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_Bootlegger_
07-25-2004, 03:06 PM
My nominees are:

1) "They Died With Their Boots On"
Because apparently some screen writer once thought that it was standard operating proceedure for the United States Calvary to take their boots OFF before going into battle!

2) "Run Silent, Run Deep"
Because the submarine runs "silent" for less that one and a half minutes in the movie and at no time in the film does the sub ever go below 150 feet deep.
Thus it barely ran silent and never ran deep. Just another example of Hollwood buying the rights to a book so that they can get a cool title. But then they make a movie with a story line that has almost nothing to do with the book.

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_Bootlegger_
07-25-2004, 03:06 PM
My nominees are:

1) "They Died With Their Boots On"
Because apparently some screen writer once thought that it was standard operating proceedure for the United States Calvary to take their boots OFF before going into battle!

2) "Run Silent, Run Deep"
Because the submarine runs "silent" for less that one and a half minutes in the movie and at no time in the film does the sub ever go below 150 feet deep.
Thus it barely ran silent and never ran deep. Just another example of Hollwood buying the rights to a book so that they can get a cool title. But then they make a movie with a story line that has almost nothing to do with the book.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-25-2004, 03:27 PM
The Big Red One http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

My fave infantry movie, next to Kelly's Heroes, slow paced like a surrealist Canadian LEXX soap opera.

A positive review I like http://www.filethirteen.com/reviews/big_red_one/big_red_one.htm

NegativeGee
07-25-2004, 03:29 PM
Now this is uncanny- I read the thread title and "They died with their boots on" instantly sprang to mind.

So thats two votes for that one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Chuck_Older
07-26-2004, 07:23 AM
Run Silent run deep isn't all that dumb...so what if they only actually did it for a short period of time in the movie? The US sub service is also called 'the Silent Service', and run silent run deep is in the vein of naval parlance. Makes sense.

So does the Big Red One. That's the nickname of the 1st Infantry.


Stupidest name for a war movie ever:
Von Ryan's Express

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bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 07:28 AM
Bambi. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Oh bug*er, wrong forum.

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Covino
07-26-2004, 07:40 AM
The Naked and the Dead: Uhh... a porno flick with a zombie theme?

Breeze147
07-26-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
The Big Red One http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

My fave infantry movie, next to Kelly's Heroes, slow paced like a surrealist Canadian LEXX soap opera.

A positive review I like http://www.filethirteen.com/reviews/big_red_one/big_red_one.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Big Red One was idiotic and a disgrace. Possibly the worst war movie ever made. Possibly in the top ten of worst movies ever, any genre. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

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bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 07:55 AM
Saving Ryan's privates.

I'll get me coat.

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JorBR
07-26-2004, 08:10 AM
"Souls in flames" the name they gave to "Twelve O‚¬īclock High" here. Stupid http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif .

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-26-2004, 08:13 AM
Das Boot?

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PraetorHonoris
07-26-2004, 08:20 AM
What is the problem with "Das Boot"? It is a simple name, but there is lots of emotions in it. At least here, in Germany.

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VOL_Hans
07-26-2004, 08:22 AM
How is "Das Boot" A dumb name for a war movie about U-Boats?
If it was about planes or tanks, then yhea...

English Translation: "The Boat"

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-26-2004, 08:23 AM
Certainly no disrespect intended. I liked the movie as well. I don't know what it means.

Enlighten me, please.

(edit: ahhh...thanks. Now I can't chuckle when I say it though as it makes perfect sense http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif )

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tfu_iain1
07-26-2004, 08:54 AM
Ah, Das Boot. Theyve released the original mini-series on DVD now, so you can now see the extra 1h40m of footage (full Das Boot is 4hrs40mins!!!)

this includes the reinstatement of the scene where Johann, the phantom of the engine room, comes up to the conning tower to gob over the side. comic gold.

GH_Klingstroem
07-26-2004, 09:06 AM
"Shaving Ryan's private" according to me!

bazzaah2
07-26-2004, 09:38 AM
I knew it was something like that, lol. I never watch stuff like that y'know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
07-26-2004, 11:52 AM
Breeze147:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The Big Red One was idiotic and a disgrace. Possibly the worst war movie ever made. Possibly in the top ten of worst movies ever, any genre. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd like to hear more. Big Red gets generally Bad reviews at Amazon, very bad. I thought it fascinating how they cover many little scenes and not all pop Hollywood combat. Low budget and some Cheese perhaps, but in watching USA Hollywood I have learned to live with watching Cheese. Still my second fave infantry movie, what am I missing? Thanks.

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Breeze147
07-26-2004, 12:25 PM
It's cheesy and low budget. The acting is horrible. Lee Marvin picking up a paycheck. The movie was obviously made so the participants could get some union time in. Just awful cinema. Remember the old Saturday Night Live? Dan Ackroyd as movie critic Leonard Pith Garnell? He would have loved to diss this one.

