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fulanito_chile
03-14-2004, 04:09 PM
ok... i start this thread as yesterday i watched a British docu/movie called "Threads" and i tell you even though the cold war is over it scared the life out of me! if i had watched it in the early/mid 80's when it was made i think i would have been really shocked!.!.! (BTW it was based on a Russian nuclear attack on the U.K) anyway that movie aside (i highly recomend it...And if you watched it during the 80's what effect did it have on you?)

Which military movie is the most ture to life? i've never been in the military or in combat for that matter but i think these are my 4 top realistic movies...

1.Platoon
2.We were soldiers
3.Saving privet Ryan (even thought the story line about getting Ryan was a bit unrealistic)
4.Full metal jaket

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

fulanito_chile
03-14-2004, 04:09 PM
ok... i start this thread as yesterday i watched a British docu/movie called "Threads" and i tell you even though the cold war is over it scared the life out of me! if i had watched it in the early/mid 80's when it was made i think i would have been really shocked!.!.! (BTW it was based on a Russian nuclear attack on the U.K) anyway that movie aside (i highly recomend it...And if you watched it during the 80's what effect did it have on you?)

Which military movie is the most ture to life? i've never been in the military or in combat for that matter but i think these are my 4 top realistic movies...

1.Platoon
2.We were soldiers
3.Saving privet Ryan (even thought the story line about getting Ryan was a bit unrealistic)
4.Full metal jaket

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-14-2004, 04:16 PM
Very good selection, how about Midway and A Bridge Too Far? Those have to be my favorite movies....Oh and Hambuger Hill, very intense and real, I fell bad every time the Huey shoots at its own troops, very sad moment. We Were Soldiers is the reality of War in Viet Nam in the begginning, very moving movie.

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fulanito_chile
03-14-2004, 04:18 PM
yeah... Bridge too Far great/hambuger hill great movies! never saw Midway only tora tora tora..

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

F19_Olli72
03-14-2004, 04:19 PM
2 finnish movies comes to mind;

# Winter war
# Ambush

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tazzers01
03-14-2004, 04:22 PM
I saw Threads in the 1980s and yes it scared me but fascinated me at the same time. It is set in Sheffield and I have only ever passed through but that film still haunts me today.

As for realistic films. I don't know. I've been in the British military and everything looks different when you are really there. Not cinemagraphic if you see what I mean, the directors have artistic licence and they muck about with lighting and 'mood'. The truth is if you know anything about photography or film making you could make doing the washing up look dramatic and exciting http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Zyzbot
03-14-2004, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tazzers01:

I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Americans CAN accept that. But HOLLYWOOD doesn't accept anything except their own narrow view of things.

Huxley_S
03-14-2004, 04:27 PM
I like The Longest Day... it shows the events of D-Day from all sides. Private Ryan has realism in spades and a good story. I also like The Great Escape (christmas wouldn't be the same without it!) and I'm a fan of Apocalypse Now.

Threads? Scared the hell out of everyone who saw it!

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03-14-2004, 04:46 PM
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_VR_ScorpionWorm
03-14-2004, 04:51 PM
Yeah, Tora Tora Tora and the Longest Day, forgot about those, Apocolypse Now was awesome. Have you seen DeerHunter? Haven't seen Threads, never heard of it but I will definetely check it out.

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dandruff_
03-14-2004, 05:01 PM
"Stalingrad"
"Das Boot"

and of course: "U-571" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
In fact, Bon Jovi actually increased the quality of the film by acting in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jagdgeschwader2
03-14-2004, 05:02 PM
Don't forget Battle of Britain from MGM. Fairly accurate but a bit one sided. Special effects are good for 1969. Bridge on the River
Kwai,Twelve O' Clock High,The Blue Max and just for fun Force Ten from Navarone. These are just some of my favorites. As for the most realistic as it has been said I don't think that is possible. No one will ever be able to
recreate all the experiences and horrors of war.

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RocketDog
03-14-2004, 05:04 PM
I was doing my PhD at Sheffield when Threads was filmed and shown on TV. Some of my friends worked as extras.

The night it was shown we watched on TV as the city in which we lived was nuked. At work the day after everyone was almost in shock. A horrible time. Looking back many of us thought a nuclear war was almost a certainty before the decade was out.

Regards,

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Bearcat99
03-14-2004, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tazzers01:
I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Puhhh lease.... We are all well aware that we didnt singlehandedly liberate Europe and save England. It's only some of you Euros who seem to think we feel that way and that it is your duty to remind us that we didnt do it alone. Why is that? Why cant the US make a movie about something in the war from our perspective without you guys coming up with the "Oooooo well we fought tooooooooo..." bit. OBVIOUSLY since it was in your frickin backyard. Saving Private Ryan was a movie..... a movie about American soldiers..... period. Some of you folks from across the ocean never cease to amaze me the way you toss your little digs in at the least opportunity , to insinuate we are trying to rewrite history or something. Then you say...... "Ooooo no offense.." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
I cant wait till this new movie about that The Battle of Britain comes out....LMAO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif Some of you guys may bust a blood vessel in your heads.... or should I say another blood vessel.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Moving right along....... I would have to add Band of Brothers and Das Boot to that list. That thing with Ricky Schroeder about the Lost Battalion in WW1 was good too.

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RocketDog
03-14-2004, 05:06 PM
Bearcat, to be fair, U-571 was pretty offensive to anyone from the UK.

Regards,

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03-14-2004, 05:08 PM
633 squadron (best theme music ever!) and the Dambusters...

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Huxley_S
03-14-2004, 05:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I cant wait till this new movie about that The Battle of Britain comes out....LMAO<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OMG I hope it isn't by the same team that did "Pearl Harbour" otherwise I might cry... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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Udidtoo
03-14-2004, 05:33 PM
U-571 wasn't just offensive to the English. It was offensive to anyone with a higher brain function. Same can be said for Pearl Harbor.
In defense of Saving Private Ryan though it wasn't about Brits or even a area that had any Brit troops in the vacinity. Why in hell would they put Brit troops in it.
Geez Bears right, everytime one of these pops up some one has to get that dig in or they go back to the tired old " I want good Brit actors playing the Brits parts in my movies" yada yada yada.
I want Good Actors playing the parts in my movies, I could give a hunk of **** where they was born. Half the actors in Band of Brothers were Brits and you know what? Other than a couple not so Southern southern accents they did a damn fine job. I don't think I've ever heard a single Yank whine about those roles not being filled by good old "Mericans"
As for a favorite choice I love that old late 60's Battle of Waterloo. Man when the French throw in all their cavlery and it just keeps getting broken up by sucessive boxes of English infantry and they show that ariel shot of all the men and horses, confusion everywhere you look but all one large cohesive manuver at the same time. Hmmm think I need to go dig that out and give a look.
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Bristolboy
03-14-2004, 05:35 PM
1 Paths of Glory

2 Original version of All Quiet on the western Front(great book too, written by a German)

3 A Matter of Life and Death(Powell and Pressburger)

4 Full Metal Jacket.

BlackHawkLeader
03-14-2004, 05:35 PM
To the Contrary Bearcat,
With out United States involment in WW2, there was no hope of Victory for the allies.

Thats just a Fact no american need apologise for that.
Even Winston Churchill wrote in his memoirs on the day America entered the War on the Allied side.

We have Won already, Hitlers fate is sealed, Mussolinis fate is sealed, and the Japanese will be ground into the dust!

Most realistic movie! Easy MGMs Battle of Britain, actual remaining WW2 Aircraft used in the Movie, some even flown by pilots who took part in WW 2 Europe.

You dont get more real than that; 1968/ 1969 was a great time to make a WW2 Movie, not very long after that great war ended, plenty of original pilots still capable of flying equipment that needed some mechanical repair and a bit of a re paint.

2nd Place
TORA! TORA! TORA!
For the filming done on the refurbished decks of actual sunken Japanese Battle ships, that where left with the decks still out of the Water.

3rd Place,
The Longest Day.

4th Place
Band of Brothers !

[This message was edited by BlackHawkLeader on Sun March 14 2004 at 04:47 PM.]

ASM 1
03-14-2004, 05:36 PM
Saw Threads for the first time about a year ago, and it scared the S--T out of me - my mate has it on video, and we watched it with the lights out..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Its the build up to the bomb that gets me. You get to know the characters and then when the moment comes, and you see what happens to them... And the fact that the effects are so believable - i.e. it uses normal everyday life as the backdrop.

I wonder - can you still buy it? or has it been banned in the uk?

My brother remembers it vividly - he watched it one night on the BBC, at 2am, said there was a big thing about it being a work of fiction (a la War of the Worlds) before the broadcast. Worrying for him at the time was the fact that he was at uni at the time..... In Sheffield! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

I also have an AVI of "Protect and Survive" the public information broadcast - that *REALLY* scares me - it must be the supposedly cheerful little chime at the end...... &lt;shivers&gt; Apparently they broadcast this before the actual program....

As for movie which had most effect (the above traumatization aside)?

Stalingrad
Das Boot
Bridge over the river Kwai
Battle of Britain (apart from those NASTY hispano BF109's)

RJ Mitchell "First of the Few" - not the proper title I dont think or is it ?(can't remember) but its the story of the Spitfire.

other fav's in no particular order

The Dirty Dozen (original, not the remake)
Eagle Has Landed
Night of the Fox


Thats a few off the top of my head


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georgeo76
03-14-2004, 05:46 PM
Paths of Glory
Apocalypse now
Full Metal Jacket
Private Ryan
Bridge over the river Kwai

I'm not comfortable in asserting realism (how would I know?) These are some of the war movies that made an impression on me.

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SeaFireLIV
03-14-2004, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackHawkLeader:
To the Contrary Bearcat,
With out United States involment in WW2, there was no hope of Victory for the allies.

Thats just a Fact no american need apologise for that.
Even Winston Churchill wrote in his memoirs on the day America entered the War on the Allied side.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would also respectfully add that without the British standing up to Hitler in BOB and cancelling his final victory of Western Europe, we`d probably still have a Nazis Europe now with an isolated American continent on the other side. We Brits have nothing to apologise for for holding the Fort alone.

I think Churchill had something famous to say about that too... Something about `The few...`

The `80s was a scary time for me. I saw those WWIII programs too. At the time I would lie in bed at my family`s home waiting for the inevitable `BOMB`.

Even today I`m still slightly amazed it never happened.... but those bombs are still there...

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ASM 1
03-14-2004, 05:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RocketDog:
I was doing my PhD at Sheffield when Threads was filmed and shown on TV.
RocketDog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rocket

So was my brother Paul (doing his PhD in sheffield) ... LOL!

Forgot to mention :- Not a great movie but the book is excellent - "Fatherland" By Robert Harris. A great "what if" story of a Nazi occupied Europe.

As I said, a pity they didnt make a good job of the movie (I mean Rutger Hauer, c'mon.....!) but compelling story nonetheless.

[This message was edited by asm016 on Sun March 14 2004 at 04:58 PM.]

hop2002
03-14-2004, 05:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I wonder - can you still buy it? or has it been banned in the uk?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It certainly hasn' been banned. I can't think of any reason it could have been, either. It was shown a couple of times on BBC 4 last Oct/Nov.

I watched it again, and it certainly wasn't as worrying this time around as back in the early 80s.

Flamin_Squirrel
03-14-2004, 06:12 PM
Im not looking forward to the new BoB movie if it turns out to be the travisty of history ive heard it to be.

Billy Friske (the lead character) was one of 12 Americans that fought during BoB as i understand. As a brit, any movie depicting the US leading their helpless allies to victory despite numerical insignificance isnt likely win favour with me... but its the overall disrespect for history that upsets me most.

From what ive read, Billy flew only a handful of combat missions, shot nothing down, and was mortaly wounded after a crash landing. He gave his life in defence of a country that was not his own, he was undoubtedly a hero. Noone can ask more of anyone than that.

To reinvent the past to show a man acheiving more than he did is like saying, "you were hopeless, what you did wasnt good enough".

Billy died a slow and painful death and paid the ultimate price for his heroism. Hollywood is shameful for sullying his name and that of the RAF for its own selfish reasons. I just hope the movie doesnt end up as bad as i fear.

Hope noone minds me sharing my views, its something i can feel quite strongly about.

As for films, all top choices. Band of Brothers is great too (although not technicaly a movie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif).

LuftLuver
03-14-2004, 06:13 PM
"Theirs is the Glory" (circa 1945)

Most of the actors were actual Market Garden participants. Uniforms and weapons are the real deal, and Tigers and Panthers stand in for Tigers and Panthers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Most of "A Bridge Too Far" was lifted from it. Very rare, but found a VHS here (http://www.warshows.com/Detail.bok?no=7537).

