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Sky Eagle
04-25-2004, 01:31 AM
hi all.
is IL2:fotgotten battles a good game ?
and what about the gfx ?
what u guys think is the best game Lock-On or IL2: forgotten battles


THx

Sky Eagle
04-25-2004, 01:31 AM
hi all.
is IL2:fotgotten battles a good game ?
and what about the gfx ?
what u guys think is the best game Lock-On or IL2: forgotten battles


THx

F19_Olli72
04-25-2004, 01:51 AM
1: Yes its the best WW2 flightsim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

2: From adequate to really good depending on what your computer can handle.

3: Kinda hard to compare with Lock-on since its a jet sim and i never played it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But im more into WW2 planes so id say IL-2 FB

Lastly IL-2 FB prices are low now ($14.99 on amazon for example), or if you want IL-2 FB Gold pack wich includes ACE expansion has really good value for the money too.

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Dolemite-
04-25-2004, 02:24 AM
I own both IL2-FB and Lomac, and IMHO FB is MUCH better than lomac.

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Slammin_
04-25-2004, 02:34 AM
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Why do people insist on comparing IL-2 to LOMAC? LOMAC=brand new - IL-2=Not Brand NEW. LOMAC=Modern Air Combat - IL-2=60 years ago!

C'mon! No matter how you ask this, it still reeks of spam. IL-2 came out how many years ago? LOMAC came out like 5 months ago.

Why/How can you even ask if IL-2 is a good game after visiting here? Can't you feel the love?

Go away!

Sky Eagle
04-25-2004, 02:37 AM
oh my god.
srry slammin.
but i wanna buy 1 of those.
and i can't make a choice.
so i ask if u guys think its good

LeadSpitter_
04-25-2004, 02:43 AM
Its Best looking wwii flight sim made to date.

The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out.

Also unlike any flightsim thats been out in the past, the creator oleg maddox and team pay close attention to prevent cheating online which is very rare with gaming complanies these days. You wont find that anywhere else.

Pick up IL2Forgotten Battles Gold which includes il2FB and the extra addon AEP (aces expansion pack) which brings you to version 2.0. "Hopefully patched soon" If you dont like them your always free to return them.

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arcadeace
04-25-2004, 03:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Belgium_Ranger:
oh my god.
srry slammin.
but i wanna buy 1 of those.
and i can't make a choice.
so i ask if u guys think its good<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They both require a strong PC. If you have a good one and you can afford it buy both. If its too much I say go for FB, in this forum most are gonna be partial.

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Tully__
04-25-2004, 03:26 AM
If you're looking for a prop plane sim, look no further. Until the next 1C:Maddox sim, this is it. If you prefer jets, go LOMAC (or maybe StrikeFighters if you prefer early jets, but it was buggy by all accounts).

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Jazz-Man
04-25-2004, 03:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Its Best looking wwii flight sim made to date.

The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out.

Also unlike any flightsim thats been out in the past, the creator oleg maddox and team pay close attention to prevent cheating online which is very rare with gaming complanies these days. You wont find that anywhere else.

Pick up IL2Forgotten Battles Gold which includes il2FB and the extra addon AEP (aces expansion pack) which brings you to version 2.0. "Hopefully patched soon" If you dont like them your always free to return them.

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Yellonet
04-25-2004, 03:27 AM
IL-2 is the best game of the two, and LOMAC the best simulation.


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269GA-Veltro
04-25-2004, 03:47 AM
FB is not a "game" but the best WW2 sim ever! Buy it! FB and AEP.

Lock-On is good, IL2 FB-AEP is superb, waiting for Pacific and new Maddox sim generation: BoB, MED ecc. ecc..

Yes, Lock-On and FB are different, but FB is much much better, for sure.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-25-2004, 04:43 AM
IL2/FB is the best for me.

Get the FB and very large...um...Aces Expansion Pack addon CD (embarassing name though lol), or the FB Gold which has both together I think.

Soon new Patch with new planes (probably June http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif ) and some fixes.

Later more Patches with more later war Italian planes (right now we have two (2) early war Italian planes). Here, take a look at what the FB modders are making...