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LEXX_Luthor
07-26-2004, 12:32 PM
Okay, by "disgrace" I thought you meant the movie dissed WW2 vets in some manner, but I know some Korean WAR infantry combat vets who love Big Red. Just...Never Mind. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
07-26-2004, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
_It's cheesy and low budget_....Agreed, like Dr. WHO. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Capt._Tenneal
07-26-2004, 12:37 PM
Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence

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DuxCorvan
07-26-2004, 12:52 PM
"Full metal jacket". Looks like a Schwarzenegger vs Seagal macho thriller with muscle bullies carrying a heavy gun in each hand.

And the Spanish translation of title -obviously made by someone who had no idea of bullets or ballistics- was even worst: "La chaqueta met√°lica" ("The metallic coat") (???) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Chuck_Older
07-26-2004, 04:55 PM
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.

It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

I snuck in to see FMJ. I saw VietNam vets leave the theatre- not because they were offended, but because it was too much for them to take, particularly the Parris Island scenes- too realistic. Gunney Hartmann was played by R. Lee Ermey, the guy from MailCall- a real VietNam era DI.

I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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07-26-2004, 05:20 PM
Genital Patton.

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roybaty
07-26-2004, 05:32 PM
Hmmm, I never really think of FMJ as a definitive war movie, more of a political statement than a real story about soldiers.

As for worst name, "Dark Blue World", I thought it was an okay movie, but never understood the name. Mayby something lost in translation from Czech to English? I guess it's referring to the color of the sky, but it isn't what I call dark blue until you get up high.

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altstiff
07-26-2004, 05:39 PM
The Well Hungarians.

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John_Stag
07-26-2004, 06:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roybaty:
Hmmm, I never really think of FMJ as a definitive war movie, more of a political statement than a real story about soldiers.

As for worst name, "Dark Blue World", I thought it was an okay movie, but never understood the name. Mayby something lost in translation from Czech to English? I guess it's referring to the color of the sky, but it isn't what I call dark blue until you get up high.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The name came from a song that was played in the film.

Probably isn't a war film, but the title "The Unbearable Lightness Of Being" always made me want to smack the director in the face for being a pretentious ****.

No, never seen the film; didn't need to.

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Zeus-cat
07-26-2004, 07:40 PM
I have to jump on Von Ryan's Express. It looked like Hogan's Heroes on a train.

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Bluedog72
07-26-2004, 07:53 PM
Memphis Belle


A movie about Southern Hospitality and pretty women who call everybody 'Darlin'?

Cool story, but a pretty nondescript title eh?

Just goes to show you really cant judge a book by it's cover....or a movie by it's title as it were.

[This message was edited by Bluedog72 on Tue July 27 2004 at 04:30 AM.]

MarkGos
07-26-2004, 10:26 PM
Memphis Belle?

Are you kidding me? It's the name of the B17 that the crew flew. The aircraft was what brought them together and kept bringing them home. In some ways it was more important to the crew than their own family etc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I'd much rather a non-descript, obscure title such as Mephis Belle to 'A story of a B17 crew that was the first to complete their tour of duty'. The marketing departments have got to be a bit creative - how else can they justify all those lovely coloured crayons they have. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

papote10
07-26-2004, 10:34 PM
ww2 movie: murphy's war (stupid name,damn good movie.

vietnam war: charlie mopic (another dumb name but this one is in my top 3 vietnam movies)

Capt.LoneRanger
07-27-2004, 12:48 AM
Das Boot? The name is as perfect as Memphis Belle, IMHO

But what about "EnemyAtTheGates"?

Though Stalingrad was seen as gate to Moscow, the name sounds somewhat odd.

"WeWereHeroes" is not the best title, IMHO. Though I have the greates respect for those who fought there, I doubt anybody would say something like the title says.

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[]_---_[] KITT
07-27-2004, 03:08 AM
IMHO the dumbest war movie title ever is
Saving Private Ryan.

The reason is I think they meant
Saving Ryan's Private

See how dumb those hollywood producers really are.

Just my two cents

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AirBot
07-27-2004, 03:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
"WeWereHeroes" is not the best title, IMHO. Though I have the greates respect for those who fought there, I doubt anybody would say something like the title says.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that's because the movie was called "We Were Soldiers," which kinda makes sense.

Capt.LoneRanger
07-27-2004, 03:39 AM
Correct, "We Were Soldiers" was the original title, but the movie was named "We Were Heroes" here - and that change makes no sense IMHO.

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bazzaah2
07-27-2004, 03:57 AM
IMHO the dumbest war movie title ever is
Saving Private Ryan.

The reason is I think they meant
Saving Ryan's Private

See how dumb those hollywood producers really are.

Just my two cents

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trail_of_dead
07-27-2004, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
But what about "EnemyAtTheGates"?