Fender_74
03-14-2004, 06:21 PM
i watched threads at school in the mid 80's must have been about 11 or so,give me sh#ts for sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
dunkirk with john mills is a good film for it's time.
i thought paths of glory with kirk douglas was a good film too.
i wish someone would make a full movie of pegasus bridge,that would make a great film. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rick_475
03-14-2004, 06:28 PM
You forgot to consider

Lawrence of Arabia
Schindler's list
The great escape
Battleship Potemkin

And probably some others that I don't remember for now.

jensenpark
03-14-2004, 06:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by asm016:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RocketDog:
I was doing my PhD at Sheffield when Threads was filmed and shown on TV.
RocketDog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rocket

So was my brother Paul (doing his PhD in sheffield) ... LOL!

Forgot to mention :- Not a great movie but the book is excellent - "Fatherland" By Robert Harris. A great "what if" story of a Nazi occupied Europe.

As I said, a pity they didnt make a good job of the movie (I mean Rutger Hauer, c'mon.....!) but compelling story nonetheless.

[This message was edited by asm016 on Sun March 14 2004 at 04:58 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Funny I was just thinking about the book...seemed to portray a 1964 version of a partial Nazi victory pretty well. Great book in anyone has a chance to pick it up. Never saw the movie...didn't know one was made...

One movie I still remember well (though it was a cheesy made for TV movie) was The Day After.
There was one shot where a farming family somewhere in the US midwest stands watching the missiles leave the silos. Very creepy.

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Captain_Avatar
03-14-2004, 06:38 PM
1: Battle of Britain.- They pretty much got it right. If you overlook the model airplanes and the lack of JU-88s and DO-17s http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

2: Bridge at Remagen: - Last of the classic 60-70's war films where the European landscape still resembled what it did in the 40's.

3: Tora Tora Tora: - Had an uncle who was on the USS Curtis at Pearl Harbor. Saw a lot more than a 17 year old should have that day. He went out on a launch to pick up survivors. As he tried to pull them out of the water they would fall back in because the skin would peel off their burnt arms.

4: Saving Private Ryan: Not a totally implausible story. Couldn't beleive I cried like a baby at the end when Ryan was at Millers grave side and asked him if he had "earned this" (his life). Thankfully I didn't see it in the theater. Took a while for my wife to figure out why I was upset by the film. The theme music is still a touch and go thing for me......

Glazier
03-14-2004, 06:38 PM
No contest:

"Das Boot"
"Thin Red Line"
"Waterloo"

One13
03-14-2004, 06:42 PM
One of the best war films I have ever seen is that Russian film called (I think) "Come and see". It is set in German occupied Ukraine and is a powerful and disturding film.
There was also another excellent Russian film about a young boy who works for the partisans behind enemy lines gathering information. I can't remember the name, can anyone out there recall it?

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Huxley_S
03-14-2004, 06:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The P-51 won the Battle of Waterloo<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!

Actually in the new remake, the Battle of Waterloo is won by an elite unit of plucky Americans and it all takes place in an area of France where there weren't any English soldiers.

There's also a new Bollywood film about Vietnam, where a squad of green berets from Bangalore are unable to defeat the North Vietnamese despite their impressively choreographed song and dance numbers and a forbidden love interest between the lead protagonist and the Communist General's daughter... etc...

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jtasker
03-14-2004, 07:14 PM
"Bearcat, to be fair, U-571 was pretty offensive to anyone from the UK.

Regards,

RocketDog."

Why are you offended, because it makes it seem that the US found the Enigma machine rather than the people who really did?

I'm sure the Poles who actually helped smuggle it out are a lot more offended http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DamienW
03-14-2004, 07:39 PM
Das boot.

The 317th platoon (not well know french war movie about the french vietnam war. Made by a former soldier who fought there, so he knows what he's talking about).

Chuck_Older
03-14-2004, 07:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RocketDog:
Bearcat, to be fair, U-571 was pretty offensive to anyone from the UK.

Regards,

RocketDog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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U-571 is pretty offensive to anyone who knows anything about WWII. Yes, the Brits got the KreigsMarine Enigma. Thank You.

But it is just a movie for entertainment. Not quite on a par with Das Boot or Galipolli.

U-571 is in a genre of war movies like Von Ryan's Express or Kelly's Heroes. Fun movies, but not very realistic and never pretended to be.

My four would be (in order)

1) Saving Private Ryan (the story about getting a single Private is not all that far fetched, by the way)
2) Das Boot (the single best anti-war movie that was ever made, see the director's cut if you have the choice)
3) A Bridge Too Far (Hail Mary Fulla Grace)
4) Full Metal Jacket (I saw men who turned out to be Marines who fought in Vietnam walk out of the theatre because the training scenes were too much for them. Yikes)

I would easily choose Band of Brothers as number one, but it was much more than a movie in the sense that it had the time to develop character and story over a much longer time than any movie could hope for. I usually refer to cable TV as the Devil, but without it, something like Band of Brothers would never be.


I refuse to see Pearl Harbor. I liked that movie better when it was Tora! Tora! Tora! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

As far as "Americanizing" WWII movies goes:
well, duh, they are made in the US, who would Hollywood target for a US Audience if not Americans? Movies are entertainment for about 99% of the populace. You can't expect a Hollywood movie to educate.

Here is what Hollywood is about:
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SwingerSpecial
03-14-2004, 08:00 PM
"The Bridge" (Die Brucke) is definitely one everyone should see - A German movie about the war from the fifties, not exactly a common item. You can get this one on DVD through Amazon, just be prepared to pay a little extra and then some (~50$ the last time I looked).

I would love to be able to recommend "The Unknown Soldier" (Tuntematon Sotilas) without any reservations, but quite frankly, if you watch the movie just by itself you'll walk away from it feeling like you've just seen a modern art expo - not really sure of what you make of it but everyone else seemed to enjoy. In order to really understand the whole thing, not only do you need to read the book, but also it's prequel, "Under The Northern Star" trilogy. A great story, but a very confusing movie, especially towards the end. Not exactly the best way to get fans, but if you go through the whole process you'll appreciate it afterwards.

mllaneza
03-14-2004, 08:04 PM
* The first 15 minutes of "Enemy at the Gates".

* Tora, Tora, Tora is pretty much a documentary.

* Das Boot. 'Nuf Said.

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TX-Chukar
03-14-2004, 08:08 PM
I tend to divide these movies up into two categories, the first being modern films that have are able to deliver films with more realism than ever before and second are the oldies but goddies.

My top 4 modern films:

Band of Brothers
Blackhawk Down
Saving Private Ryan
We Were Soldiers


My favorite older films are:

A Bridge to Far
Battle of Britain
The Longest Day
Midway





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Slickun
03-14-2004, 08:24 PM
"84 Charlie Mopic" is a movie about Viet-Nam.

Supposedly it is a documentary of a LRRP patrol finding a NVA encampment and calling in artillery on it. The catch is that the movie is filmed as if a combat cameraman was doing all the filming, on the spot, as it happened. Thus the title, which is the MOS of a combat cameraman.

The producer attempted to make everything as authentic as possible, from the uniforms to the weapons to the food eaten.

One thing he left out though...there was way WAY too much talking on the op, and the troops were much too bunched up (a problem in all war movies).

Highly reccomended little gem from the 70's, I believe.

RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-14-2004, 08:26 PM
Salute

Thin Red Line.

But even it isn't close of course.

Most modern ground combat takes place at much longer ranges than we see in movies.

Lots of times you never see much of your opponent. You are just returning fire at sound or flashes.

Plus of course, the biggest killer is artillery. No glamour in that.

You look at Saving Private Ryan, and all that combat is taking place at ranges which would be suicidal.

The last big scene is a joke. No decent use of cover, no use of suppressing fire by the Germans, no Artillery barrage beforehand, no use of the buildings to approach, no fire and movement, etc. etc.

Or that assault on the Radar station in the middle of the film. If the Tom Hanks character was a real Ranger, he'd never try something as stupid. That was straight banzai charge... and in reality, the German machine gun would have cut them all down in seconds.

Real Rangers would have placed weapons, and the Sniper much more carefully, infiltrated much closer, and likely made the assault in small groups of 2, with fire and movement. Or he would have bypassed it completely as his subordinate suggested and radioed in the position for artillery or air.

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Bearcat99
03-14-2004, 09:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackHawkLeader:
To the Contrary Bearcat,
With out United States involment in WW2, there was no hope of Victory for the allies.
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Fresh troops and an unscathed industrial base will certainly win a war thats for sure.... however be that as it may be, still it was a collective effort and we didnt do it alone...that's all Im saying......


also RD....I never said anything about U-571... I actually thought it was enhhh as a movie.

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horseback
03-14-2004, 10:37 PM
Twelve O'Clock High is not getting enough ink on a forum dedicated to the air war in WWII.

I don't remember the movie clearly, but it was sufficient to prompt me to buy the book "The Cruel Sea," about the Battle of the Atlantic from the Royal Navy's (officers') perspective. Probably did more to put me in the Navy than the baldfaced lies the Air Force recruiter told me back in '75(I neglected to inform him that my Dad had just retired from the USAF as a Master sergeant until he had unloaded a whole pile of steaming crap in front of me and a couple of other guys-shoulda seen his face when I told him).

"All Quiet On the Western Front" was pretty well done, but the credit goes to the book again-the made for TV version with John-Boy and Ernest Borgnine was pretty good, too.

I also think, after reading the historical accounts of the Indain Wars in the American Southwest (no, not Texas, dammit!), that some of John Ford's movies about the US Cavalry weren't as far off as some might think. "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon" makes a fine representative of that genre.

Surely there were some decently true to life movies about the Napoleonic Wars, or the Crimean War-anyone? We have a pretty eclectic group here, so there has to have been someone in a position to judge.

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Kannaksen_hanu
03-15-2004, 12:42 AM
1. Winter War
2. Stalingrad
3. Das Boot
4. Band of Brothers

TPCMike
03-15-2004, 01:09 AM
I can't pick an order but my favs:

Stalingrad
Band Of Brothers
Saving Private Ryan
We Were Soldiers
Das Boot (Directors cut is awesome)

And hell, the Allies won the war. Polish, British, American, Norwegian, Indian, Australian etc etc etc

All fought and all gave their blood to fight the Axis.

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Rab09
03-15-2004, 01:09 AM
The best has to be "Das Boat"
My father was a Chief Torpedoman in the Pacific (U.S.A.) and he told me after watching it that thats the way it was! He was all sweety and shaking and had a faraway look in his eyes.

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SCHADEN
03-15-2004, 01:14 AM
mmm
Beast of War - Afghanistan

Paths of Glory

When Trumpets fade

Battle of Britain

Thin Red Line

Waterloo

All Quiet on the Western Front

Cross of Iron

SCHADEN
03-15-2004, 01:18 AM
I agree with the remark about realism in Private Ryan - I'd have mortared the crap out the MG position for 30 minutes then assaulted from the flank under smoke, doubt if anyone would have been left by then but no one does hey diddle-diddle straight up the middle anymore...

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03-15-2004, 01:20 AM
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Zen--
03-15-2004, 01:29 AM
I'm surprised that only one person mentioned BlackHawk Down...it is THE most realistic movie about small unit combat that I have ever seen.

Having served in the US Army and participated in plenty of small unit training excercises before I got into Armor, it is in my mind the most well done film that shows what firefights are really like.

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Sharpe26
03-15-2004, 01:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Twelve O'Clock High is not getting enough ink on a forum dedicated to the air war in WWII.

I don't remember the movie clearly, but it was sufficient to prompt me to buy the book "The Cruel Sea," about the Battle of the Atlantic from the Royal Navy's (officers') perspective. Probably did more to put me in the Navy than the baldfaced lies the Air Force recruiter told me back in '75(I neglected to inform him that my Dad had just retired from the USAF as a Master sergeant until he had unloaded a whole pile of steaming crap in front of me and a couple of other guys-shoulda seen his face when I told him).

"All Quiet On the Western Front" was pretty well done, but the credit goes to the book again-the made for TV version with John-Boy and Ernest Borgnine was pretty good, too.

I also think, after reading the historical accounts of the Indain Wars in the American Southwest (no, not Texas, dammit!), that some of John Ford's movies about the US Cavalry weren't as far off as some might think. "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon" makes a fine representative of that genre.

Surely there were some decently true to life movies about the Napoleonic Wars, or the Crimean War-anyone? We have a pretty eclectic group here, so there has to have been someone in a position to judge.

cheers

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Horseback as far as the era of Napoleon is concerned, I'd say take a look at:
The battle of Waterloo (interesting here is that with one exception all forces consisted of Red army soldiers)
Captain Horatio Hornblower (even older, starring Gregory Peck)
Hornblower the series
and though as corny as it may seem, the Sharpe series

as far as the Crimean war is concerned;
there is a 1960s version of the charge of the Light brigade starring amongst others Trevor Howard. I don't know of many others.