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Also the FP ("Pacific Fighters") sim which is direct offspring of this sim coming late this year (should be playable together with this sim FB). Go here...

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Sky Eagle
04-25-2004, 05:14 AM
euhm.
yes i have a stonrg comp.

Slick750
04-25-2004, 07:14 AM
I'd buy IL2 Gold...you just can't be dissapointed with that.

Cossack_UA
04-25-2004, 07:40 AM
LOMAC is a generation ahead of IL2:FB in terms of graphics. Just look at cockpit reflections. Water drops and scratches on the canopy, reflections of the pilot's helmet in turned off displays and tons and tons of other small things that give you complete filling of being in a real cockpit.

BaldieJr
04-25-2004, 09:54 AM
Get FB if you are new to flight sims. FB is a little more game-like, so you'll have more fun with it. LOMAC is a simulator and most people aren't interested in the boring aspects of being a combat pilot.

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crazyivan1970
04-25-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Get FB if you are new to flight sims. FB is a little more game-like, so you'll have more fun with it. LOMAC is a simulator and most people aren't interested in the boring aspects of being a combat pilot.

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BuzzU
04-25-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Its Best looking wwii flight sim made to date.

The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out.

Also unlike any flightsim thats been out in the past, the creator oleg maddox and team pay close attention to prevent cheating online which is very rare with gaming complanies these days. You wont find that anywhere else.

Pick up IL2Forgotten Battles Gold which includes il2FB and the extra addon AEP (aces expansion pack) which brings you to version 2.0. "Hopefully patched soon" If you dont like them your always free to return them.

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noshens
04-25-2004, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
I hope you're not a salesman in real life, because you suck at it.

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I agree lol

JG7_Rall
04-25-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
Its Best looking wwii flight sim made to date.

The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out.

Also unlike any flightsim thats been out in the past, the creator oleg maddox and team pay close attention to prevent cheating online which is very rare with gaming complanies these days. You wont find that anywhere else.

Pick up IL2Forgotten Battles Gold which includes il2FB and the extra addon AEP (aces expansion pack) which brings you to version 2.0. "Hopefully patched soon" If you dont like them your always free to return them.

http://img14.photobucket.com/albums/v43/leadspitter/newsig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I hope you're not a salesman in real life, because you suck at it.

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Any particular reason why every single f*cking thing you post on these boards is always degrading someone else? Do you suffer from constant PMS or is there something protruding upwards from your computer chair?

Maybe leadspitters post isn't the best way of comparing LOMAC and FB/AEP, but essentialy it is true. AEP, as much as we love to call it a sim, isn't compared to LOMAC. The fact that one is a prop game and the other is a jet game doesn't matter-AEP is sim-like, but LOMAC truly is a sim which people just dismiss because it's too hard for them to learn.

Back to the original post-if you are unfamiliar with flight sims and like WWII, get FB/AEP because the learning curve isn't nearly as steep and its a ton of fun. The flight modelling for the most part is accurate. If you like jets and don't mind spending hours learning just one planes RADAR systems, then get LOMAC.

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BuzzU
04-25-2004, 11:09 AM
Rall,

Is this how you would describe FB?

"The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out."


I don't agree with it, and if I was looking to buy FB and read that. I wouldn't buy it. Spitter knows me pretty well, and i'm sure he took no offence. I don't sugar coat things Rall. You should know that by now.

btw..Look at Jazz Mans post. We both said the same thing. I was just more direct.

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Chuck_Older
04-25-2004, 11:13 AM
I'm not sure Leadspitter needs anyone to fight his battles for him if one needs to be fought.

I don't think Leadspitter is right about his assesment, however.

Saying the flight models are sketchy is untrue. Facts have been used, after all, and sketchy by definition implies a lot of guesswork. A lot of effort has gone into the FM. It's much easier to detect an error in the modelling and say "the FM is bad" than to actually make a good flight model.

Leadspitter is exaggerating to the point of being less than impartial in his assesment, don't you think? Sure the flight model isn't perfect. Name me something that is perfect, and that everyone agrees is perfect, and then I will back up everyone's claims that the FM in FB is a joke. Until then I will continue to say it's the best prop sim FM sold.