Though Stalingrad was seen as gate to Moscow, the name sounds somewhat odd.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

enemy at the gates is taken from a russian army news letter of sorts for the army in stalingrad at the time, stating that 'the enemy at the gates' has to be stopped etc. erm trying to find the actual quote for it so stay tuned lol

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Monson74
07-27-2004, 04:14 AM
"Delta Force" starring Chuck Norris was an overall stupid concept from title to content.

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Capt.LoneRanger
07-27-2004, 05:18 AM
trail_of_dead, I think we remember the same thing.

I don't remember the exact statement, though.


However, this war in Stalingrad had little to do with the movie, especially the statement as it was made at the end of the Stalingrad-battle, AFAIK.

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Bluedog72
07-27-2004, 05:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MarkGos:
Memphis Belle?

Are you kidding me? It's the name of the B17 that the crew flew. The aircraft was what brought them together and kept bringing them home. In some ways it was more important to the crew than their own family etc. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Umm,, well....yeah, I was kind of kidding.
I know all that, you know all that, anyone reading this board probably knows what the "Memphis Belle" was, and how the title reflects the story.

Would someone looking through a list of movie titles for a flick about bomber crews recognise it for what it was if they werent an aircraft nut?
I doubt it.

Miss-Kitten
07-27-2004, 05:40 AM
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

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Breeze147
07-27-2004, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

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The Deer Hunter was awful. One of the few movies I ever walked out of, and I had plenty of company. It made those of us who actually fought in Vietnam look like a pack of idiots and totally misportrayed the state of Pennsylvania, where I was born and lived for 39 years. A hateful movie. I despise it. Sorry, Miss Kitten, nothing personal, but that movie completely pisses me off!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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Breeze147
07-27-2004, 06:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.

It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

I snuck in to see FMJ. I saw VietNam vets leave the theatre- not because they were offended, but because it was too much for them to take, particularly the Parris Island scenes- too realistic. Gunney Hartmann was played by R. Lee Ermey, the guy from MailCall- a real VietNam era DI.

I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Those guys that couldn't take the Parris Island scenes must have been first class pussies. Although FMJ had a few decent scenes, it was completely unreal in almost every aspect. The city of Hue looked nothing at all like that. Completely overdramatized and Hollywoodized. The Parris Island scenes were about the only interesting part of the movie.

On a personal note, there's something about you Chuck_Older. I'm still chafing about how you dissed my Brewster Buffalo thread. I don't like your tone.

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DuxCorvan
07-27-2004, 06:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.
(...)
It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment
(...)
I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chuck, you've missed the aim of the thread. They're asking for the most stupid title. NOT the most stupid film. I liked the movie.

And, yes I KNOW what a full metal jacket is. It's the guy who translated the title to Spanish who didn't. The muscle guys I'm talking about is what I think the title suggests. Of course, they're not in the film.

The most stupid war movie I've ever seen is Chuck Norris' "MIA" series, and 'Rambo III'. Ugh!

Miss-Kitten
07-27-2004, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

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The Deer Hunter was awful. One of the few movies I ever walked out of, and I had plenty of company. It made those of us who actually fought in Vietnam look like a pack of idiots and totally misportrayed the state of Pennsylvania, where I was born and lived for 39 years. A hateful movie. I despise it. Sorry, Miss Kitten, nothing personal, but that movie completely pisses me off!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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I'm not in the least offended. As for the movie, I never take movies as if they were accurately portraying history. As of today it remains the most confusing movie to me, ever. It won't change as I probably won't bother watching it again. Unlike movies like Platoon, FMJ and last one I saw: We were soldiers.

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Chuck_Older
07-27-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.

It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

I snuck in to see FMJ. I saw VietNam vets leave the theatre- not because they were offended, but because it was too much for them to take, particularly the Parris Island scenes- too realistic. Gunney Hartmann was played by R. Lee Ermey, the guy from MailCall- a real VietNam era DI.

I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Those guys that couldn't take the Parris Island scenes must have been first class pussies. Although FMJ had a few decent scenes, it was completely unreal in almost every aspect. The city of Hue looked nothing at all like that. Completely overdramatized and Hollywoodized. The Parris Island scenes were about the only interesting part of the movie.

On a personal note, there's something about you Chuck_Older. I'm still chafing about how you dissed my Brewster Buffalo thread. I don't like your tone.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You'll have to refresh my memory on the Buffalo thing. What did I say about what you said, and what did you say? I don't remember the discussion.

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Chuck_Older
07-27-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.
(...)
It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment
(...)
I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chuck, you've missed the aim of the thread. They're asking for the most stupid title. NOT the most stupid film. I liked the movie.

And, yes I KNOW what a full metal jacket is. It's the guy who translated the title to Spanish who didn't. The muscle guys I'm talking about is what I think the title suggests. Of course, they're not in the film.