Wannabe-Pilot
03-15-2004, 01:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
One of the best war films I have ever seen is that Russian film called (I think) "Come and see". It is set in German occupied Ukraine and is a powerful and disturding film.
There was also another excellent Russian film about a young boy who works for the partisans behind enemy lines gathering information. I can't remember the name, can anyone out there recall it?

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How did you come across that movie? Russia isn't exactly famous for exporting movies (though I'm sure they make quite a few).

RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-15-2004, 01:51 AM
Salute

Black Hawk Down?????

You got to be kidding.

All those guys wailing away at each other at less than 50 yards... NOT.

I am a News Cameraman, and I have seen a firefight, albeit from the rear, but close enough, and one thing that I can tell you, is that no one is stupid enough to standup in the open the way those Somalis, and some Americans were doing in that movie. People poke their guns around corners, loose off a couple bursts and duck back into cover. If there are bullets flying around, for anyone who is present, there is an overwhelming urge to put any kind of cover between themselves and the bullets. Especially when it is very difficult to tell where the shots are coming from. In the city, you have all kinds of echoes and sound bounce, and that makes it very confusing. When you don't know whether you are exposing yourself or not to someone's line of fire, it makes for a lot of caution.

fulanito_chile
03-15-2004, 02:27 AM
Does anyone remember an american movie about a soviet tank and its crew in afgan.which defects i think??? i remember seeing it when i was quite young but i liked it a lot would like to find it again on D.V.D....

As for threads.. i was just a kid when it first came out you can buy it on www.play.com (http://www.play.com) boy when i was a kid i had a morbid fasination with nuclear war... even though i must have been 6 or 7 during Hot points in the 80's i was also so sure the birds were going to fly.. and used to draw pictures of mushrooms over cities all the time!! disturbed kid! lol

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Wannabe-Pilot
03-15-2004, 02:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fulanito_chile:
Does anyone remember an american movie about a soviet tank and its crew in afgan.which defects i think??? i remember seeing it when i was quite young but i liked it a lot would like to find it again on D.V.D....
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Yeah, I saw it, I think it was called Tank or something like that. It a piece of crap. It's not worth the time spent in front of the Tv screen, better to play FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Gwalker70
03-15-2004, 02:48 AM
my dad was on Hill 881 in vietnam he liked some of private ryan and he liked some of Black hawk. one thing he said in combat was with M16(5.56) somtimes you would hit the enemy even in a good center shot and he would still shoot at you are you were like WTF!!!! he said the round is sh-it after like 100 meters

JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF74BuzzsawXO:
Salute

Black Hawk Down?????

You got to be kidding.

All those guys wailing away at each other at less than 50 yards... NOT.

I am a News Cameraman, and I have seen a firefight, albeit from the rear, but close enough, and one thing that I can tell you, is that no one is stupid enough to standup in the open the way those Somalis, and some Americans were doing in that movie. People poke their guns around corners, loose off a couple bursts and duck back into cover. If there are bullets flying around, for anyone who is present, there is an overwhelming urge to put any kind of cover between themselves and the bullets. Especially when it is very difficult to tell where the shots are coming from. In the city, you have all kinds of echoes and sound bounce, and that makes it very confusing. When you don't know whether you are exposing yourself or not to someone's line of fire, it makes for a lot of caution.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What???

The Somalis weren't exactly well versed in small unit tactics, inter-locking fields of fire, as well as fire and maneuver tactics.


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03-15-2004, 03:05 AM
Movie:

Thin Red Line
Das Boot
Breaker Morant

Series:
Band of Brothers
Hornblower (despite using a fictional main character)

Please refrain from assertions that any one country was responsible for success in any single widespread conflict. It could be argued with some justification that given the right circumstances, without the US in the European theatre during WW2 most of Europe would be speaking Russian now. As it happens the US was involved, so we'll just have to deal with history the way it happened http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 03:08 AM
I sure wish the United States would step in here in California.



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patrat618
03-15-2004, 03:21 AM
IMO ww2 in europe was won by the russians, the u.s., brits and others helped, but it was mainly the russians who defeated hitler.

JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 03:22 AM
I like to think God led to the ultimate demise of the German War Machine.....he who creates the weather and all...

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norbertcolon
03-15-2004, 05:07 AM
Yep I remember Threads and yep at the time it was the scariest thing I had ever seen, I was in my teens at the time and felt I wouldn't live to see my twenties. And I live in Chesterfield which is only 10 miles from Sheffield.
Favourite war films, Private Ryan, We were soldiers, Dark Blue World, A Bridge To Far and recently saw the Lost Battalion which I thought was prety good.
And now folks don't take the p**s but I also really enjoyed Red Dawn, for those who havn't seen it its about a joint Soviet and Cuban invasion of the U.S and a bunch of High School Kids led by Patrick Swayze form a resistance group to fight them. Yeah its flag waving nonsense from the cold war but blimey was it entertaining nonsense, especially for a 15 year old schoolboy as I was at the time, having just seen Threads and wanting to get my own back on the Commies. LOL.

Anyone else remember it.

Huxley_S
03-15-2004, 05:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And now folks don't take the p**s but I also really enjoyed Red Dawn, for those who havn't seen it its about a joint Soviet and Cuban invasion of the U.S and a bunch of High School Kids led by Patrick Swayze form a resistance group to fight them. Yeah its flag waving nonsense from the cold war but blimey was it entertaining nonsense, especially for a 15 year old schoolboy as I was at the time, having just seen Threads and wanting to get my own back on the Commies. LOL.
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03-15-2004, 05:23 AM
1 WINTER WAR
2 CROSS OF IRON
3 DARK BLUE WORLD
4 SAVING prvt RAYAN

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Breeze147
03-15-2004, 06:33 AM
Platoon - I lived the opening scene in real life, where Charlie Sheen is peering out of the cargo aircraft that he arrived in country on. Did a good job of conveying the long periods of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror which is what war really is like.

Private Ryan - After watching the D-Day landing sequences, I just have to shake my head in complete admiration of the heroism of those men. Some hokey moments, like in the town when the wall falls down to reveal the German Command Staff just sitting there and everyone yelling at everyone else until Ted Danson's squad ends the discussion forthwith. Overall, a good portrayal of the emotions and the way the common everyday dogface talked and thought.

Band Of Brothers - Exhausted, starving, freezing and then every frickin' German in the world comes busting out of the Ardennes Forest. How did these guys hold it together?

Bridge On The River Kwai - Alec Guiness driving his men to keep them occupied and their mind from their misery day in and day out in the miserable jungles of Malaya, even if it meant cooperating with the hated Japs. The assault at the end and Guiness' reaction when the bridge goes down are some of the greatest moments in film history. And not a single F word!

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JG53Hunter
03-15-2004, 06:49 AM
The best war/anti-war films i ever saw were:
"The Bridge" (Die Brücke)
http://www.movbuy.com/Action--Adventure-Movies/The-Bridge-Die-Bruecke.asp
"The Bridge of Remhagen"
"Die Brücke von Arnheim" (A Bridge to far??)
naturaly "Das Boot" (I as a German have to luck that i can see the untranslated TV Version wich runs over 6 hours in 4(?) parts)
"Battle over Britain"
"Tora, Tora, Tora"
"Stalingrad"

plus some more i don't remember right now.

Huxley_S
03-15-2004, 06:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>naturaly "Das Boot" (I as a German have to luck that i can see the untranslated TV Version wich runs over 6 hours in 4(?) parts)
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We got this in the UK too, with subtitles.

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RocketDog
03-15-2004, 07:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wannabe-Pilot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fulanito_chile:
Does anyone remember an american movie about a soviet tank and its crew in afgan.which defects i think??? i remember seeing it when i was quite young but i liked it a lot would like to find it again on D.V.D....
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Yeah, I saw it, I think it was called Tank or something like that. It a piece of crap. It's not worth the time spent in front of the Tv screen, better to play FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You might be thinking of the 1988 movie, The Beast of War.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094716/

Actually, not a bad film and with a strong anti-war message, although it's a long time since I saw it.

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The_Red_Spoon
03-15-2004, 07:58 AM
I saw Threads as part of some sixth-form general studies thing in 1991; I ought to see it again, mainly because I wouldn't trust most of my trendy left-of-centre educators if you paid me too. Seriously, most kids end up being conned into thinking that there where won't be a world for them to grow up in (in 1991, I thought half of the world would be underwater by 2004...)

That said, there was nothing unreasonable abour Threads' central argument: a nuclear war would send civilisation-as-we-know-it back into medieval times, and our glorious leaders should be held in contempt for ever making it possibility.

My top 4 realistic war movies:

- Saving Private Ryan and the related Band of Brothers (I'm not too keen on the war drama stuff [i.e. most of SPR], but these two productions captured the intensity and chaos of actual combat in a way that makes most other war movies look positively quaint)

- Das Boot (it's a shame that Petersen went onto direct the abominable U-571 and Air Force One)

- Tora Tora Tora

dbuff
03-15-2004, 08:12 AM
Patton
12 o'clock High
Flying Tigers
Run Silent Run Deep

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geetarman
03-15-2004, 08:30 AM
Zulu! - my fave.

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03-15-2004, 08:32 AM
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Master.Mariner
03-15-2004, 08:50 AM
If you want to se a war movie a second time it´s certainly not realistic.Movies like; "A thin red line", " Gallipoli", "Das boot" and perhaps "Dark blue world" makes a honest attempt. Most Hollywood "entertainment war" mentioned in this thread falls into the propaganda category, with an agenda to justyify war and the own country´s actions and to demonize the enemy.Often rewriting history as it does so.

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FAFL_Aguirre
03-15-2004, 09:11 AM
DamienW I agree with you:
Das Boat
317 section: french indochina/vietnam war- small platoon cut off trying to make it back during the French defeat- no glory, no outstanding bravery- just guys trying to survive against the odds- black and white, camera mostly held on somebodies shoulder. interesting- gives an idea of what the US lads had to go through in Vietnam a few years later.

Who won the war? When u see the results of war am not sure anybody wins.

JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 09:28 AM
After watching the documentry on The Bridge Over River Kwai (the real one) I must say that the movie is one of the most unrealistic I have seen to date.

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Dunkelgrun
03-15-2004, 09:36 AM
Well I must be a one-off. Although in my teens/early twenties at the time and I too expected the bomb at any minute, I thought that 'Threads' was a complete load of garbage from beginning to end. I've never had any desire to see it again.
What sealed my impression was not the content but a minor detail that blew away any credibilty that the story had. At the end girl born after the bomb had dropped has grown up to about ten years old, society is still in ruins and people are still scavenging to survive. She is out hunting for food etc with a brand new Sainsburys carrier bag! It's good to know that the supermarkets will survive the bomb. Buy shares now! Just in case. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif
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As for best war films:

Das Boot (full-length, German with subtitles)
Gallipoli
Saving Private Ryan
Ice Cold in Alex
All Quiet on the Western Front
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and as a special mention, not technically a war film but does have a large section concerning a Lancaster crew, A Map of the Human Heart.

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NorrisMcWhirter
03-15-2004, 09:48 AM
Hi,

When I first saw the 'Brits who remember the 80s', I thought, 'I wonder if this has something to do with Threads?'

Weird, eh?

Regardless...Yes, I saw Threads and it chilled me especially as I don't live too far away from Sheffield and know the areas on the moors quite will. I was at a semi-rural school when it was on but, because there were 'military installations' near to the school, everyone knew that we would be in line for some extra special treatment should a nuclear exchange commence.

Still, probably better to be vapourised instantly in a nuclear attack than to suffer a long, drawn out death.


With respect to the most realistic film it's hard to say without being there. However, the first 30 mins of Saving Private Ryan were intense even if it descended into a marginal flag waving exercise afterwards.

A triumph of film making, though, is das Boot which has added emphasis as I went inside a recovered u boat (Wartime ships museum, Liverpool dock) about the same time as I last saw it.

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03-15-2004, 10:28 AM
Just wanted to add something about Enemy at the Gates, very good movie but come on, every Soviet soldier has an accent that is not Russian or something to that effect. I believe the majority of the accents were British(could be wrong don't know a lot of British), which IMO unbalances the whole movie. At least try to speak with a Russian accent, they are actors and actresses after all.

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03-15-2004, 10:32 AM
Das Boot
Memphis Bell
Tuskegee Airmen
Tora Tora Tora (lot better then that Pearl harbour movie)

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03-15-2004, 10:36 AM
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ThreeCrow
03-15-2004, 10:57 AM
"Threads" was indeed very chilling (and much, much better than "The Day After".

