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Baltar
06-14-2004, 03:10 PM

Baltar
06-14-2004, 03:10 PM

horseback
06-14-2004, 03:19 PM
Yes, they really make that much difference! I can't imagine going back to the twisty-stick ever again (the last time I took the twisty stick with me on a roadtrip, I got a helluva cramp in the back of my right hand after a long mission in the 109F...

I'm thoroughly spoiled, but I'm worth it (besides, my pain threshold isn't what it used to be). As much time as I spend playing this sim (and as bad as I play), the per hour cost of my CH Pro Pedals is less than a nickel at this point.

cheers

horseback

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VF-17_Jolly
06-14-2004, 03:39 PM
I use rudder pedals and an X-45 the pedals however are from a Thrustmaster modena steering wheel converted into button box
the only fault is they have two independent pedals (will remedy soon) works good though
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arcadeace
06-14-2004, 03:45 PM
My experience has been unusual. I'm a lefty and used the Saitek Evo as well as 2 Cyborg 3D sticks, all twist rudder, they are very smooth and precise, no problems like Logitech. I've wanted greater immersion with HOTAS and recently purchased a used setup consisting of a TM F-22, F-16 throttle and original TM pedals. It worked good but the amount of coordination needed, plus right-handed usage made it too much at present to get used to. I've since purchased a TM Afterburner which is a right-handed twist and seperate throttle. Its been easier for me to adjust and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. The twist action, like the Saitek sticks is precise. I will say this, if you can get used to pedals Horseback is right on. If I was naturally right-handed I could have adjusted much easier and the level of immersion would have been most enjoyable.

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ASM 1
06-14-2004, 04:32 PM
Twisty stick here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif M$ FFB2 - bog standard, although I want to add a throttle from an X45 at some point. Not fussed about pedals...

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Mitlov47
06-14-2004, 04:39 PM
Can people name a decent set of rudder pedals at an affordible price? And how do you plug them in...USB? I've already used up both USB ports on my computer (one for joystick, one for mouse).

I use a twisty stick, but I'm not happy with that solution.

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HH Beebop
06-14-2004, 05:02 PM
For pedals that are good quality and relatively inexpensive:

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/gp_ch_pedals.html

To solve your USB problem, get a four port extension. It should be availalbe at most stores that carry computer stuff.

Hope this helps.

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Mitlov47
06-14-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HH Beebop:
For pedals that are good quality and relatively inexpensive:

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/gp_ch_pedals.html

To solve your USB problem, get a four port extension. It should be availalbe at most stores that carry computer stuff.

Hope this helps.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, at $110, they're a luxury I'll have to do without for the near future.

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HH Beebop
06-14-2004, 05:42 PM
Several here have used racing wheel/pedal combos. I have a Logitech GT wheel that I'm going to try. I believe LEXX has done this with success. The Logitech wheel is only 40 USD or so. While perhaps not ideal, it would be a start.

Just a thought.

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GT182
06-14-2004, 06:16 PM
Cougar HOTAS and gameport CH Pro pedals.... the only way to go. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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CPS_Lav69
06-14-2004, 06:17 PM
The CH pedals can also be used for racing games. Brake and gas, so their not so specialized.

Baltar
06-14-2004, 09:50 PM
Ok, I see plenty of people with pedals or twistys...what about rocker switches? Can anyone who has used them comment on how effective that configuration is?

calculus_kid
06-14-2004, 10:33 PM
If you dont have a lot of money like me get an old microsoft sidewinder. I bought mine off ebay dirt cheap after my logicrap packed it in and have never had to calibrate it once.Fantastic

BennyMoore
06-14-2004, 10:57 PM
I also use and swear by CH Pro Pedals USB.

The only argument I will make in favor of pedals is this: real aircraft have them. Stick twist is a pathetic substitute. Think you that there is no reason that real aircraft all have pedals and not stick twist?

HH Beebop
06-14-2004, 11:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Baltar:
Ok, I see plenty of people with pedals or twistys...what about rocker switches? Can anyone who has used them comment on how effective that configuration is?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Although this week I'm going to try using my Logitech wheel pedals, I currently use an X-45 with the rocker set to rudder. IMO it's no different from learning to use a twist stick for the rudder. Both are solutions for not having pedals. Those who use twist sticks are no different really than those who use rockers. It's a learned thing. Real pilots didn't use a typewriter to fly or look at a 2 dimensional screen.
I have learned to use the rocker and it works well enough for me. That opinion may very well change by the end of the week.