The most stupid war movie I've ever seen is Chuck Norris' "MIA" series, and 'Rambo III'. Ugh!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, I misunderstood you. Yes the title does seem like a bad video game when you put it that way.

Rambo III was funny though.

"What's that?"
"Blue light"
"What's it do?"
"Turns blue."

Insightful dialogue. I could feel JJ Rambo's inner torment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif They took a perfectly good character and made him two dimensional.

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Inadaze
07-27-2004, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Although FMJ had a few decent scenes, it was completely unreal in almost every aspect. The city of Hue looked nothing at all like that. Completely overdramatized and Hollywoodized. The Parris Island scenes were about the only interesting part of the movie.

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It wouldn't really look like Hue, because it was shot in the Isle of Dogs in the UK. I think the entire movie was shot in the UK because Kubrick didn't like traveling.

Just a little movie trivia...

S! Inadaze

Capt._Tenneal
07-27-2004, 08:11 AM
It could be classified as a "war film", but another dumb title was Attack of the Clones . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Breeze147
07-27-2004, 08:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
But Full Metal Jacket makes sense as a name.

It describes a bullet's jacket- not a garment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

I snuck in to see FMJ. I saw VietNam vets leave the theatre- not because they were offended, but because it was too much for them to take, particularly the Parris Island scenes- too realistic. Gunney Hartmann was played by R. Lee Ermey, the guy from MailCall- a real VietNam era DI.

I assume you are referring to Animal Muther, Dux. HE was a little over the top, but I don't recall seeing bulging muscle men take on the entire North Vietnamese army...we talking about the same film?! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Those guys that couldn't take the Parris Island scenes must have been first class pussies. Although FMJ had a few decent scenes, it was completely unreal in almost every aspect. The city of Hue looked nothing at all like that. Completely overdramatized and Hollywoodized. The Parris Island scenes were about the only interesting part of the movie.

On a personal note, there's something about you Chuck_Older. I'm still chafing about how you dissed my Brewster Buffalo thread. I don't like your tone.

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You'll have to refresh my memory on the Buffalo thing. What did I say about what you said, and what did you say? I don't remember the discussion.

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you can dislike me if that's what you feel you need to do. I'm not trying to win a popularity contest here, but I'm also not into just ripping people apart. You do what you gotta do, Breeze, I don't take anything here personally.

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I wrote a story about how I used to work at a US Navy base that during WWII was the Brewster Aircraft Company where the Buffaloes were built and how I used to watch a bunch of old timers that the Navy had given hangar space to who were rebuilding an original Buffalo. You came back with a reply about why would I bother, or something. It sort dropped me down a notch. I know you don't care what people think of you but you don't have to be a smartass ALL of the time, either.

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Chuck_Older
07-27-2004, 10:17 AM
I don't recall that at all Breeze. I certainly would never offhandly say "why bother" to someone like that. I have been in love with aviation since I was a boy and actually studied aeronautics at University. I love old machines, particularly cars and airplanes.

Are you certain that it was me who said that? I have nothing but respect for those who had anything to do with the war effort. I think it's great that people work on these old aircraft and get them to fly or be static displays.

Is it possible I'm being taken out of context here or that you have remembered this incorrectly? I cannot find any such thread in a search on the forums, I'd love to read (or re-read, I guess) that thread.

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DuxCorvan
07-27-2004, 11:47 AM
Maybe I shouldn't enter in this little fray, but I've been reading Chuck's posts since a lot of time ago, and have never seen anything like a harsh answer or disrespectful attitude, even less if unprovoked.

It seems to me like another misunderstanding or something. Sometimes people with a loose, easy mood, can say something irreflexive and unintended and annoy an oversensitive person who takes it as an offence. This has happened to me lotta times: it's not always easy to say when we are serious or just playing. Maybe a joke without 'smileys'? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Anyway, I can't imagine Chuck being despective about news on an old plane reconstruction. He's too fond of them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Breeze147
07-27-2004, 12:11 PM
Okay, I took it the wrong way, then. Let's shake hands and forget it. (You won't find the thread because at the time I asked Tully to delete it). Lets move on then, Chuck. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Chuck_Older
07-27-2004, 12:20 PM
That's fine with me. We're hijacking the thread anyway.

If I did say that about your efforts before, by the way, I was out of line.

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Slickun
07-27-2004, 03:53 PM
"31 Charlie Mopic" is simply the military designation of the job of being a movie cameraman in the US Army.

It's the mos code for the job. 31 Charlie is the overall, mopic designates it as a cameraman.

Kinda neat when you think about it.

The movie itself supposedly shows a lurrp mission filmed by a 31 Charlie in Viet-Nam. Very authentic as far as clothing and equipment. Not as much with the guys' actions. They made way WAY too much noise, and were way too bunched up.

Other than that, a veritable gem, fellas. If you get a chance, pick it up.