I agree wholeheartedly with almost all of the stated favorites, especially "Piece of Cake" and the 1968 BoB.

I would add a couple.

"Conspiracy", an HBO (from BBC I'm told?) film depicting the chilling events at Wansee in 1942 wherein Heydrich, Eichman etal delineate "the final solution". Many of the 14 or 15 folks in attendance were horrified. As the SS Colonel said to Heydrich, "I have the feeling that I 'evacuated' 30,000 people in Latvia. Were they 'evacuated? Sometimes it helps to know what words mean." As an odd aspect of the madness... Heydrich was an accomplished violinist, those who knew him say that his face was transformed when he played.

There was a PBS factual mini series about an Australian commando unit which sailed a captured Japanese fishing boat from Australia to an island near Singapore and then rubber boats to the harbor to mine ships there. I believe that the name of the boat was the "Krait" or "Kright"... something like that. I apologize that I do not remember the title, it was many years ago that I saw it. Do any here recall it?

Thank goodness "Pearl Harbor" ended before Ben Afflec flew the Enola Gay, broke the sound barrier and walked on the bloody moon. Was a huge piece of crap, a trite love story with P40s causing Japanese fighters to collide at an intersection... good grief.

Cheers

btw.. I forgot "Aces High" WW1.

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Udidtoo
03-15-2004, 11:24 AM
Conspiracy was indeed a good film, if not an actual War film at least war related.

The matter of fact, business as usual and sometimes lighthearted way that some of the charactors discuss and map out the extermination of an entire people is at once sickening and fascinating.

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One13
03-15-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wannabe-Pilot:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by One13:
One of the best war films I have ever seen is that Russian film called (I think) "Come and see". It is set in German occupied Ukraine and is a powerful and disturbing film.
There was also another excellent Russian film about a young boy who works for the partisans behind enemy lines gathering information. I can't remember the name, can anyone out there recall it?

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How did you come across that movie? Russia isn't exactly famous for exporting movies (though I'm sure they make quite a few).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I saw that movie on TV, there was a season of Russian films on BBC2 a few years ago. "Come and see" also had a limited cinima release. I have also seen several Russian films on video and DVD.

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Predator2811
03-15-2004, 11:53 AM
BLACK HAWK DOWN

I can't judge how realistic it actually was, but I think that most of other movies mentioned here weren't much more realistic http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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03-15-2004, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Arklight:
I like to think God led to the ultimate demise of the German War Machine.....he who creates the weather and all...

But that is a whole other argument! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Talking about God and the bomb...
I mentioned earlier about being petirified at mankind destroying itself. I even had visions about 2 or 3 mushroom clouds on the horizon of the city as a kid at night.
Anyway, a Christian guy at Church reckoned it wouldn`t happen, because God would stay Man`s hand from starting it off. Basically, God could NOT allow it to happen.

Yea, right... And my name`s Mickey Mouse, I thought...

20 years later, and we`re still here. The Communist state no more, actually giving up its system peacefully without a fit of nuclear kicking and screaming?

When you think about it and if you were there... its pretty amazing....

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Comptonb
03-15-2004, 12:44 PM
The New BoB movie? I hear Bruckheimer's making it a prequel to "Pearl Harbor," where Ben Affleck singlehandedly wins the air war. This will be followed by the third installment in the trilogy, in which Vin Diesel pilots the Enola Gay through waves of jet-powered IJN fighters.

Redtail1
03-15-2004, 12:52 PM
I'm never sure what my "top" war flic's are, but these definitely make the top 10 cut:

Napoleanic (someone asked..) without a doubt Master and Commander- O'Brien took most (all?) of his action sequences from RL accounts

WW1 Lost Battalion - much better than I thought and Galipoli- I read the Brit Commanders weren't as bad as portrayed...

WW2 When Trumpets Fade, Bridge Too Far and Das Boot (I thought Ryan was garbage)Thin Red Line was OK- the "poetry" voice overs bit hard though. Enemy at the Gates (though the book was better) Accent's didn't really bother me.

Vietnam Platoon and Appocalypse Now. (Dunno- I'm a big fan of Conrad's stories...)

Sorry, guess that's more than 4

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essemm
03-15-2004, 01:48 PM
Hey guys. Don't TOP GUN! Man...those Mig 28s were so cool!!

Oh, and also Iron Eagle. The realism in that is UNBELIEVABLE!!

Seriously, my vote goes to A Bridge Too Far. Not only realistic, but a well made and incredibly well acted movie.

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flyingskid2
03-15-2004, 02:09 PM
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571

Real war movies:
Thin Red Line
Full Metal Jacket
The Pianist


Just Bad:
Pearl Harbor

UncleVanya2001
03-15-2004, 02:13 PM
Platoon, Thin Red Line...

and my all-time favorite, though a fictional war (but realistic execution, I like to think) "Red Dawn."

The film "Dark Blue World" was very good. Great aerial photography, planes crashing into the ocean & smashing into the earth--but there just weren't enough flying scenes.

I'll think of more, I'm sure.

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huggy87
03-15-2004, 02:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised you would include Blackhawk Down. If you had read the book, the movie did a pretty good job of portraying it. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

dizeee
03-15-2004, 02:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF74BuzzsawXO:
Salute

Thin Red Line.

But even it isn't close of course.

Most modern ground combat takes place at much longer ranges than we see in movies.

Lots of times you never see much of your opponent. You are just returning fire at sound or flashes.

Plus of course, the biggest killer is artillery. No glamour in that.

You look at Saving Private Ryan, and all that combat is taking place at ranges which would be suicidal.

The last big scene is a joke. No decent use of cover, no use of suppressing fire by the Germans, no Artillery barrage beforehand, no use of the buildings to approach, no fire and movement, etc. etc.

Or that assault on the Radar station in the middle of the film. If the Tom Hanks character was a real Ranger, he'd never try something as stupid. That was straight banzai charge... and in reality, the German machine gun would have cut them all down in seconds.

Real Rangers would have placed weapons, and the Sniper much more carefully, infiltrated much closer, and likely made the assault in small groups of 2, with fire and movement. Or he would have bypassed it completely as his subordinate suggested and radioed in the position for artillery or air.

[This message was edited by RAF74BuzzsawXO on Sun March 14 2004 at 07:48 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thnx for writing that up. was about to write alsmost the same. many ppl regard spv as "very realistic". the actual combat scenes are more releated to 50´ies style indian´s vs combows movies tho. havnt seen a single squad based mg form the ss troopers. basic german ww2 infantry tactics evolved around the squad based automatic weapons, i.e. the mg34/42. asuming that ryan & co´s opponents in the final scene are from either lsah or dr, who have to be regarded as elite divisions in june44, the whole "lambs to the slaughter" concetp is just a classic hollywoodstyle shootermovie.
the movie has added a certain "something" tho, no doubt. it creates a rather new, almost morbid, feeling, that i heavnt experienced in a war movie yet. especialy the knifing scene and the scenes where the pows get shot. thisone is especialy hard to take for many americans.

JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised you would include Blackhawk Down. If you had read the book, the movie did a pretty good job of portraying it. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Amen.

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03-15-2004, 02:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dizeee:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF74BuzzsawXO:
Salute

Thin Red Line.

But even it isn't close of course.

Most modern ground combat takes place at much longer ranges than we see in movies.

Lots of times you never see much of your opponent. You are just returning fire at sound or flashes.

Plus of course, the biggest killer is artillery. No glamour in that.

You look at Saving Private Ryan, and all that combat is taking place at ranges which would be suicidal.

The last big scene is a joke. No decent use of cover, no use of suppressing fire by the Germans, no Artillery barrage beforehand, no use of the buildings to approach, no fire and movement, etc. etc.

Or that assault on the Radar station in the middle of the film. If the Tom Hanks character was a real Ranger, he'd never try something as stupid. That was straight banzai charge... and in reality, the German machine gun would have cut them all down in seconds.

Real Rangers would have placed weapons, and the Sniper much more carefully, infiltrated much closer, and likely made the assault in small groups of 2, with fire and movement. Or he would have bypassed it completely as his subordinate suggested and radioed in the position for artillery or air.

[This message was edited by RAF74BuzzsawXO on Sun March 14 2004 at 07:48 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thnx for writing that up. was about to write alsmost the same. many ppl regard spv as "very realistic". the actual combat scenes are more releated to 50´ies style indian´s vs combows movies tho. havnt seen a single squad based mg form the ss troopers. basic german ww2 infantry tactics evolved around the squad based automatic weapons, i.e. the mg34/42. asuming that ryan & co´s opponents in the final scene are from either lsah or dr, who have to be regarded as elite divisions in june44, the whole "lambs to the slaughter" concetp is just a classic hollywoodstyle shootermovie.
the movie has added a certain "something" tho, no doubt. it creates a rather new, almost morbid, feeling, that i heavnt experienced in a war movie yet. especialy the knifing scene and the scenes where the pows get shot. thisone is especialy hard to take for many americans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


1. You obviously don't know much about armed conflict.

2. You obviosuly don't know how the Ranger Batts. can and sometimes do operate.


Period.

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e2michaelb
03-15-2004, 02:40 PM
'any of you guys old enough to remember "Ballad of a Soldier" (Russian) and "Go Tell the Spartans"? The first is seen through the eyes of a young conscript on furlough; "Spartans" - with Burt Lancaster - was the first movie to show an American being defeated in Vietnam - it was painful realism and only lasted about 1-2 weeks in theaters.

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03-15-2004, 02:42 PM
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Spudkopf
03-15-2004, 02:43 PM
G'day all

I can't be limited to just four...

WWII films, in no particular order:
A bridge to far
The one that got away (a classic)
The Dam Busters
The Battle of Britain
Tora Tora Tora
The Bridge at Remagen (quite accurate actually)
Above us the waves
In which we serve
The Bridge (Die Bruecke)
Sink the Bismark
Das Boot
Enemy at the gates
Band of brothers
PT109
The Longet Day
Stalag 17 (a classic)
Stalingrad

On the lighter side Kelly Heros......


And the worst film award goes to, The Battle of the Bulge.

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purzel08
03-15-2004, 02:46 PM
I cant´t believe how many add "Saving Private Ryan" to their favorites list. This movie is typical hero bull**** made in Hollywood in 08/15 style: A handful of american "of course" slodiers who stand their heroic fight against a numerical superior enemy; although reality was
in most situations another one.
Just replace Tom Hanks by John Wayne and the germans by some Cheyenne-Indians and you got
a typical 60´s Western-Style movie.

Greetings...

JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by purzel08:
I cant´t believe how many add "Saving Private Ryan" to their favorites list. This movie is typical hero bull**** made in Hollywood in 08/15 style: A handful of american "of course" slodiers who stand their heroic fight against a numerical superior enemy; although reality was
in most situations another one.
Just replace Tom Hanks by John Wayne and the germans by some Cheyenne-Indians and you got
a typical 60´s Western-Style movie.

Greetings...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



You're right.

If it isn't TOTALLY realistic then it can't be interesting and entertaining.

If they made movies based completely on realism then you would get 2-3 hours of guys sitting around cleaning weapons, rucking, doing crap duty, and waiting....hence the "hurry up and wait" saying.

Gee, how fun. Where do I pay?

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dizeee
03-15-2004, 02:58 PM
lol arklight. sry that i stepped on your toes.
but i think its u who have no clue bout "armed conflicts"
can u pls come up with some points to support the realism claims made in the movie?
tell me something about "the way ranger batts fight"
are they some kind of superhumans?
pls explain teh moronic way the german panzergrenadier unit employed all of their assets, wich includes: a decent number of panzergrenadier squads(who prolly forgot theri saw´s back in the locker), quite a bunch of tiger tanks(lol), a tankhunter(yes, its a marder and no panther) and even a 2cm flak.

flyingskid2
03-15-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised you would include Blackhawk Down. If you had read the book, the movie did a pretty good job of portraying it. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the book is no better than the movie then. totally romanticized good vs evil depictions. they could not have made it worse if they put horns and tails on the somalians and halos on the americans.

mtowe
03-15-2004, 03:08 PM
Probably not a war movie as it was more of a character study that took place during the war, but I really enjoyed "Europa Europa". It's the story of a Polish child that is a Jew who lives through the war while hiding in the Hitler Youth.

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pudsterIV
03-15-2004, 03:19 PM
The most realistic? The six oclock news, graphic footage, heroes and villians, all the latest hardware. Who needs a movie when its happning every day. Seriously though i liked iron cross, beast of war and when trumpets fade for realistic gritty movies. Oh yeah and the classic all quiet on the western front too.

Spudkopf
03-15-2004, 03:50 PM
G'day again

For my Vietnam selections four is to many.....

