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zugfuhrer
04-04-2004, 04:00 PM
I cant get the guns projectiles to go where the sight retricle is.

zugfuhrer
04-04-2004, 04:00 PM
I cant get the guns projectiles to go where the sight retricle is.

carguy_
04-04-2004, 04:04 PM
Shift+F1



Just kidding... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

When you enable the gunsight mode view,the gun aims at the center line below the gunsight circle.Just over the reticle dimmer glass[when disabled].

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zugfuhrer
04-04-2004, 04:11 PM
You must be kidding.
Why didnt the use the gunsight middleposition if they got one.
Was it so in real life.

Dash_C.
04-04-2004, 04:11 PM
Where you aim using the reticle depends on distance from target, but it's generally about where the bottom of the circle crosses the vertical line. Practice and it will come naturally.

XyZspineZyX
04-04-2004, 04:50 PM
No, it wasn't that way in real life. The sights in 109s (not sure about 110s) were very slightly offset, because the majority of pilots favored their right eyes. However, in practice this had almost no effect on sighting through the Revi, unless one were in a very tight turn, pulling lots of Gs. You'd need several degrees of offset, and closer to the actual glass to make the image "go off the glass".

Howver, since this was a way to 'stick it to Jerry', the design team went all out to make it an additional keypress (Alt+F1) to do what one would naturally do while sitting in the seat: look through and aim through the cockpit.

NegativeGee
04-04-2004, 05:19 PM
The gunpod on the Bf-110 G2/R1 has been modelled incorrectly.

It was modelled by for level ground strafing, but apparently it was aligned to fire on the centreline.

Buzz2K (IIRC- if not, sorry) was in touch with Oleg about this and it will be corrected in the first AEP patch.

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Gershy
04-04-2004, 06:57 PM
will be corrected. I started a thread in ORR, buzz sent some material to Oleg and Oleg said it'll be fixed. The BK3.7 in the 110 was not aimed downwards because it was used as an AA gun not like Oleg though as an anti-ground gun. The 110s were originally meant to be equipped with Mk101 for bomber attack but because of sortage in production were equiped with the BK3.7. It was tested in ground attack but the units were withdrawn from the east and did intercpt mission against B17s. In "Bf110 Aces of WW2" by Weal you can see pics of 110s in early 44 in Germany with the leader carrying a Bk3.7 and the wingman carrying rockets to intercept.

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butch2k
04-05-2004, 04:55 AM
yup it will be corrected, i sent the whole G2/R1 manual to Oleg so that he could correct it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fehler
04-05-2004, 05:23 AM
Hrm.. Butch2K...

Does that mean it will be loaded with HE rounds instead of AP rounds? It does nice work on tanks as it is, but as an Anti-Bomber gun AKA the flak 37, wont it be useless on armored ground targets?

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Saturnalia2
04-05-2004, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:
Hrm.. Butch2K...

Does that mean it will be loaded with HE rounds instead of AP rounds? It does nice work on tanks as it is, but as an Anti-Bomber gun AKA the flak 37, wont it be useless on armored ground targets?
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Last I checked the 110 WAS loaded with HE rounds. You get a nice little blast whenever you hit the ground and an inability to knockout the heavier tanks as with the AP rounds.

NorrisMcWhirter
04-05-2004, 10:41 AM
Hi,

Are they going to correct the sight angle for rockets, too?

Using the 110 for "anti-shipping duties" with WrGr 21 rockets sees the projectiles shooting clearly *over* the intended targets....


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yarbles67
04-05-2004, 10:55 AM
Aiming the Bk 37mm is a bit tricky at first but once you find your groove, most tanks will die (except maybe the Kv1).

The method I and a few other crafty 110 flyers use is as follows. Hit Shift-f1 (unlike other German planes, this doesn't offset the site, it simply applies a different zoom level). You should be able to see the entire gunsite ring but there's one critical piece here, you should be able to see a tick mark at the 6 o'clock position that's outsite the ring. If you don't see this, hit Shift-f1 again. Once the tick mark is outside the ring but sligthly above the tinted base of the gunsite mount, you're ready to move mud. Use that tick mark as the center piper. This is odd of course because we're used to the real cente of the Revi but for the configuration of the 37mm gun pod, it's the only way to aim. For some reason, this tick mark acts at the aimer for the angled 37mm gun. Works like a champ. You'll have to get used to your attack angle but once you get it (I would recommend a shallow dive at 30 degrees), you'll be able to kill 20+ light to medium tanks in a single sortie. It generally takes about 3-5 well placed rounds to destroy a T34. I created a large tank range (contains all Russian and American armor types) simply to practice straffing in the 110 with the 37mm gun pod.

carguy_
04-05-2004, 11:06 AM
BTW the rockets on the A8 are also aiming too high on the reticle.Dunno if it`s historical though.

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Gershy
04-05-2004, 01:49 PM
The thing with german rockets is that their convergence is somewhere around 700 to 750. you can't change it. they are not meant to shoot at single bombers but into the middle of a formation from outside of their gunrange. They are actually not even rockets but granates. they explode like flakshells and cause quite some damage if you shoot from about 700 meters from the bombers' six. you can damage quite some at once and break up the formation to be able to shoot the single bombers with your guns.

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carguy_
04-05-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
The thing with german rockets is that their convergence is somewhere around 700 to 750. you can't change it. they are not meant to shoot at single bombers but into the middle of a formation from outside of their gunrange. They are actually not even rockets but granates. they explode like flakshells and cause quite some damage if you shoot from about 700 meters from the bombers' six. you can damage quite some at once and break up the formation to be able to shoot the single bombers with your guns.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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It seems ppl don`t know that cuz noone does this.Gonna try this on the newest sortie.

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Gershy
04-05-2004, 05:44 PM
took quite some time to test it, but according to what i read about the i decided to test and just turned arrows on and tried it. If it explodes in a formation you MAY do qite some damage as i said before. I had the feeling that 700 or a bit more is quite nice against B17s. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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