Abbuzze
07-27-2004, 04:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by roybaty:

As for worst name, "Dark Blue World", I thought it was an okay movie, but never understood the name. Mayby something lost in translation from Czech to English? I guess it's referring to the color of the sky, but it isn't what I call dark blue until you get up high.
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I think the english titel is ok, I don‚¬īt know the Czech one ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hmm I‚¬īm not a native english speaker, so correct me if I‚¬īm wrong.
Dark blue world don‚¬īt mean that the world is painted blue http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
"blue" also means "sad" Just think about the "Blues"- not realy funny music!
Also do you know the "The Who" song or the remake by Limp Bisket - Behind blue eyes.
They are not singing about the blue eyes of a girl, but of sad eyes.

So - Dark blue world - means - Dark sad world
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LEXX_Luthor
07-27-2004, 04:37 PM
The thread gets Buffaloed into a Brewster thread.

Any Brewster Thread is a Good Thread. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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ASM 1
07-27-2004, 05:07 PM
Night of the Fox.....

George Peppard (post A-Team) trying to do his Nazi bit.... and assasinate "Rommel" at the same time, cr@p name, cr@p movie but the book is pretty good! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ElektroFredrik
07-27-2004, 05:09 PM
"Tora! Tora! Tora!" may not be the dumbest title ever,
but it's quite silly if you don't know the
background of it. My .02 euro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Same thing goes for "Watership Down". You need
to have read the book before watching the movie.

"Hot shots! part deux" is the other way around.
Very silly movie, but good title http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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altstiff
07-27-2004, 10:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

Sl√°inte!, :FI:Kitty
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The Deer Hunter was awful. One of the few movies I ever walked out of, and I had plenty of company. It made those of us who actually fought in Vietnam look like a pack of idiots and totally misportrayed the state of Pennsylvania, where I was born and lived for 39 years. A hateful movie. I despise it. Sorry, Miss Kitten, nothing personal, but that movie completely pisses me off!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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Agree, heard all these great things about it and I thought it stank big time.

For the record I never thought anyhting less of Nam vets or people from Penn after seeing it.

I did like the part where Deniro got even with the **** who slapped him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Pentallion
07-27-2004, 10:51 PM
"They Died With Their Boots On" was an old saying that made sense at the time it was coined. They didn't die wasting away in bed of dysentery or smallpox or scarlet fever or a hundred other things that killed soldiers all the time back in those days. They didn't die old and decrepit.
They died like soldiers. They died in battle. They died standing up. Hence, they died with their boots on.

And a bunch of old farts with gold fob watches standing around some smoking room out east would thump their chests and say it was a glorious way to die.

Ok, yeah, stupid title. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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wayno7777
07-27-2004, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
It could be classified as a "war film", but another dumb title was _Attack of the Clones_ . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
And the title of the last flick will be The Revenge of the Sith.

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wayno7777
07-27-2004, 11:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

Sl√°inte!, :FI:Kitty
http://www.fighting-irish.org/&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.fighting-irish.org/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>) I actually kind of liked The Deer Hunter, Breeze. I live here in Pa, I'll tell you those scenes in the mountains sure didn't look like Pa mountains to me. I think I liked it better than Apocalyspe Now. Now that was weird. You are right, though Miss-Kitten, it was confusing.

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Breeze147
07-28-2004, 06:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by wayno7777:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

Sl√°inte!, :FI:Kitty
http://www.fighting-irish.org/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I actually kind of liked The Deer Hunter, Breeze. I live here in Pa, I'll tell you those scenes in the mountains sure didn't look like Pa mountains to me. I think I liked it better than Apocalyspe Now. Now that was weird. You are right, though Miss-Kitten, it was confusing.

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It would have been so easy to find any spot along Rt. 6 to shoot a few backdrop scenes. Stupid. A stupid movie. And then they turn around and give it all sorts of honors. Just totally makes my blood boil.

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Capt._Tenneal
07-28-2004, 07:53 AM
Anybody remember that mercenary-themed movie The Wild Geese, with Richards Burton & Harris ? Roger Moore also. I loved that movie back in junior high, but now the title seems silly. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lkemling
07-28-2004, 09:03 AM
They died with their boots on referrs to the fact they died in action opposed to dying of old age in bed where of course you would have your shoes/boots off.

johann_thor
07-28-2004, 09:18 AM
not that i am trying to piss you off but how would you like the US soldiers in vietnam to be displayed ??? a glorious force of freedom - liberating that poor "country" south-vietnam ? we have had too many of those stupid films already. hopefully we will not see any more of them - ever. its like watching a cowboy-indian film where the vietnamese are the indians.

a bunch of crying noob-soldiers (no offense - but drafted tour-of-duty soldiers could never have fought such a determined enemy) waiting to get home fighting an enemy in an unknown jungle that had been holding their own more or less since 1945 against the french who refused to return their colonies and ran the worst foreign policy of any country. what do you expect ?

