted guns.

I have noticed that the P51, P47 and the P39 seem to have the sights set pretty much the same but the P38 requires extensive readjustment when targeting. Now my question is, should it be like this? I understand that it's impossible to say whether it's realistic or not because a RL pilot's eye view is well above the panel compared to a virtual pilot, that is looking out at about chest high but my theory is the guns are on top of the nose so surely you should have a better view when shooting ahead of a target.... shouldn't you? Is there a way to adjust the site somewhere in the game settings, there probably isn't but I thought I'd ask just incase.

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PBNA-Boosher
04-15-2004, 05:17 AM
Set the convergence lower. I usually keep it around 215-230

MatuDa
04-15-2004, 06:04 AM
you can make up for that by setting your convergence very far, like 700meters or so. That way the guns will be pointed higher up and at 200-300m the aiming point is high on the recticle instead of in middle. That way it is a bit easier to lead.

I don't comprehend why having guns in nose would help deflection shooting any?? The gun is only 1m closer to the target than a wingmounted one is so in 150m shooting range the difference is under 1%.. If you mean the pilot should be able to look from a higher viewpoint to make deflectionshots: the pilot is strapped down very thoroughly. Another point that makes it impossible is when you pull G it is not that easy to lean forward to see better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
04-15-2004, 08:24 AM
u dont have a long nose tho, so your low forward view should be better

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WUAF_Co_Hero
04-16-2004, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cosmonaut.:
... lol Anyway I noticed that when leading my shots off I have to aim so far in front that I loose sight of the fighter I'm trying to shoot. This surprised me seeing as the guns are in the nose of the P38 and I assumed I could lead my shots with more of the enemy aircraft in my view rather than less compared to a fighter with wing mounted guns.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
As others have said (other than the setting of extremely high convergence) nose mounted as opposed to wing mounted guns will have nothing to do with how far you have to lead. It's all muzzle velocity, relative speeds of the a/c, and AoA.

As for the losing sight of the enemy when you lead: This is called "Blind deflecting" and happens all the time. As stated previously, this is largely dependant on AoA, if you're cutting into a 90 degree deflection: chances are, you're not going to see the enemy when you fire, but will be shooting based on the path they were taking.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I have noticed that the P51, P47 and the P39 seem to have the sights set pretty much the same but the P38 requires extensive readjustment when targeting. Now my question is, should it be like this? I understand that it's impossible to say whether it's realistic or not because a RL pilot's eye view is well above the panel compared to a virtual pilot, that is looking out at about chest high but my theory is the guns are on top of the nose so surely you should have a better view when shooting ahead of a target.... shouldn't you? Is there a way to adjust the site somewhere in the game settings, there probably isn't but I thought I'd ask just incase.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not sure what leads you to believe this, but the only thing that will effect your view when you're leading a target, is the design of the cockpit, and the forward view. The 38 actually has a very good Forward FOW.

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GR142_Astro
04-16-2004, 03:20 AM
Set 20mm cannon to 1000m.

Got that tip from Cyrano, and it works like a champ. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

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Tully__
04-16-2004, 06:24 AM
One of the better German pilots, Joachim Marseille, is often quoted as saying "I shoot when the target disappears beneath the nose of my (Bf109).."

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1.JaVA_Razer
04-16-2004, 06:41 AM
Astro,you serius about that?
it actually works? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

How? I men Nose mounted guns don't need convergence do they?
isn't convergence where the guns' bullets "come together"
and seing as the cannon(and every other gun on P38) is in the nose(center) you don't need defelction i'd think?

GR142_Astro
04-16-2004, 09:42 AM
Yes it works, and yest you are correct.

Convergence is not the most accurate term for a single firing 20mm. That's just how the FB game engine refers to it. I believe it simply adjusts the weapon's elevation in its mount.

I've noticed this in the P39's 37mm as well, because there are certain ranges in which I score decent hit percentages with. Have a go and see what it does for you.

Cosmonaut.
04-16-2004, 10:20 AM
Ahh sorry my mistake, I didn't mean to say that you have to shoot further ahead to hit the target when leading your shots off in a P38. I was really only talking about my view of the target when I lead my shots off. My assumption is based on the fact that a p51/47 pilot sits above the guns where as the guns on a P38 seem to be at waist/chest high, kind of like resting a rifle across the nose of the aircraft. This I assume would result in the pilot having a slightly better view of the target when leading his shots off compared to having the guns mounted lower on the wings.

At closer ranges in a P51/47 I can deflect the shots with out loosing sight of the enemy fighter but in the same situation, while flying the P38, I find I have to blindly deflect the shots to hit the target. Now I am no expert on the P38 and I am not complaining or nit picking, I know there are a lot of factors I have not taken into consideration when comparing these different types of fighters I was just interested to know if anyone had suggestion that would improve my view when blindly deflecting my shots while flying Lighting.... to bad you cant raise your seat to look over the nose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WUAF_Co_Hero
04-16-2004, 04:48 PM
If you have yet to figure out blind deflections to a degree: You should do this. If you notice that you are being pulled into a blind deflection, but you aren't turning too teribly hard: roll 90 deg, so that the enemy is either coming from the left or right, and let them deflect right through your sights. This is one of the only ways to do it in a FW-190, so if you've flown that, or know ppl who fly it a lot, I'm sure they'll tell you that's the case.

The 1000m trick is very effective for deflection shots, the only problem I have, is hitting dead6. w/ 1000m, it seems to go much higher than the .50's, and I miss w/ the cannon a lot. Recently, I set my converg. on both back to 400m, and it has gotten me much more luck in dead 6, and any deflection shots closer than .7km out.

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