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ElAurens
05-26-2004, 05:35 AM
I have hesitated to post this because I know it will set off the USN crowd, but I feel it is necessary.

There seems to be a sense of glee in those who will fly USN birds in PF. A sense that they will own the IJN/IJAAF in PF. There is an expectation that the Japanese aircraft will simply fall out of the sky at the mere appearance of USN fighters on the horizon.

A sense that every time you fire up the computer, it will be the Mariannas Turkey Shoot.

For those that fly offline this may be true. Just set your enemy AIs to n00b, and have a ball.

But those of us who fly online should know better. When we go up in our F6Fs we won't be facing poorly trained boys in worn out crates.

Every time we enter a DF server or a Coop online, we will be facing a half dozen Sakais in factory fresh, perfectly performing aircraft. It is most decidedly not going to be the Allied rout that many here think it will be.

The real problem with this is that it will lead to a plethora of threads about porked Allied FMs, guns, etc...

Mark my words.

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ElAurens
05-26-2004, 05:35 AM
I have hesitated to post this because I know it will set off the USN crowd, but I feel it is necessary.

There seems to be a sense of glee in those who will fly USN birds in PF. A sense that they will own the IJN/IJAAF in PF. There is an expectation that the Japanese aircraft will simply fall out of the sky at the mere appearance of USN fighters on the horizon.

A sense that every time you fire up the computer, it will be the Mariannas Turkey Shoot.

For those that fly offline this may be true. Just set your enemy AIs to n00b, and have a ball.

But those of us who fly online should know better. When we go up in our F6Fs we won't be facing poorly trained boys in worn out crates.

Every time we enter a DF server or a Coop online, we will be facing a half dozen Sakais in factory fresh, perfectly performing aircraft. It is most decidedly not going to be the Allied rout that many here think it will be.

The real problem with this is that it will lead to a plethora of threads about porked Allied FMs, guns, etc...

Mark my words.

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LEXX_Luthor
05-26-2004, 05:54 AM
Wow, FP releace must be just around the corner

JUNE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif


Who needs NAVY anyway?

Marines Rule! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Land based FP is good enough for me.

MEGILE
05-26-2004, 06:14 AM
Maybe the USN guys feel like that, but personaly my ride is the Mustang. And from experience of flying dogfight missions against the KI-84, I know that if you don't keep your head on the game and stay focused your gonna get your a$$ handed to you on a plate.
Zeros too will sometimes surprise you....sometimes

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tigerroach
05-26-2004, 06:14 AM
I haven't seen it that way, that those of us clamoring to fly USN planes are assuming the foes will be easy prey. We are anxious to fly Corsairs and 'cats because they are really cool planes.

Shooting down Zeros flown by good pilots was a tough assignment in RL and it should be in PF also.

Tater-SW-
05-26-2004, 08:52 AM
For years in WarBirds I flew the F4F almost all the time (F6F was too easy, didn't seem fair ;-). When not in a F4F, I tended to fly the Oscar, then Zeke.

I think that the IJN/AF planes are going to be a handful for many in online play, for sure. Offline, too, given the fact that it's about impossible in game to bounce anything, the AI encourages TnB, IMO (let your AI wingmen do that, then BnZ through the furball).

I think that most of us that have flown in PTO setups in games like Warbirds have seen that with alt, the US planes are damn tough customers for IJN/AF units. It will be tough, but unlike the early war, we will know what NOT to do when flying allied.

tater

IV_JG51_Razor
05-26-2004, 09:55 AM
If Oleg and Luthier get it right, by the time you make it back to your carrier (assuming you DO make it back), the landing will blank out any combat you encountered during the mission. If Oleg and Luthier get it right, the SUCCESSFUL landing will be the crowning achievement of the mission, not the A-A kills, or the ground targets destroyed.

.......but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
05-26-2004, 11:16 AM
With *proper* mission building the slow fighters are at a disadvantage in a campaign.

In my own test missions for my campaign Easter Front, I am finding the "uber" I~16, although competitive in a offwhine AI dogfight, generally FAIL to successfully intercept fast German bombers before they are caught by escort fighters. They are too slow. Same with Japanese fighters like Ki~43 and Zero later in the WAR.

Obi_Kwiet
05-26-2004, 12:54 PM
Marines are the BEST! MAbey you navy guys did well in corsairs and hellcats, the Marines owned with F4F's long after the Navy had F6F's. The US side may have a hard time on servers, because every one will fly the Ki-Uber's that a total of 5 planes of that type were made. There needs to be a set ammount of certian AC at each base on MP. That would be cool.

BSS_Vidar
05-26-2004, 01:28 PM
Man, was this guy way off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif
I have not seen a single post on this forum that even remotely hints anyone feeling that USN/USMC/USAAF aircraft are gonna dominate the skies in this game. I've only seen expressions of joy for being able to jump into a "Bent-wing warrior", Wildcat, and Hellcat again discussed and the challenge of carrier operations.
If anything, Allied aircraft in PF will more than likely follow the trend of being under-gunned and undermodeled to compete with axis aircraft very much like FB/AEP is. But I'll still fly them just the same.

BSS_Vidar

Aeronautico
05-26-2004, 01:43 PM
Just here to say:

Sorry MEGILE I stole your avatar.
It was mine too at the old forums old times, you know?

If you're really really pis*ed off and insist though, I can give up.

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