As for the original question, this forum is not the place you can expect any replies like, "No it sucks. We spend our time here because we hate Il*2:Forgotten Battles". It stands to reason that in this forum you are going to get a positive reaction, Ranger. Try a place like SimHQ for a more impartial crowd. Even Leadspitter likes FB. Otherwise he wouldn't want it to be better http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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JG7_Rall
04-25-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BuzzU:
Rall,

Is this how you would describe FB?

"The flightmodels are very sketchy and the sound is not great at all but visually nothing compairs, besides the graphics glitches, unrealistic physics and poor online play issues 2.0 brought its still the best flight sim out."


I don't agree with it, and if I was looking to buy FB and read that. I wouldn't buy it. Spitter knows me pretty well, and i'm sure he took no offence. I don't sugar coat things Rall. You should know that by now.

btw..Look at Jazz Mans post. We both said the same thing. I was just more direct.

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Firstly, I'm sorry about my comments before. I should learn to wait before I post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Secondly, all I was saying is that you simply shouldn't just degrade his opinion like that because you don't agree with it. For those who are wondering, I don't agree with it completely but I do agree with some things he's saying. The main point of my post was to state that LOMAC is a much more in-depth sim while FB/AEP is a sim indeed but with a less steep learning curve. Maybe the fact that prop planes are indeed more simple machines than the jets we fly today has a lot to do with that. If I thought FB wasn't a good game or wasn't a true simulation (despite some shortcomings) I wouldn't play it hours a week since its release. Fact is that none of us flew these planes in combat or in real life. That means the FM is really left up to interperetation by those who research the plane on paper and then put it into the game. Some may disagree with certain aspects of that modelling because their sources say different things. I think FB/AEP does an excellent job with flight models. But, nothing is perfect, especially in the computer gaming world.

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04-25-2004, 06:14 PM
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Dolemite-
04-25-2004, 06:35 PM
You can always compare 2 video games, even flight sims.

Just because one game is about prop planes and another is about jets doesnt make it illegal to compare the 2.

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Bearcat99
04-25-2004, 06:57 PM
Ignore the folks who want to compare FB to LOMAC first of all. They are apples and oranges. Not comparable. The very nature of modern aircraft dictate that this be so. Having said that, FB is definitely worth the money. It will be the best software investment you ever make. Unfortunately I must warn you..... this game will be a challenge and it will make you want to make it run better so be prepared to make the word UPGRADE a more comman word in your vocabulary. The FMs are not perfect, but there are no better ones in any WW2 sim currently on the market. Or on the horizon save BoB by 1C. The damage models are top notch.. no hit bubbles, collision bubbles or hokey arcade like FMs... unless you want them. The gaphics are top notch. I went to work tonigfht and installed FB on a 3200 64 box with a nice Zerox 16ms 700:1 CR LCD monitor and a Medion P-4... AWESOME!!! Buy the sim and find out for your self.

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Sky Eagle
04-28-2004, 07:22 AM
haha.
hi guys.
i orded lock-on.
in my gamesshop.

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif Bahahaha! Look! ^^^ you all failed!

michapma
04-28-2004, 08:41 AM
The only way to have failed is if he bought neither sim. The flight sim market just grew.

As far as LOMAC vs. FB, he doesn't even know whether he likes prop planes or sims more. I just hope he doesn't have too much trouble getting it to run. I'd have bought LOMAC already if it weren't so expensive, because props are my main interest and I'm not sure I'd want to spend the time tweaking LOMAC to get my money's worth out of it.

Oh, btw, I used to always want to call IL-2 and FB a sim. The more I learned about real aircraft and real combat, the more I realized that FB strives to find a balance as a realistic game more than a sim. It's the only practical approach, really. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Curly_109
04-28-2004, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Belgium_Ranger:
hi all.
is IL2:fotgotten battles a good game ?
and what about the gfx ?
what u guys think is the best game Lock-On or IL2: forgotten battles


THx<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

FB: it's the best game overall (in all genres) in THIS moment (concerning all things one game could have---level of detail, graphics, physics, playability etc), or forgive me if i exaggerate my statement but i haven't seen anything better than this... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LOCK_ON: only if u espeially love jets othervise get yourself FB or ACES

Curly_109
04-28-2004, 09:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michapma:
The only way to have failed is if he bought neither sim. The flight sim market just grew.