they were there for no good cause and they knew it - must have been tough. hats off too their personal bravery at times but they really just should have burned their draftcards instead of listening to their stupid fathers. that would have been 5 times as brave. it was the 60's for crying out loud !!

lets rahter make more movies about the horrors of vietnam - not stupid glorified pornflicks like "we were soldiers"

this post is 100% political - not personal

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

Sl√°inte!, :FI:Kitty
http://www.fighting-irish.org/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Deer Hunter was awful. One of the few movies I ever walked out of, and I had plenty of company. It made those of us who actually fought in Vietnam look like a pack of idiots and totally misportrayed the state of Pennsylvania, where I was born and lived for 39 years. A hateful movie. I despise it. Sorry, Miss Kitten, nothing personal, but that movie completely pisses me off!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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Kaesebrot.
07-28-2004, 09:43 AM
"We were Soldiers" .......
I love watching Gibson standing tall in enemy crossfire, yelling around stupidely, while not being close to get hit. Of course, everyone else around him can be killed.

That was such a laugh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VF-17_Jolly
07-28-2004, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trigger666:
"We were Soldiers" .......
I love watching Gibson standing tall in enemy crossfire, yelling around stupidely, while not being close to get hit. Of course, everyone else around him can be killed.

That was such a laugh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is based on a true story told by the people who were there and apparently this is how the guy commanded his men and he is still around to talk about it

Lt Gen Harold G. Moore (USA-Ret)

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Hal Moore retired from the Army as a 3 Star General in 1977 with over 32 years active service. Commissioned a 2nd Lt of Infantry in 1945, he served and commanded at all levels from Platoon through Division. Highlights of his career include:

Service in the Korean War as a Company Commander and Regimental S3 (7th Div)
Service in Vietnam as a Battalion and Brigade Commander (1st Cav)
Commanding General of the 7th Inf Div in Korea
Commander of Ft Ord, CA
Service as the Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel, Department of the Army
After his retirement from active duty in 1977, Hal became the Executive Vice President of the Crested Butte Ski Area in Crested Butte, CO. During the '80s and early '90s, he researched and wrote a book, We Were Soldiers Once...and Young with his co-author, Joe Galloway then of US News and World Report. The book covers the first major battle of the Vietnam War, the Ia Drang Battle (LZ Xray), in which both men participated. Hal was the Battalion Commander on the ground and Joe was a UPI correspondent. The book is recognized as a classic on the Vietnam War and spent over 17 weeks on the New York Times Bestseller List.

Most Generals have a laundry list of awards and decorations a mile long. The awards most important to Moore are:

Appointment to the Honorary Grade of Rifle Platoon Sergeant by the Sergeants-Major of the 3rd Brigade, 1st CAV in Vietnam
2 awards of the Combat Infantryman's Badge
Distinguished Service Cross
Master Paratrooper


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Chuck_Older
07-28-2004, 10:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by johann_thor:


lets rahter make more movies about the horrors of vietnam - not stupid glorified pornflicks like "we were soldiers"

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If you pay attention to the story and plot of Apocalypse Now rather than all the explosions and crazy behavior, it is a movie about a man becoming what he is ordered to destroy, knowing it, and being unable to stop it. Sounds kinda horrific to me, because if you become what you hate, you become a Monster.

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SFViper19D
07-28-2004, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Trigger666:
"We were Soldiers" .......
I love watching Gibson standing tall in enemy crossfire, yelling around stupidely, while not being close to get hit. Of course, everyone else around him can be killed.

That was such a laugh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Joe Galloway still makes circuits of some of the army posts around the country signing book and speaking with people. On occasion he is sometimes joined by others including Gen. Moore. I had the priveledge of meeting Mr. Galloway once and it was very nice.
Maybe Trigger is just ignorant of what combat is like but I'm wondering what the vets would think of his poorly thought out comment...

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Breeze147
07-28-2004, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by johann_thor:
not that i am trying to piss you off but how would you like the US soldiers in vietnam to be displayed ??? a glorious force of freedom - liberating that poor "country" south-vietnam ? we have had too many of those stupid films already. hopefully we will not see any more of them - ever. its like watching a cowboy-indian film where the vietnamese are the indians.

a bunch of crying noob-soldiers (no offense - but drafted tour-of-duty soldiers could never have fought such a determined enemy) waiting to get home fighting an enemy in an unknown jungle that had been holding their own more or less since 1945 against the french who refused to return their colonies and ran the worst foreign policy of any country. what do you expect ?

they were there for no good cause and they knew it - must have been tough. hats off too their personal bravery at times but they really just should have burned their draftcards instead of listening to their stupid fathers. that would have been 5 times as brave. it was the 60's for crying out loud !!

lets rahter make more movies about the horrors of vietnam - not stupid glorified pornflicks like "we were soldiers"

this post is 100% political - not personal

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miss-Kitten:
Movie titles don't always have to make sense tho. The movie the deer hunter doesn't really prepare you for what you are about to see. Not the dumbest title tho, just confusing.