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Mitlov47
06-14-2004, 11:44 PM
Is the rocker switch the same as that hat on top of my joystick? Or are you talking about something else?

If so, how do you deal with the fact that it's an "on-off" sort of thing as opposed to having variable control?

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hughlb2
06-15-2004, 01:03 AM
I am putting up a little while longer with my Dogitec Wingman Strikeforce 3D FFB. Man, now thats a crappy stick, although the FFB is ok.

I have always used the twist rudder, I dont mind it at all because it combines movement on all axis in the one unit, so its good for quick twist movements to plant your reticle on the target.

I want to get a new CT joystick with throttle and pedals, pedals seem to be the best for overall control and realism.

How the hell does a "rocker switch" work anyway. I sounds like you need three hands - joystick, throttle, rocker. Correct me if I am wrong, I have no idea.

WTE_Galway
06-15-2004, 02:35 AM
I use CH Pro pedals and they are great


one minor point .. they have a habit of snapping the rather small wires to the brake pedals after sustained use .. but its a 5 minute job to open them up and resolder the broken wire

arcadeace
06-15-2004, 03:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Is the rocker switch the same as that hat on top of my joystick? Or are you talking about something else?

If so, how do you deal with the fact that it's an "on-off" sort of thing as opposed to having variable control?
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A rocker is not a hatswitch. It centers with variable movement left or right.

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NorrisMcWhirter
06-15-2004, 06:35 AM
Hi,

EDIT: The diagram comes out wrong cos of prop. fonts.

Can't be that hard to make a set of rudder pedals...should only need a piece of wood with some stabilisation at either end...drill a hole in the middle and stick a bolt through to hold the top piece on. Mount the pot at this point.

Then, get a couple of bits of wood shaped like yer foot and attach them, via a swivel bolt, to either end of the top bit. Wire it up to your game port and hey presto.

i.e. plan view:

B FF B
B TT B
BBBBBBBTTBBBBBBBBB
B TT B
B FF B

Where
B = hardwood base.
T = Top piece
F = Foot pedal

Not the best diagram but you get the idea.

If I wasn't an idle get, I'd build one myself.

Cheers,
Norris

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HH Beebop
06-15-2004, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
How the hell does a "rocker switch" work anyway. I sounds like you need three hands - joystick, throttle, rocker. Correct me if I am wrong, I have no idea.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You don't need three hands!
On the X-45 it's located on the far side of the throttle quadrant. I use my middle and fourth finger to operate. It's location is the biggest complaint of most as when the throttle is at 80+% it can be hard to reach. Some people have reversed the axis to solve the problem.

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VF-17_Jolly
06-15-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mitlov47:
Is the rocker switch the same as that hat on top of my joystick? Or are you talking about something else?

If so, how do you deal with the fact that it's an "on-off" sort of thing as opposed to having variable control?

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/387_1086736236_p-63sigimage.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.maximum3d.com/images/x45/Image6.jpg

This is the rocker rudder switch on an X-45 it works ok but i find it too sensitive also some people have problems reaching it..... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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VF-17_Jolly
06-15-2004, 01:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HH Beebop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hughlb2:
How the hell does a "rocker switch" work anyway. I sounds like you need three hands - joystick, throttle, rocker. Correct me if I am wrong, I have no idea.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You don't need three hands!
On the X-45 it's located on the far side of the throttle quadrant. I use my middle and fourth finger to operate. It's location is the biggest complaint of most as when the throttle is at 80+% it can be hard to reach. Some people have reversed the axis to solve the problem.

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Beebop: recalibrate your thottle but only push it half way you will find it much easier too use...

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Flyby_99
06-15-2004, 06:54 PM
Cougar owner here. I have no rudder pedals per se, but I have programmed the rotary antenna knob on the throttle as the rudder. It as a notched center-travel point, and it is easily moved by my thumb even as I move the throttle. It's easy to make either gross or fine inputs, and makes bringing the guns to bear an easier task. One day rudder pedals, but for now, no hurry.
Flyby out

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Ob.Emann
06-15-2004, 11:12 PM
Saitek Cyborg Graphite (twisty stick in case you can't make the connection yourself).

Picked it up at Wal-Mart yesterday for $20, replaced my old MS Sidewinder II. Great stick, although I'm having problems assigning rudder to a Z axis rotation.

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Dronamar
06-16-2004, 11:29 AM
How do you add pedals?

I used to be a huge online racing fan and have a logitec MOMO wheel.

Can I plug both my Flightstick (also the logitech it seems nobody likes) and the Wheel in at the same time and use the pedals and joystick?

I'm new.