As far as LOMAC vs. FB, he doesn't even know whether he likes prop planes or sims more. I just hope he doesn't have too much trouble getting it to run. I'd have bought LOMAC already if it weren't so expensive, because props are my main interest and I'm not sure I'd want to spend the time tweaking LOMAC to get my money's worth out of it.

Oh, btw, I used to always want to call IL-2 and FB a sim. The more I learned about real aircraft and real combat, the more I realized that FB strives to find a balance as a realistic game more than a sim. It's the only practical approach, really. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
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i absolutely agree with u, i went the same way of learning http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-28-2004, 09:44 AM
I can never understand this logic of people who come on a site of fans of a flight sim and ask, "Is it any good?" I`ve seen this on the MTW site sometimes, "Is Medieval Total War any good?"

What answer do you expect? It wil always be a biased yes. People who don`t like IL2 (or any other game for that matter) will usually make one comment and leave for good. You do get some strange ones who seem to hate FB and give that impression constantly, yet are always there in the forum, Stiglr is one example, they can`t really dislike it can they?

If you want a non biased objective view, check google and look up reviews with NO afiliation to the sim/game you`re interested in. That`s what I do. I NEVER go to the producer`s site of the game in question if I want a true feel for a sim/game.

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04-28-2004, 12:37 PM
all your bases are belong to us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

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Sky Eagle
04-28-2004, 12:44 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif i do with my money i want.
and i can play lock-on real good.
are u insalting me ???
( my english sucks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )

maybe i buy later il2 fb

but still thx to all posters

99th Obsidian
04-28-2004, 01:44 PM
Belgium,

I own both but play FB AEP 95% of the time. The GFX in LOMAC are awesome. My favorite effect is the real time shadows cast by the plane and munitions upon itself. Really makes the model photorealistic. That said, I can't enjoy most of GFX because my average PC can't handle the load. However, my rig runs FB AEP with GFX almost maxed out. Gameplay in LOMAC is a little sterile unless you are online. There is more mission immersion in FB partly because you are reliving history instead of making it up as in LOMAC. I've enjoyed being part of a historically based squad in FB. I find it harder to actually fly the props in FB than the jets in LOMAC. The skills learned flying in FB have made me a better Jet pilot. Jets are more forgiving due to their high trust-to-weight ratios. They tend to stall less even if you are ham fisted. The avionics in jets are tricky and difficult to master. Prop engagements are all within visual range so there are fewer if any avionics (other than the K-14 sight in the P-51) Engine management is better modeled in FB.

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JoachimvMayern
04-28-2004, 01:51 PM
You have to ask yourself what do you like better. Prop planes or modern jet aircraft. I like both, with a small lean towards prop aircraft. Something about getting up close to a target and destroying it with MG's then firing a missile from 20 miles away. It's all up to you. Now only if il2 would have full cloud cover. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mirtma
04-29-2004, 01:08 AM
If LockOn is sim that doesn't mean that FB isn't. It simulate WW2 planes. If you want to learn everything, from engine management, prop. pitch, fuel mix ect. it will take your time. Just like studying radars in LockOn. And if you compare Lock On with Falcon 4, then I'll say LockOn is a bit arcadish... IMHO

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04-29-2004, 01:10 AM
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Fear british army. (http://216.144.230.195/Videos/Medium_WMP8/British_Attack.wmv)



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"Big Bills suck, small Bills don't"&lt;----WRONG!!!! all Bills suck http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Sky Eagle
04-29-2004, 12:10 PM
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martial01
04-29-2004, 12:19 PM
This thread can't be real. It's gotta be a fishing post. Please, no more its really good best you buy it posts. Geeeeeeeeeeeez!

Martial1