Sl√°inte!, :FI:Kitty
http://www.fighting-irish.org/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Deer Hunter was awful. One of the few movies I ever walked out of, and I had plenty of company. It made those of us who actually fought in Vietnam look like a pack of idiots and totally misportrayed the state of Pennsylvania, where I was born and lived for 39 years. A hateful movie. I despise it. Sorry, Miss Kitten, nothing personal, but that movie completely pisses me off!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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You make some good points. Some draftees weren't going to risk anything. But, I think the general consensus was: We're here and the only way out of here is to stick together and pay attention. I think Platoon got it pretty good with the characterizations, although the climactic battle scene was a bit extreme and the two sergeants running around the jungle trying to kill each other was idiotic. I can tell you from personal experience that from the minute I arrived until the minute I left, my main goal was to get the hell out of there. I think every GI there was quite aware of the futility of the whole mess. I never had a draft card since I enlisted right out of high school, but if I had one I would never have burned it and I never would have respected anyone who did, the same way I don't respect guys who got married and had kids to avoid the draft. There were also plenty of guys in Nam who demanded to be left off of patrols because they were married. I had no respect for them either. I can never remember thinking that we would lose, if only the politicians would allow us to fight the war the proper way. That never happened. Anyone who is a Nam vet knows what the MAC V Rules Of Engagement are. I won't explain that here, but it's like fighting a kangaroo with your dominant arm and leg both being tied down. It simply boils down to this, you were given a job to do and you did it. And by the way, I was a volunteer. My main reason for volunteering was because a close friend of mine was killed there and I felt that if I went, I would keep someone else's close friend from going. Plus, I was 19 and thought it would be an adventure. That's why young people fight wars. Once you get into your 30's, you would never do anything so stupid. I have lots more to say but will stop here.
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[This message was edited by Breeze147 on Wed July 28 2004 at 11:01 AM.]

tttiger
07-28-2004, 02:03 PM
Jolly,

Just for the record, if you read the book, "We Were Soldiers Once and Young," you would realize the movie is complete fiction.

For starters, it wasn't Moore' battalion that was hit, it was the battalion ahead of his and he tried to rescue them. The movie makes it his battalion that was attacked. Nothing in the movie tracks the book. Maybe if I hadn't read the book first I wouldn't have disliked the movie so much. All I got out of it is that Sam Elliott sure is ugly without that bushy mustache http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I consider "We Were Soldiers Once And Young" one of the best books written about Vietnam. Michael Herr's "Dispatches" tops my list. Two of Tim O'Brien's books, "Going After Cacciato" and his Vietnam novel, "The Things They Carried" are awesome and disturbing.

Actually, to me, the best Vietnam movie was "Good Morning, Vietnam!" After two tours I still didn't know exactly what we were doing there. Neither did the Robin Williams character and he was honest enough to say so.

Anyway, we're talking about titles:

"The War Lover," a great novel by John Hersey and a so-so movie with Steve McQueen as a bomber pilot is my nominee. I've never been able to figure out what that title means. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ttt

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johann_thor
07-28-2004, 02:05 PM
good post breeze147 - i did not know you were a soldier in vietnam. i agree with your points entirely. if i was there already i would do everything in my power to defend me and my buddies - you were soldiers not politicians, and you tried to do your job.

very nice to see someone like you respecting my view. i most surely respect yours.

johann_thor
07-28-2004, 02:13 PM
that has got to be one of my favorite movies of all time ... "the horror" along with "escape from new york" - "blade runner" and mostly late 70s and early 80's sci-fi budget fims in general. RUTGER HAUER comes to mind http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif dare i mention "salute of the jugger" .... masterpiece!

ON TOPIC:

"the thin red line" .... can someone explain please ?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by johann_thor:


lets rahter make more movies about the horrors of vietnam - not stupid glorified pornflicks like "we were soldiers"

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you pay attention to the story and plot of Apocalypse Now rather than all the explosions and crazy behavior, it is a movie about a man becoming what he is ordered to destroy, knowing it, and being unable to stop it. Sounds kinda horrific to me, because if you become what you hate, you become a Monster.

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~ Clash
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Chuck_Older
07-28-2004, 02:35 PM
Well, I would assume that The Thin Red Line refers to the lives of the soldiers.

The Police forces in many towns and cities used to be called "The thin blue line", because they were generally dressed in blue, and they were holding the Line against crime.

In the movie The Thin Red Line, it seems to me that the soldiers were holding the line with their blood.
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VF-17_Jolly
07-28-2004, 03:50 PM
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Just for the record, if you read the book, "We Were Soldiers Once and Young," you would realize the movie is complete fiction.