The odd angry shot
Full Metal Jacket
Also rightly or wrongly I liked we were soldiers

Again on a lighter note M.A.S.H although set in Korea it was a true Anti-Nam movie/series.

Also would like to see the books "Chicken Hawk" and "Low Level Hell" made into accurate movies.

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JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by purzel08:
I cant´t believe how many add "Saving Private Ryan" to their favorites list. This movie is typical hero bull**** made in Hollywood in 08/15 style: A handful of american "of course" slodiers who stand their heroic fight against a numerical superior enemy; although reality was
in most situations another one.
Just replace Tom Hanks by John Wayne and the germans by some Cheyenne-Indians and you got
a typical 60´s Western-Style movie.

Greetings...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Let us begin with this post.


"Most situations".

Key word being most. The idea of the movie was to send a small unit out to find private Ryan. Do you really think the U.S. Military during a conflict such as WWII would task out a LARGE force to find one person? No.

On to the next post.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>lol arklight. sry that i stepped on your toes.
but i think its u who have no clue bout "armed conflicts"
can u pls come up with some points to support the realism claims made in the movie?
tell me something about "the way ranger batts fight"
are they some kind of superhumans?
pls explain teh moronic way the german panzergrenadier unit employed all of their assets, wich includes: a decent number of panzergrenadier squads(who prolly forgot theri saw´s back in the locker), quite a bunch of tiger tanks(lol), a tankhunter(yes, its a marder and no panther) and even a 2cm flak.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, realism.

The small unit has no time to fortify a location due to a lack of time, manpower, ammunition so they setup a "hasty" defense.

"..the moronic way the german Panzergrenadier Squads...."

Gee, not sure. Since all units are deployed the same way every time there must be a glaring error. What was I thinking??? LOL

Were the Germans sent through the town to "get Private Ryan"? Not that I know of, nor do you. Why did they send those units? Who knows, maybe they returned from a conflict and that is what they had...maybe they were heading to one. My guess is as good as yours. I'll have to watch "The true Story Behind Saving Private Ryan" on the History Channel next week.....oh wait, the whole situation was made up whereby negating any type of historical reference.

Next batter up:

"tell me something about "the way ranger batts fight"
are they some kind of superhumans?"

Superhuman? No. Better trained then the rest of the "legs", YEP!

Are you suggesting that a Ranger Team would run off and leave a few Airborne guys to fight it out alone with regards to the situation represented in the movie? LOLOLOLOLOL Heck, are you suggesting that a Ranger team would run off?? LOLOLOLOLOL x 2.

Rangers, being a premier light infantry force, are often outmanned and outgunned. They are a small unit with a high Optempo and are so vastly different then a standard "leg" unit that it would absolutely ludicrous to think otherwise. Ask the SEAL Team that got caught at that Panamanian airport a bunch of years back how Rangers act/react. I'm pretty sure they "worked" together for a short period in that conflict.

However, how Rangers operate today and how they operated in WWII may differ.

How were they during WWII? Beats me! I wasn't even born yet.

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JG27_Arklight
03-15-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised you would include Blackhawk Down. If you had read the book, the movie did a pretty good job of portraying it. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the book is no better than the movie then. totally romanticized good vs evil depictions. they could not have made it worse if they put horns and tails on the somalians and halos on the americans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


You have no idea what you are talking about whatsoever.

Did you even read the book?

Did you watch the interviews?

Did you do ANYTHING to form your opinion?


In the words of the host of one of my favorite shows:

"You are the weakest link. Goodbye"

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masamainio
03-15-2004, 04:09 PM
Realistic?

Nothing from Hollywood but these instead:

http://www.groupe-katz.com/cinema/images/soldat-affiche.jpg
The Unknown Soldier by Rauni Mollberg, 1985 Finland

http://classicvideo.com/pics/ivanschildhood.jpg
Ivanovo detstvo by Andrei Tarkovski, 1962 Soviet Union

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0767802470.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Das Boot by Wolfgang Petersen, 1982 Germany


http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00003M5FX.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
Cross of Iron by Sam Peckinpah, 1976 USA


These are not entertainment, they are REALISTIC and UGLY.

Captain_Avatar
03-15-2004, 04:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
Conspiracy was indeed a good film, if not an actual War film at least war related.

The matter of fact, business as usual and sometimes lighthearted way that some of the charactors discuss and map out the extermination of an entire people is at once sickening and fascinating.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I had the misfortune to see that movie right before bedtime. Couldn't sleep after seeing that.

fluke39
03-15-2004, 04:19 PM
Ah yes cross of iron t'was on film four the other night...

i really must read all of this thread (no pun intended) sometime - just to find out whos from near sheffield.
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skunkertx7
03-15-2004, 04:25 PM
Hi folks,
That "Battle of Britain" movie you are referring to is probably not going to get made. There are several factors that are preventing it from getting the greenlight.

By the way, I had the great fortune to participate in the production of "We Were Soldiers" and I remember that after the film's release, a poll was given to the Vietnam vets as to what was the most realistic Vietnam film they had ever seen.....you know what their answer was?

Forrest Gump. The Vietnam scenes were just like it was, supposedly.

By the way, "We Were Soldiers" was highly realistic....so whoever said it was romanticized and glorified.....go suck a spoon or something.

Monty_Thrud
03-15-2004, 04:29 PM
Ah yes masamainio...i have Cross of Iron in avi format...damn good film, felt sorry for that little Russian boy, good to see a film from the German side of the war.

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x__CRASH__x
03-15-2004, 04:53 PM
1. - Red Dawn!

2. - Top Gun

3. - Final Countdown

4. - Iron Eagle


That is the definative list. Now this thread can be closed.

Oh. I forgot to mention. Those of you who argue about America's involvement in the war, and whether or not it could have been done without the U.S.... Who gives a care? It's been over and done with for a few years. The U.S. was a part of the allied force. All participating countries had a hand in ending the conflict.

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Tvrdi
03-15-2004, 05:04 PM
Stalingrad (Germany)
Das bot (Germany)
Platoon (USA)


hollywood movies arent so ralistic in generally (big budgets for big realistic explosions and damages but story is real comedy ...) even Band of Brothers has some of that american (we were always the good guys) elements....

Tvrdi
03-15-2004, 05:06 PM
lo crash i saw right now u have Top gun on the list..common, how old are u? I know ur a patriotic man but common :-)))

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03-15-2004, 05:16 PM
Read the whole list. Then you can accurately judge the seriousness of the list.

And my age has nothing to do with my humor.

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03-15-2004, 05:22 PM
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Voskhod5
03-15-2004, 05:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wannabe-Pilot:
How did you come across that movie? Russia isn't exactly famous for exporting movies (though I'm sure they make quite a few).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Do a search on Amazon.com for "Come and See"...

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Tvrdi
03-15-2004, 05:23 PM
ok crash no prob :-)

ForkTailedDevil
03-15-2004, 06:17 PM
Boy I think I want to see that movie about Britain getting nuked. I saw Day After and it still is kinda chilling when you think about it. There is another one kinda like it were these the US gets nuked and these B-52's are on the way tp Russia but they decide to turn around at the last second can't think of the name.

What about, The Patriot and Braveheart?? Anybody like those? I still bothers me when they burn that church with everyone in it. I really liked Enemy at the Gates.

I didn't like Saving Private Ryan the P-51 was called the "tank buster" or something yeah right. I can't watch that scene were that guy gets stabbed when he is fighting the German one of the worst scenes in any movie.

Also no one mentioned Empire of the Sun. I thought that was a good show. The only thing remotely interesting about Pearl Harbor is when the Japanese first attack Pearl Harbor there were some good effects.

UncleVanya2001
03-15-2004, 06:24 PM
Only two for Red Dawn, so far? Come on guys. Pony up! That was a goldurn GREAT war movie! Russians & Cubans coming down during a dull schoolday & shooting your HIStory teacher? Then running off into the woods, livin offa the land & shooting russians whenever the whim strikes? Damn, if THAT wasn't one of your fantasies when you were in school, you were a goldurn GIRL!

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ThreeCrow
03-15-2004, 06:31 PM
I think that I strayed from the topic a bit. The movies I mentioned; "Conspiracy" and the Australian one that I cannot remember the yitle of were those that I presumed to be realistic.

But how would I know?

If I were to claim "Bridges of Toko Ri", I could claim some knowledge of that, albeit 16 years later, off a different coast, a different difficult war. Same ship though... the Hornet did both wars. I was not a Cougar of Panther pilot though... I was not a helo pilot like Mickey Rooney either. I, was a flight deck electrician, started S2Fs and helos. The "hero" died, and so did Mickey Rooney. The flight deck electrician is probably a great grandfather now as long as he remained alert enough not to walk into a whirling four meter blade during night ops. Actually, of the many sailors who did walk into a prop... almost none were reported as wounded.

I have many very long-time friends who served in the same war (my five year high school reunion could have been held in Saigon). There were some who were Navy as I was... and we can talk in depth. Some were Air Force and, as I was an airdale, we can tak just about planes. Others were groundpounders... Marines and Army. They and I do not talk much about operations... we talk of the best shore leave or RandR.

I don't think that it is so much a case of not being able to talk about the stress of what they saw. I think it is a case of their knowledge that they could never convey the feeling to anyone who had not done the same as they... or saw the same. From the viewpoint that I had, the sea was the sea and nobody was shooting at me. We were (the Hornet and Carrier Air Group) serving a support role; anti sub warfare, E1B (Willy Fudds) radar pickets and the SAR detachment. All of the 35 or so KIA on that West Pac deployment were from the Search and Rescue aircrew. Eleven SH3As worth. Yankee Station is the northern Tonkin Gulf and downed pilots wether Navy Spads from the attack carriers outbound of us or Air Force ground attack Thuds from Thailand or B52s from the Phillipines were a long way from friends. We did manage to get some home. Some of them were alive.

None of them were people I knew.

So...."Bridges of Toko Ri", my vote for most real (to me).

My apologies for wandering.

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03-15-2004, 06:42 PM
Band Of Brothers
We Were Soldiers
Saving Private Ryan

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03-15-2004, 06:55 PM
To everyone who included Iron Eagle : the "best" of the series was Iron Eagle 3 (was it?). The one where Chappie (Louis Gossett Jr.) put together a group of old fighter jocks (international, no less) and the German flew the 109, the Japanese the Zero, the Brit flew the Spit, etc. to go after drug dealers, LOL ! Someone should make a mission of that in the FMB. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EPP-Gibbs
03-15-2004, 06:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand all this criticism of Saving Private Ryan on the basis mentioned above.

The film wasn't about the D-day landings, or who did what, but a personal story of a specific unit, with a specific job to do. The setting just happened to be Normandy 1944. One American platoon, with one mission. Could just as easily have been a British or Canadian unit. The focus is on the American beach simply because....they were an American unit! The film wasn't about the wider conflict at all....it was about.....er...saving private Ryan. It was a film on a very human level, focussing on the individual characters themselves, not about which army was doing what to whom.

IMO those that criticise it as above are missing the point of the film altogether. Anti-war...about the value of life. Not about who's armies won what.

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ThreeCrow
03-15-2004, 06:59 PM
The "dawn" movie where the B52 turns around was called "Dawns Early Light" (maybe). Aside from "Red Dawn", which was entertaining but never realistic, there was "Dawn Patrol" with Errol Flynn and David Niven (I am pretty sure that HE won the war),

All movies, someone told me, are based on but seven plot outlines fully developed by Shakespear.

War on the other hand, is just people dying.

Even without having a loving relationship with:

His mother

The girl backhome

The Base Commanders wife

His dead buddy's widow

The squadron mascot


They just die.

Cheers

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buz13
03-15-2004, 07:04 PM
Stalingrad, Das Boot, The Winter War, Come and See, Battle of Britian, Paths or Glory, All Quiet on the Western Front, Tora Tora Tora, The Dam Busters, Europa, Soilder of Orange....
take your pick.

EPP-Gibbs
03-15-2004, 07:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Re: Saving Private Ryan

I can't watch that scene were that guy gets stabbed when he is fighting the German one of the worst scenes in any movie.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I found that disturbing too, but then again, I imagine that fighting for your life in hand to hand combat would be pretty brutal. In that respect, I suspect it was fairly realistic.

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Charlie901
03-15-2004, 07:13 PM
"Zulu Dawn", cause something about having to fight it out to the last man really amazes me.

Besides it was a pretty good movie when it came out although it wasn't exactly historically correct. And Yes I am an American http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

EPP-Gibbs
03-15-2004, 07:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>naturaly "Das Boot" (I as a German have to luck that i can see the untranslated TV Version wich runs over 6 hours in 4(?) parts)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We got this in the UK too, with subtitles.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've got the director' cut on DVD (in UK), and I like to watch it in German with subtitles. You get much more of the atmosphere like that rather than dubbed English. Fantastic film.

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One13
03-15-2004, 09:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by buz13:
Stalingrad, Das Boot, The Winter War, Come and See, Battle of Britian, Paths or Glory, All Quiet on the Western Front, Tora Tora Tora, The Dam Busters, Europa, Soilder of Orange....
take your pick.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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At last someone else who recomends "Come and See". Has no one else seen this movie? This forum is supposed to be about an eastern front simulation and "Come and See" is one of the best movies about that conflict.

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03-16-2004, 01:23 AM
Only subtitles.

Nothing is more stupid than dubbed films.

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RAF74_Buzzsaw
03-16-2004, 01:53 AM
Salute

Another thing about 'Saving Private Ryan' which is totally bogus, is that 1st SS Liebstandarte was nowhere near the American Front at that point. Neither was 2nd SS Das Reich. The only SS Division which was near the American Beachheads was the 17th Panzergrenadier division, which was not equipped with any tanks, let alone any Tigers.

Here are the German positions prior to D-Day:

http://www.canadahistory.com/sections/conflict/confwwiiddaymapsgerman-positions.htm

Here are the Allied Landings and the German moves after D-Day up to June 12th.

http://www.military.com/pics/dday_6_12jun.jpg

You can see that all the SS Panzer Divisions, with the exception of the 17th PzGrn are facing the British.

It was Montgomery's plan, as commander of the Invasion, and all the ground forces, to pin down the Germans on the Allied Left flank, while taking Cherbourg with the U.S. forces, and then after that was secured, wheeling left with the Americans, as is noted in the planning map issued prior to the campaign:

http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/normandy/normmaps/c10p154r.jpg

The actual campaign followed this outline quite closely, although it took much more time.

Even at the St Lo Breakout attack, in late July, most of the German armour was still facing the British.

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Tully__
03-16-2004, 02:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pudsterIV:
The most realistic? The six oclock news, graphic footage, heroes and villians, all the latest hardware. Who needs a movie when its happning every day. Seriously though i liked iron cross, beast of war and when trumpets fade for realistic gritty movies. Oh yeah and the classic all quiet on the western front too.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your news service must be better than mine. We get an overdramatised, disrespectful, partisan display that pays little more than lip service to "objective reporting", meanwhile catering to lowest common denominator interests in a poorly disguised attempt to grab the major rating share. Last place I'd look for realism, the old "Commando" series war comics were better.

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arcadeace
03-16-2004, 03:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Your news service must be better than mine. We get an overdramatised, disrespectful, partisan display that pays little more than lip service to "objective reporting", meanwhile catering to lowest common denominator interests in a poorly disguised attempt to grab the major rating share. Last place I'd look for realism, the old "Commando" series war comics were better.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
03-16-2004, 03:16 AM
Stalingrad
Das Boot
Dark Blue World (but don't like those Hispano 109's) / not realy a war movie but verry good
Tora Tora Tora
Platoon

PikeBishop
03-16-2004, 03:31 AM
Too Late the Hero, with Michael Caine (1971)???

RedMelody
03-16-2004, 03:40 AM
Das Boot;
Black Hawk Down;
Saving Private Ryan;
Full Metal Jacket;
Platoon.

bazzaah2
03-16-2004, 04:15 AM
Aces High shows the futility and waste of war very well.

Else, Cross of Iron, Das Boot, BoB.

Threads was very disturbing- certainly got me thinking about the stupidity of the COld War and arms race.

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Breeze147
03-16-2004, 06:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand all this criticism of Saving Private Ryan on the basis mentioned above.

The film wasn't about the D-day landings, or who did what, but a personal story of a specific unit, with a specific job to do. The setting just happened to be Normandy 1944. One American platoon, with one mission. Could just as easily have been a British or Canadian unit. The focus is on the American beach simply because....they were an American unit! The film wasn't about the wider conflict at all....it was about.....er...saving private Ryan. It was a film on a very human level, focussing on the individual characters themselves, not about which army was doing what to whom.

IMO those that criticise it as above are missing the point of the film altogether. Anti-war...about the value of life. Not about who's armies won what.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bravo! At last someone who truly gets it. This film and the others are dramas. They are about the interactions of the characters. They are about the actions of one group of men under a specified set of circumstances. The historical sequences are there to set the tone and should be praised for the depth of immersion they provided and not to be nitpicked apart for every last detail. How can someone watch the scene of Omaha Beach and fighting to the top of the ridge and get pissed off because the German units were wearing the wrong shoulder patch? Or somebody having a weapon that wasn't issued to that particular unit? That is sheer stupidity and if you are that much of stickler for detail in absoutely everything then I feel sorry for you because you are missing a whole lot in life. Enjoy the drama, enjoy the craft of movie making, immerse yourself in the portrayal of the characters. SPR was a fantastic movie.

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AlGroover
03-16-2004, 07:03 AM
What, no votes for the "Blue Max"? The flight sequences are downright scary when you consider how much had to be done for real in flimsy WW1 replicas. Soundtrack is spoiled by stupid 'about to crash' effect.
In the same vein there's a movie from the 30's called "Lost squadron". Dreadful movie. Awesome flying - done for real.

_Bootlegger_
03-16-2004, 07:08 AM
"Das Boot"
"Gallipoli"
"Zulu"
"All quiet on the Western front" (1979)

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24 hours in a day.
Coincidence...I think not !!!

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03-16-2004, 07:21 AM
Edit: No politics http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

[This message was edited by Tully__ on Tue March 16 2004 at 07:15 AM.]

Helonwhls87
03-16-2004, 07:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Only two for Red Dawn, so far? Come on guys. Pony up! That was a goldurn GREAT war movie! Russians & Cubans coming down during a dull schoolday & shooting your HIStory teacher? Then running off into the woods, livin offa the land & shooting russians whenever the whim strikes? Damn, if THAT wasn't one of your fantasies when you were in school, you were a goldurn GIRL!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got that right I used to daydream about that scenario on the bus to school sometimes.

WOLVERINES!!


1. Full Medal Jacket
2. Saving Private Ryan
3. Blackhawk Down
4. Longest Day

anybody ever seen Bat21 , Flight of the Entruder? Probably not the most realistic vietnam movies but entertaining none the less.

dizeee
03-16-2004, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Breeze147:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP-Gibbs:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand all this criticism of Saving Private Ryan on the basis mentioned above.

The film wasn't about the D-day landings, or who did what, but a personal story of a specific unit, with a specific job to do. The setting just happened to be Normandy 1944. One American platoon, with one mission. Could just as easily have been a British or Canadian unit. The focus is on the American beach simply because....they were an American unit! The film wasn't about the wider conflict at all....it was about.....er...saving private Ryan. It was a film on a very human level, focussing on the individual characters themselves, not about which army was doing what to whom.

IMO those that criticise it as above are missing the point of the film altogether. Anti-war...about the value of life. Not about who's armies won what.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bravo! At last someone who truly gets it. This film and the others are dramas. They are about the interactions of the characters. They are about the actions of one group of men under a specified set of circumstances. The historical sequences are there to set the tone and should be praised for the depth of immersion they provided and not to be nitpicked apart for every last detail. How can someone watch the scene of Omaha Beach and fighting to the top of the ridge and get pissed off because the German units were wearing the wrong shoulder patch? Or somebody having a weapon that wasn't issued to that particular unit? That is sheer stupidity and if you are that much of stickler for detail in absoutely everything then I feel sorry for you because you are missing a whole lot in life. Enjoy the drama, enjoy the craft of movie making, immerse yourself in the portrayal of the characters. SPR was a fantastic movie.

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[This message was edited by Tully__ on Tue March 16 2004 at 06:06 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

top 4 realistic military movies? &lt;--- that is teh titel of this thread afaik. at least it was lastime i checked. ppl are commenting the realism of movies. its a simforum after all.

yes i like spr too. as i said, it adds something to warmovies that had been missing from most warmovies. i remember a tv rport about the movie, where vets where asked to comment spr. most said it was the closest to the real deal yet on many aspects.
yes im thankfull that america did what they did in ww2.
but, pls dont go bananas when ppl are commenting a lack of realism. two of the 4 major battlescens are horribly made up, and unrealistic(yes sry it is like that), to create certain sitiuations, wich the director of the movie wanted to portray. there is nothing bad about it, but in this regard it is just another war/shooting movie.
compare it to platoon or forrest gump. the actual fighting scenes in both movies offer much more realism.

Breeze147
03-16-2004, 08:07 AM
Well, I guess a mod with a cooler head prevailed and deleted the 2nd paragraph of my rant. So be it. Yes the thread is intended to name the 4 most "Realistic" war films and Platoon and Forrest Gump are more realistic. I experienced in RL a few of the things in those movies. I just got tired of the bashing of SPR because of the lack of realism and the anti-Americanism expressed here.

Okay, I amend my statement to say Best Drama That I Have Personlly Seen That To Me Conveyed The Feeling Of Being In WWII - Saving Private Ryan.

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ThreeCrow
03-16-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Helonwhls87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Only two for Red Dawn, so far? Come on guys. Pony up! That was a goldurn GREAT war movie! Russians & Cubans coming down during a dull schoolday & shooting your HIStory teacher? Then running off into the woods, livin offa the land & shooting russians whenever the whim strikes? Damn, if THAT wasn't one of your fantasies when you were in school, you were a goldurn GIRL!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got that right I used to daydream about that scenario on the bus to school sometimes.



WOLVERINES!!


1. Full Medal Jacket
2. Saving Private Ryan
3. Blackhawk Down
4. Longest Day

anybody ever seen Bat21 , Flight of the Entruder? Probably not the most realistic vietnam movies but entertaining none the less.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


There must have been others who knew this movie also. I seem to recall that the effort to capture saddam was called "Operation Red Dawn" and that "Wolverines" were also mentioned in some connection to that.

But my memory is a bit cloudy sometimes.

Cheers

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Isatheprophet
03-16-2004, 10:02 AM
ForkTailedDevil

The british in the patriot did not burn down churches historically, acutually it was the americans who did.

NegativeGee
03-16-2004, 10:27 AM
Cool thread.... I'm glad there are at least some of us who appreciate The Bridge at Remagen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Well, most of them have already been done, so a couple more unusual ones:

The Hill: Sean Connery and others in a WW2 story dealing with how one side treated its own Soldiers who had "commited crimes". Worth watching for the opening shot alone.

Catch 22: convoluted? sure! brilliant satire? definately! Despite all the gory war films I've watched, this one still has the scene that turns my stomach the most (poor Snowden).

The Charge of the Light Brigade: carries a strong message about war in general.


One last point, I noticed quite a few people who were very keen on the Directors cut of Das Boot. While being a great for the remastering, I was more than a bit put of by the changes to the subtitle dialog compared to the original version. They were, IMHO, unnecessary and I prefer my old VHS version.....

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03-16-2004, 10:28 AM
We weren't Americans just yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The Patriot is one heck of an innacurate film.

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huggy87
03-16-2004, 12:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
Fictionalized, romanticized, totally cheesy war movies:
Black Hawk Down
We Were Soldiers
U-571
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised you would include Blackhawk Down. If you had read the book, the movie did a pretty good job of portraying it. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

the book is no better than the movie then. totally romanticized good vs evil depictions. they could not have made it worse if they put horns and tails on the somalians and halos on the americans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I'm pretty sure they were Neo-nazi Somalis. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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fulanito_chile
03-16-2004, 12:50 PM
i watched a DOCU/MOVIE about the memphis belle i guess it was done just after the war was really good.. i watched it alot as a kid. and it was all in Colour!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif i don't know if they put the colour after? but it was good

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

fulanito_chile
03-16-2004, 12:50 PM
i watched a DOCU/MOVIE about the memphis belle i guess it was done just after the war was really good.. i watched it alot as a kid. and it was all in Colour!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif i don't know if they put the colour after? but it was good

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

fulanito_chile
03-16-2004, 12:50 PM
i watched a DOCU/MOVIE about the memphis belle i guess it was done just after the war was really good.. i watched it alot as a kid. and it was all in Colour!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif i don't know if they put the colour after? but it was good

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...

Markku38
03-16-2004, 01:49 PM
1. Tuntematon Sotilas ( Unknown soldier )
2. Platoon
3. Das Boot
4. Full Metal Jacket

And ofcourse there are many many good warmovies...

JV44Rall
03-16-2004, 04:14 PM
As someone who has very thankfully never seen war first hand, here are my 4 most realistic:

Band of Brothers
SPR
Dark Blue World
A Midnight Clear

A Midnight Clear is kind of obscure. Starred a young Gary Sunise and even younger Ethan Hawke as an overwhelmed and underexperienced platoon leader just trying to do what was he thought best in the Ardennes immediately before and during the Battle of the Bulge.