For starters, it wasn't Moore' battalion that was hit, it was the battalion ahead of his and he tried to rescue them. The movie makes it his battalion that was attacked. Nothing in the movie tracks the book. Maybe if I hadn't read the book first I wouldn't have disliked the movie so much. All I got out of it is that Sam Elliott sure is ugly without that bushy mustache

I agree that the film is a work of fiction but not the worst war film by a long way, but well based on fact and as i have not read the book i cannot comment on it (I will read it though) and i agree with the comment about sam elliot who fights the entire battle with a 1911 45 auto but your comment about the rescue mission does not seem to sit right as far as i can gather this was a first contact action on the part of the 1st CAV and the PAVN(NVA regulars)

By James Burbeck
In the late morning of November 14, 1965, several platoons of American troops landed by helicopter at a clearing located in the Ia Drang River Valley, Vietnam. Over the next few hours they were followed by more men from their battalion, the 1st of the 7th Cavalry, which was one of the best-trained and equipped air-mobile formations in the U.S. arsenal. They came to fight the North Vietnamese on their own ground and they opened that effort with a visit to this clearing that was code-named X-Ray. The clearing was figuratively "in the front yard" of a fully trained infantry division of the People's Army of Vietnam (PAVN). Weeks before, the North Vietnamese commanders heard of the Seventh's deployment to their region and they were keen to fight. They knew it would be necessary to fight bloody battles in order to formulate countermeasures to the new techniques of waging air-mobile war. Both sides received more than they expected though, for a battle developed which quickly spiraled to a crescendo of violence not yet seen in the war. It ended almost 48 hours later

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johann_thor
07-28-2004, 04:22 PM
finally - another rutger hauer fan !

but have you seen "salute of the jugger" ????

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Well, I would assume that The Thin Red Line refers to the lives of the soldiers.

The Police forces in many towns and cities used to be called "The thin blue line", because they were generally dressed in blue, and they were holding the Line against crime.

In the movie The Thin Red Line, it seems to me that the soldiers were holding the line with their blood.
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I can't tell you how many crummy movies that have Rutger Hauer in them are among my favorites. Roy Baty is one of the best movie bad guys ever.

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Killers in America work seven days a week
~ Clash
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JG52_wunsch
07-28-2004, 05:03 PM
the new "peral harbour" awful movie was just on t.v.yuck.what a waste of time.

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

tttiger
07-29-2004, 12:22 AM
Jolly -- All I can tell you is: Read the book.

"We Were Soldiers Once And Young" is an excellent and gripping read but the movie is NOT the same story. You obviously were very impressed with the movie, which I thought was lame (but I'm an old Command & General Staff College tactics instructor and I look at these things a bit more analytically than most). Not only was it inaccurate, it was not a coherent picture of the battle and the repeated spattering of blood on the camera lens was a cheap trick. Really, read the book.

BTW, here is a copy of Moore's after-action report that I found on the internet (I know it's pdf but scroll slowly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif):

http://www.lzxray.com/documents/aar-xray.pdf


Chuck -- "The Thin Red Line" title (the first movie in 1964 was good, the remake in 1998 sucked but the James "From Here To Eternity" Jones book is great) is from a Rudyard Kipling poem called "Tommy":

"It's Tommy this and Tommy that and Tommy, how's your soul?

"But it's a thin red line of heroes when the drums begin to roll."

It's right behind the title page in the book. No, I haven't even looked at the book for at least 40 years but I remembered the quote and a 30-second Google search confirmed it.

A "Tommy," as I'm sure you know, is a British soldier. The red, of course, was the color of the British uniforms. I'm constantly amazed how you toss out such authoritative sounding opinions that often prove to be completely wrong. Phrases like "I would assume" and "It seems to me" are a dead giveaway. If you don't know, look it up. Nice guess but no cigar http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Aloha,

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DuxCorvan
07-29-2004, 12:34 AM
I didn't like 'The thin red line', neither the title nor the movie. Its 'psichological' approach to characters, and the constant appeal to their thoughts were pretentious, and the scenes of that idiotized guy remembering his wife were incredibly boring and should have been cut-off. He looked like he was absolutely dumb, and, instead of pity him, one just enjoys when a Japanese takes him out of his misery, for guys like this are more dangerous to his comrades than to enemy.

Being so boring and unexpressive, it's not surprising that his -really cute- wife left him... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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The_Ant
07-29-2004, 02:52 AM
Tears of the sun.

thats a nice name for a war/action movie, whats the meaning the sun is sad and sheds tears over bruce willis and his gang?
though i know there was etnich cleansing involved (hence the tear )but what have that too do with the title in such case.

another one
Empire of the sun by spielberg.

it sounds like a real oooohhhh much watch movie but it only consentrates about a little retarted boy.

bazzaah2
07-29-2004, 06:12 AM
'Empire of the Sun' is not a war film per se, it's an account of J G Ballard's, the author of the book from which the film takes its name, childhood.

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