Snow_Wolf_
03-16-2004, 04:57 PM
Anyone heard of the movie Operation Crossbow
I heard it quite good but just can't find a copy of it

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MB_Avro
03-16-2004, 05:11 PM
I am a Brit and I watched the Patriot film...it was a film about the American war of Independance.
I have no problem with that but the scene where American prisoners were burned alive never existed. This is not my opinion but a historical fact.Why was this scene included??

If a British film company had included a scene whee the 'evil Americans' had burned alive British prisoners there would have been a media outcry.

A confused
MB_Avro

Mispunt
03-16-2004, 05:13 PM
I'm no expert but:
#1 Saving Private Ryan (as a European I thought the film was not twisting anything in any way, it was about a single squad and all sentiments displayed where completely justifyable)
#2 Stalingrad

And if I may ad a book to this:
The Forgotten Soldier by Guy Sajer

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BM357_Raven
03-16-2004, 05:21 PM
You know I missed it at the theatre.. I was walking through best buy and saw this three CD pack with this glistening gold package for WindTalkers...

I'm reading the back and front and it's talking about how it's John Woo's best film ever... And I'm like really? Wow! and I have no idea who the guy is, but I see this picture of a hellcat coming in for strafing or bombing run and think to myself, that alone will make it worth it..

So I buy it for some ridiculous price and take it home and show my wife with the ole "Guess what I got you" bit.. And I show it to her and she's mildly unenthusiastic and asking me if I bought it--so I just tell her the truth that I found it lying on the ground.. She doesnt believe me..

Anyhow, I tell her how it's John Woo's best war picture-ever, and how the guy from the Shasta County Tribune gave it 7 thumbs up and read her a quote by another critic who said "John Woo....'s....film....should.....be....seen..."

so now I've somehow managed to talk her into watching it with me. And I get her candy and start acting like a fun loving husband because I'm getting what I want...

Lemme see if I can wrap this piece of garbage up for you in a nutshell. It's like ConAir meets Leaving Los Vegas meets Captain Corelli's Mandolin. I think the series the A-Team actually had more realistic gun fights... Did the A-Team have gun fights or did they just wrestle? Can't remember...Anyhow, so halfway through it my wifes now doing house cleaning, cleaning the grout in the bathroom while talking to her sister on the phone and I'm alone, waiting for the movie to pick up or get good.. And I'm afraid to take my eyes of the screen in the event I might miss an airplane.

Cage is drunk again and in a graveyard and struggling with some internal "I'm a goodguy badguy with a drinking problem and a Native American I might have to kill any minute lest he should fall into Japanese hands syndrome" while Christain Slater and his tongue walker are trying to work on this ditty (the same one they keep trying to work on through the whole flick--he's got a kazoo and the native american has a flute) but they just cant seem to make music togher.. It just isnt working....out....and...they..keep trying,....to torture me more.... and trying to figure each other out--it's almost as if...they come from too different backgrounds or something and cant relate..go figure... and no-one can figure out nicholas cage, but they all seem to pitty him accept for me.. I'm thinking, Cage aside from the movie where you played a drunk, your best picture was probably Valley Girl.. Oh, and what's worse, is for some reason my wife has a thing for Nicholas Cage, but she's so bored, she's in the bathroom cleaning the grout!

The movie goes on.... See Nicholas Cage is dealing with pain of...well it doesnt matter--but the guys all mixed up inside, and every 5th seen he says how he's the "Best Damn Marine the Army's got.." Cage was drunk though most of the dialogue....

And they are walking along this trail and Japanese soldiers are constantly popping out of the brush on this trail and they're mowing these Japanese down.. Actually, I think they had one very low paid stunt actor who played all of the Japanese getting shot.. Must have had something written in his contract that he refused to fall more than 3 feet and probably they figure that with five or six shots of this guy falling to the left and right, they would have all the need. So for the one third of the movie, you see Japanese popping out of the bush and instantly getting shot and falling to the left, and for the next third of the movie he would fall to the right, and then for the climax -- the final third-- they mixed it up for you so you never know if the guy was gonna fall to the left or the right.


Finally, the credits are rolling along the screen and I'm stunned. Somehow marketing for the masses has managed to play upon my weak mind and pry $30 bucks for three pieces of plastic in a handsome cardboard carrying case. Not to mention the hours that I will never reclaim from my life. Further, it's just another chance for my wife to use in an argument about how much smarter she is than me.. I still havent bothered to see what's on the other two discs.. I finally gave the handsome three disc collection to this guy I didnt know real well..

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BM357_Raven
03-16-2004, 05:38 PM
Gosh could you imagine? A whole disk on the making of Wind Talkers with special behind the scenes footage of the special effects guy and the director yelling "Action" and the guy falling to the left and the director yelling "cut!"

The last disk, I bet had a commentary with Nicholas Cage and John Woo.. Could that have been more interesting? I cant imagine.. Anyhow thanks, and I am deeply sorry if you saw it and loved it..

Disclaimer: I am not a critic, but man did Windtalkers suck.

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huggy87
03-16-2004, 06:05 PM
Raven,
Are you from Northern California (Shasta County Tribune)?

ThreeCrow
03-16-2004, 07:10 PM
I have not seen "Windtalkers" but, reading the above review, it occured to me that it would have been a better movie if the script had been written by a Navajo, from the perspective of a Navajo, and directed by a Navajo and starring a Navajo.

Cheers

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ThreeCrow
03-16-2004, 07:12 PM
By the way.... the review was very entertaining. I feel the same way about "Pearl Harbor".

Cheers

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03-17-2004, 06:23 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif I helped make Windtalkers.

Helped make Pearl Harbor too. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif



ok, honestly, I didn't do much. Helped some press out. Answered some questions. I was more there to meet the stars and eat their food! lol

Jurasic Park III!! Now that movie I shot an entire day of footage for! Remember when the Navy rescues the people off the island in the helicoper? Well, I played the Crew Chief for the internal shots. Took 15 hours to shoot that puppy.

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Zyzbot
03-17-2004, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MB_Avro:
I am a Brit and I watched the Patriot film...it was a film about the American war of Independance.
I have no problem with that but the scene where American prisoners were burned alive never existed. This is not my opinion but a historical fact.Why was this scene included??

If a British film company had included a scene whee the 'evil Americans' had burned alive British prisoners there would have been a media outcry.

A confused
MB_Avro<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Don't be so sure...people can be brutal in war.

Here is a copy of a document from that war from an eyewitness to the burning of wounded:

"Here's just one newspaper account:

November 3, 1778

The Pennsylvania Packet

WILLIAM McMICHAEL of the Northern Liberties, of the city of Philadelphia,
caulker, on his solemn oath, deposeth and saith, that he was in the service
as a volunteer in the militia of this State, under the command of Brigadier
General Lacey, on or about the first day of May last, when the British troops
attacked the said General camp; and that after some contest, the said General
lacey was obliged to retire, leaving many of his wounded men on the field of
action. That, having retired some small distance, he this deponent saw the
enemy carrying straw to the places where the wounded were left, and did
verily believe they intended to have comforted them therewith: But that
before he had proceeded more than four hundred yards from where the wounded
lay, he saw the straw in flames. And farther the deponent saith, that on the
same day he ped over the same ground, in company with several other
persons, and saw the bones of the bodies lying among the ashes of the straw,
together with some remains of accoutrements. The deponent further saith, that
he heard two privates who were taken the day aforesaid, say, that the British
troops were ordered not to give any quarter, and to take no prisoners, and
that they were threatened by their officers with having no allowance of rum
if they did. "

Gershy
03-17-2004, 07:35 AM
The German movie Stalingrad is a must-see!!! Best WW2 movie I've ever seen.

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CRSutton
03-17-2004, 07:53 AM
I am surprised that nobody has mentioned Pontecorvo's masterpiece "Battle of Algiers" Perhaps only because it has just been remastered and re-released in the US after manys year.

You would all do well to watch it. With the events in Iraq and Spain fresh in our minds, there are lessons to be learnt here.

Udidtoo
03-17-2004, 08:22 AM
Raven I feel that you have underestimated the level of realism in Windtalkers. Case in point.

As an experiment I took my late Father-in-laws .45 Colt to the grocery store and when the crowd was nice and compacted at the checkout, I began to wave it about and gibber in my best Nick Cage imatation, complete with that smouldering mixture of thinly veiled menace lying just below the surface and where am I and how the hell did I get here look. (Thats probably what your wife loves about him, I know mine does.)

Anyway, 13 people dropped to the floor and 6 of those shat their pants so you can imagine how many Japanese soldiers would have gone down with a marksmen like Cage running the trigger.

Man, if that was Woo's best I would hate to see his mediocre stuff. I was very disappointed in part because here in Arizona I am lucky to know a few Navajo. The ones I know personally who saw this ....ahem, film were not amused.

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B_96B
03-22-2004, 08:00 PM
A couple that emphasize the teamwork of small units (squads/sections) come to mind: A Long Day's Dying, with David Hemmings, about three Brit Paras on a patrol behind German lines in WWII; and When Trumpets Fade, with a no-name cast, about Americans suffering pressure just prior to the Battle of the Bulge. Both are very realistic and dwell on interpersonal functionality.

Burnin_777_AVG
03-23-2004, 12:32 AM
Hey guys,

This thread has kept me from sleeping. Interesting lists. Why haven't any of my American brothers listed any American Civil War movies? Glory, Gettysburg, and Gods and Generals. You guys want realistic and historically accurate war movies these are it.

On the fun side: Red Dawn, albiet total propaganda, was awesome! The Soviets invade the U.S. with Cuban and Nicaraguan allies. They nuke Omaha, St. Louis, D.C. and come up through Mexico and through Alaska only to be gummed up by the Wolverines! Too awesome! Ok I was like 12 when it came out, but what fun. BTW it really made an attempt to show Soviet equipment. ZSU-23's, Yak-38 fighters and even a Hind! Obviously they were mock ups of some type, but was cool to see them. I gotta get it on DVD and relive my teen-age years.

Also, the mission to get Saddam was Operation Red Dawn. Task Force Colorado was tasked with raiding Objectives Wolverine 1 and 2. Obviously the U.S. Army loves the movie too.

Another note: The Director of Red Dawn is an un-abashed Conservative and says Liberal Hollywood has kept him from making more good movies.

BV

P.S. Windtalkers sucked! Best part of the movie was when annoying Christian Slater gets his head chopped off by a Samurai Sword. Also, notice how the scenery changed from lush Saipan (tropical set) to Victorville, CA in the Mohave Desert.

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dbuff
05-05-2004, 06:12 AM
Gershy -
Took you recommendation and rented

STALINGRAD

I agree , most gritty war movie Ive ever seen.

For those who havent seen.
It is German made movie from 1993 about german troops in Stalingrad. IMHO, makes Saving Private Ryan look very "Hollywood".

Unfortuneatly I dont speak german and had to use subtitles first time view then none for second view of film - even better.
Not glamerous of war.Worth watching.....

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CowboyTodd41
05-05-2004, 06:49 AM
I looked up Threads on the IMDB and it reminded me of this movie called The Day After that was here in the states, I was a little to young to see it on TV but what makes it crazy is that it was filmed in my town in Kansas! One of my friends' mom was an extra in it. I have friends who have seen it and say that it's really creepy watching the town you grew up in turned into a giant refugee after Kansas City gets nuked.

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Bearcat99
05-05-2004, 07:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CowboyTodd41:
I looked up Threads on the IMDB and it reminded me of this movie called The Day After that was here in the states, I was a little to young to see it on TV but what makes it crazy is that it was filmed in my town in Kansas! One of my friends' mom was an extra in it. I have friends who have seen it and say that it's really creepy watching the town you grew up in turned into a giant refugee after Kansas City gets nuked.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I adctually have the original tape (Of the Day After)I recorded when it came out complete with comercials... That was like a modern day War of the Worlds.

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dadada1
05-05-2004, 10:14 AM
Has anyone seen the 1985 film, "Come and See". This has to be one of the most harrowing accounts of how the Nazi's went from village to village in Russia carrying out it's scorched earth policy? Has to be one of the most horrific films.

purzel08
05-05-2004, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCHADEN:
I agree with the remark about realism in Private Ryan - I'd have mortared the **** out the MG position for 30 minutes then assaulted from the flank under smoke, doubt if anyone would have been left by then but no one does hey diddle-diddle straight up the middle anymore...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly...It seems none of those directors ever
got a military education. But there´s one scene in Saving Private Ryan that impressed me: Two Soldiers try to fire but both have no ammo left and throw their helmets at each other. This scene really shows the grimness of close combat. My favourite movie is "Das Boot".

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NorrisMcWhirter
05-05-2004, 11:07 AM
For non-realistic:

Where Eagles Dare.


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Mikester2112
05-05-2004, 11:38 AM
Interesting thread!

Some of my faves:

Band of Brothers
Blackhawk Down
We Were Soldiers
Mister Roberts
Das Boot

Disappointed with "Enemy at the Gates", first 15 minutes were cool and then they decided to leave out most of the compelling parts of the book, no love story needed, thanks.

Also IRT SPR, it is true that 17th SS was the only SS armored unit in the area, however they did have armor, from Army archives:

"An attack by the 506th Parachute Infantry was scheduled for the morning of 13 June, to deepen the defensive base around Carentan. Before the attack could get well under way a strong enemy counterattack, supported by armor, struck along both the Carentan-Baupte and Carentan-Periers roads (Map No. 19 ). Included in the German forces were elements of the 37th and 38th Panzer Grenadier Regiments and the 17th Tank Battalion, all from the 17th SS-Panzer Grenadier (Goetz von Berlichgen) Division, and also remnants of the 6th Parachute Regiment. The attack was obviously directed at the recapture of Carentan, and it drove to within 500 yards of the edge of the city. The 2d Battalion, 502d Parachute Infantry, moved down to the 506th Parachute Infantry's right flank and helped to regain some of the lost ground. But the attack threatened the junction of the V and VII Corps beachheads so seriously that First Army decided to send armor to repel it. Not until this armor arrived was the German threat eliminated and the link between the two corps firmly secured."

I've done some research on this particular action but specifics are hard to come by. The armor mentioned was most likely Pz IV's from the organic tank battalion as well as assault guns, either StuG III's or JgPz IV's. Independent StuG battalions were sometimes paired up with FJ units so one of these could have been involved as well. The assertion that there were no Tigers in the area is correct though.

HANS-57
05-05-2004, 01:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by dandruff_:
"Stalingrad"
"Das Boot"

and of course: "U-571" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
In fact, Bon Jovi actually increased the quality of the film by acting in it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that! Bon Jovi is so under rated! JK,

Stalingrad is my personal favorate. Das Boot is a close second, but only because the scale of the story of Stalingrad is so huge.

I was in the Military so I have a little understanding of what it must have been like, but of course I have not experienced anything so terrible as the largest and most deadly battle in the history or.

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Farbe_und_Bunt
05-05-2004, 01:26 PM
"Stalingrad".

"Das Boot" has some moviemistakes, but beneeth most hollywood fantasie movies it looks way good. Not only the specialeffects make a good movie.

I like the old black&white movies too.
For Example: "Die Brücke" is serious. Not bad are "08/15" and the "Die Abenteuer des Werner Holdt" movie. I think, the the old DDR and soviet movies are interesting to watch too, though you get a clear policical message in most cases. But that part is mostly in hollywood movies too.

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Edit: The key to a good movie often could be showing at least a bit of both sides!
(Happy-end-love-storries and similar things (SPR-Story) are mostly not placed well in this kind of movies.)

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BaylorMax
05-05-2004, 05:18 PM
Anyone remember Sergei Eisenstadt's (Sp?) Alexander Nevsky? Great movie about the defeat of the Teutonic Knights at the battle of the Masurian Lakes during the Middle Ages.

Also the New Centurians about French Legionaires in Vietnam and Algeria by Jean Larteguy if my memory is correct.

Finally, The Sunshine Soldiers tracked a young British trooper in Malayia during the insurections foloowing WW2. A really, really good and funny movie about the absurdities of military life.

BaylorMax
05-05-2004, 05:18 PM
Anyone remember Sergei Eisenstadt's (Sp?) Alexander Nevsky? Great movie about the defeat of the Teutonic Knights at the battle of the Masurian Lakes during the Middle Ages.

Also the New Centurians about French Legionaires in Vietnam and Algeria by Jean Larteguy if my memory is correct.

Finally, The Sunshine Soldiers tracked a young British trooper in Malayia during the insurections foloowing WW2. A really, really good and funny movie about the absurdities of military life.

ASM 1
05-05-2004, 05:28 PM
god is this thread still going?

cool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

S!

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Xiolablu3
05-05-2004, 06:19 PM
I thought 'The Thin Red Line' was realistic.

Showing that the horror was felt equally by both sides.

You see the yanks scared stff at teh bottom of the hill and then once they get to the top they see the jaPS just as scared once they arrive. Young kids shooting at the jap medics with a stretcher...some good bits in that film which make you think.

Baltar
05-05-2004, 06:36 PM
Yeah, I'm not sure why TRL is disliked so much--its a far better film than SPR.

Band of Brothers and Thin Red Line are among my favorites.

gates123
05-06-2004, 04:13 PM
1. Patton
2. The Longest Day
3. Band of Brothers
4. Force 10 (late 70's starring Harrison Ford and Robert Shaw)

Honorable Mention : Gladiator http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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backseatgunner
05-06-2004, 04:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RocketDog:
I was doing my PhD at Sheffield when Threads was filmed and shown on TV. Some of my friends worked as extras.

The night it was shown we watched on TV as the city in which we lived was nuked. At work the day after everyone was almost in shock. A horrible time. Looking back many of us thought a nuclear war was almost a certainty before the decade was out.

Regards,

RocketDog.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I remember that feeling all too well. We had a massive dust storm come through my home city (Melbourne Australia) in the early 80's, and we lost all power and communications for a while. We seriously considered the possibility of us having been nuked about 80km away. That feeling through much of the 80's of almost certain nuclear death meant many of us grew up making no plans for the future. The end of the Cold War had some of going "Ok, so now what?"

As for movies,

"Stalingrad"
"Das Boot"
"The Longest Day"
The first ten minutes of "Saving Private Ryan"
"Gallipoli"

The reason I list German movies first is the fact that the movie makers feel no need to "win the war"

cheers,

EPP-Gibbs
05-06-2004, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tazzers01:

I suppose the most convincing (if not realistic) has to be Saving Private Ryan, though you get the immpression (yet again) that the Americans did it all by thenselves which is a bit rich especially when you know people who were also there and certainly wern't American. No offence meant, we couldn't have done it without them but the same goes vice versa and I just wish the Americans could accept that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand this at all. The film Saving Private Ryan isn't about who did what in Normandy on a historical level, it's a focussed film about the value of life and what happened to a single unit of soldiers who just happen to be American. It has nothing to do with the battles fought by the British and Canadians, etc, so they do not need to be mentioned at all. Normandy is simply the setting. It could just as easily been set in the American Civil war and the feeling at the end of the film is anything but "Hey! The US Army kicked **** and won D-Day for everyone else".

it's an invalid criticism.

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DangerForward
05-06-2004, 05:11 PM
Here's a few I think are pretty well done:

Cross Of Iron - real looking T34s, but Soviet planes are Corsairs I think.

Hamburger Hill - I've read it's the most realistic Vietnam movie.

While Trumpets Fade - little known but cool.

Saving Private Ryan - best battle recreations

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FI-Aflak
05-06-2004, 09:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fulanito_chile:
ok... i start this thread as yesterday i watched a British docu/movie called "Threads" and i tell you even though the cold war is over it scared the life out of me! if i had watched it in the early/mid 80's when it was made i think i would have been really shocked!.!.! (BTW it was based on a Russian nuclear attack on the U.K) anyway that movie aside (i highly recomend it...And if you watched it during the 80's what effect did it have on you?)

Which military movie is the most ture to life? i've never been in the military or in combat for that matter but i think these are my 4 top realistic movies...

1.Platoon
2.We were soldiers
3.Saving privet Ryan (even thought the story line about getting Ryan was a bit unrealistic)
4.Full metal jaket

"The Chilean Airforce" (FACH) The 4th oldest in the World...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Platoon was a bad movie. Defoe was good, everything else was bad. When the narrator started babbling about "I felt like a cild born of those two fathers" I spit my drink so hard it hit the off button on my TV. I left it that way.

Porsimo
05-07-2004, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by purzel08:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCHADEN:
I agree with the remark about realism in Private Ryan - I'd have mortared the **** out the MG position for 30 minutes then assaulted from the flank under smoke, doubt if anyone would have been left by then but no one does hey diddle-diddle straight up the middle anymore...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly...It seems none of those directors ever
got a military education.
...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it would've been even more unrealistic if they'd got a half an hour fire strike. If the artillery hadn't better targets elsewhere I still doubt they'd spent ammo for 30 minute hit for a single mg nest. Realism in the stories isn't that things are made by the best or most reasonable way but concerning the circumstances.

But that's just what I think...

- Regards
Porsimo
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christopher65
05-07-2004, 01:49 AM
Hasnt this subject just been done to death???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Uber_Numpty
05-07-2004, 02:23 AM
I Remember seeing a film made by the "BBC" called "War Games". It was also about a nuclear attack on the UK. It scared me witless, I was about 16 at the time (1980) and the 3 min warning was always in the back of my mind.
I joined "CND" shortly afterwards... crazy daze.

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Menthol_moose
05-07-2004, 04:05 AM
A few people have mentioned mephis belle... but its got its fair shair of problems.

The crew are always taking off their oxygen masks and gloves, being at such a high altitude it would cause instant frostbite and they would pass out from a lack of oxygen.

a bit of a nitpick.. but has to be mentioned.

david_clow
05-10-2004, 12:27 AM
'Come and See" Russian WW2 film, cant recall directors name. Speilberg ripped off the feel of this film and some of its effects for 'Ryan'.'The Bridge" a German film, made not to long after the WW2 about a group of boy-soldiers left behind to defend a bridge (funnily enough) in the closing days of WW2. I think John Hustons version of 'Red Badge of courage' is very good.Would be better without the narrators voiceover ,and if seen in this way, appears to tell a different story.

TheGozr
05-10-2004, 12:38 AM
Capitaine Conan excellent film about ww1.( french Movie )This is the mopvie that the movie private Ryan and others got inspired by it.

-GOZR
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darkhorizon11
05-10-2004, 12:39 AM
Personally its kind of an opinion thing. Obviously most veterans always say a movie can't even compare. Plus I've noticed that newer movies focus on the in-your-face feel and blood more than historical accuracy. It could go either way. There was actually a special on the History Channel awhile back (I only saw part of it) about how the Longest Day wasn't realistic in that it made taking the beaches appear much easier than it really (particularly Omaha).
Personally, I dig the obvious ones like Band of Brothers, SPR, The Lost Battalion, but the one that I think that is forgotton often is Das Boot, it was even made in German.

BTW has anyone here seen Deep Blue Sky? How is that?

TheGozr
05-10-2004, 12:56 AM
yep..

Capitain COnan

This little known movie deserves greater noteriety. For one thing it shows a different aspect of WW1. The Balkan Front. Here was a somewhat more fluid campaign and the fact that it is depicted shows that the director wanted to provide a different perspective of the war. Everything as far as equipment and uniforms goes is super-accurate. Even the French Infantry uniforms are shown to be khaki-green instead of the standard blue-grey that they wore on the Western front.

-GOZR
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KSS_Jester_UK
05-10-2004, 12:59 AM
2 more to add to your list:-

"Cross of Iron"

and

"Stalingrad"

But one I really enjoy over and over is "Kelly's Heroes" -&gt; "It's a Mother beautiful bridge and it's going to be there"

WTE_Ibis
05-10-2004, 05:16 AM
catch22

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WWScout
05-10-2004, 08:23 AM
Has anyone mentioned Dark Blue World?

SmartFart
05-11-2004, 04:16 PM
Remember The Day After? That was pretty scary. I lost my hair watching it.

Never seen Shards although having been to Sheffield a few times being nuked would be a more noble end to the place than 'The Full Monty' ever was.

But, 'Saving Private Ryan' pretty much does it when it comes to illustrating what happens when the metal meets the meat. Forget the **** about Monty and Caens, etc. and the often fairly poor acting, that film should be compulsory viewing for every citizen.

In other news, the DVD of The Battle of Britain (1969, yeah baby!)is finally available in the UK on May 24th (go figure, it's been out in the US for a few years), so we can all raise a glass to the few in 5.1.

And to the fellow who stated that Britain invented concentration camps, yes we did, we invented camps that concentrated a disparate Boer farming population that supported (not suprisingly) its guerilla menfolk at war, and poor sanitation and neglect led to a great many deaths due to disease.

This is not the same as Nazi Germany's homicidal death camps, or the industrialisation of internment that was acheived under the Soviets in their gulags. Britain has nothing to be proud about from its colonial past (except maybe the sanitation, viticulture, roads, law and order, medicine, municipal government, technology transfer, aviation, standardisation, a joke, get it?) but it's the Nazis who put the 'concentration' in concentration camp.