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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 05:32 PM
How about the Cant 1007Z Bis for the Italians for the upcoming Med add-on from Oleg ?? Clay Piggeon ??

About 560 aircrafts produced with single & double tail. Some seized by the German after the Italian armistice in 1943.

Medium torpedo/level bomber - 465Km/h - 2650 lbs bombload - 2 X 12.7mm & 2 X 7.7mm MGs defensive armement

Link including cockpit and bomber position modelling material: http://digilander.libero.it/torpedoclub/sub172.htm


http://hsgalleries.com/images/cantz1007cb_1.jpg


Do217P

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 05:32 PM
How about the Cant 1007Z Bis for the Italians for the upcoming Med add-on from Oleg ?? Clay Piggeon ??

About 560 aircrafts produced with single & double tail. Some seized by the German after the Italian armistice in 1943.

Medium torpedo/level bomber - 465Km/h - 2650 lbs bombload - 2 X 12.7mm & 2 X 7.7mm MGs defensive armement

Link including cockpit and bomber position modelling material: http://digilander.libero.it/torpedoclub/sub172.htm


http://hsgalleries.com/images/cantz1007cb_1.jpg


Do217P

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:02 PM
it is a nice bomber
lou69

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:13 PM
Now I like this plane. After looking at the cockpit I see I could use my steering wheel to fly it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 06:51 PM
Now that's what I call someone wanting a plane in FB, and actually providing the kind of information modellers would kill for. Thank you, Do217, and I hope this plane finds its way eventually into our game.


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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:05 PM
You are welcome Asrdvark!

This is not my most wanted A/C but isn't she beautiful with the attractive Italian WWII camouflage. My most wanted are already well taken care of:

- Junkers Ju 88A-4/A-4 field mod & C-6a by Jippo
- Bf 110C4/B by Mr Vibbert & crew
- Do 217E-5 by Halfwit
- Heinkel 177A-5 by Halfit

Forgot who is doing the Me 410.....& the Ju 188

Now, we would be just missing the Italian planes such as flyable Mc 200, Mc 202, Mc 205V & N, G.55, Sm 79, Cant 1007Z bis. I know some of those are already taken care of as well! Xanty has the Cr 42 coming too!

At last, we need to convince Gibbage somehow that he wants to finish the cockpit for the flyable Hs 129B !

Too bad I do not nearly have the talent to tackle modelling......but I am willing to help with some $$$ and references.

Do 217P

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:29 PM
I think many of the Italian planes will take precedence once(or if) a Mediterranean map is announced.

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:38 PM
Here's my most wanted plane list (flyable):

Spitfire I, V, IX
P-51D
Bf 110C4
ME 210
Fi 156 Storch
Ju-52
Po-2
Ju-88
P-38
PBY Catalina (God bless Gibbage) /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Then again, I wouldn't mind having to wait for these planes provided that a Mediterranean is developed.

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 07:48 PM
Thats a nice pic where'd you get it from?


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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, where as the Jerries will run." Beurling in Malta Spitfire

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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 08:25 PM
Pdog,

This great image can be found on the box art for the recently announced AlphaFlight 1/48 scale Cant Z.1007 model. This model is exclusively available from Pacific Coast models at http://www.pacmodels.com

Regards,

Do217P

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 09:15 PM
That is cool, I'll have to add it to the list

XyZspineZyX
08-02-2003, 10:48 PM
bump

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:05 AM
Additionally........

The Cant Z. 1007 & Z. 1007 Bis served in the Mediteranean, on the Russian front, & one squadron operated from North Africa, namely Libya as well.

The Bis version had an increased fuselage length, bigger wings & stronger landing gear allowing for a larger internal bomb load of up to 4400 lbs. Alternatively, 4 external wing racks allowed the Z. 1007 to carry up to 4 X 550 lbs bombs or 2 X 1000 lbs torpedoes.

Of the about 560 total produced, about half had the single tail, and the other half was produced with twin-tails, but they were referred to as the same plane and operated together interchangeably within the Italian bomber squadrons.

Not the fastest or the strongest bomber by any means, but still quite an interesting & attractive aircraft, with decent operational features & performance. The camouflage schemes used on the Z. 1007 sure are impressive, as most schemes used by the Italians in WWII.

Do 217P

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:19 AM
http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/savoia/sm79sq253gr104st43.jpg



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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:28 AM
do217s wrote:

Junkers Ju 88A-4/A-4 field mod & C-6a by Jippo
-- Bf 110C4/B by Mr Vibbert & crew
-- Do 217E-5 by Halfwit
-- Heinkel 177A-5 by Halfit



In Agree,my friend! And will Add Hs123!!!! Used lot as battle plane.Or a cockpit for Hs129!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:39 AM
Hmm i don't quite remember the Cant Z. 1007 as being used in Russia.
There were hardly enough of them for the needs of the med.


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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, where as the Jerries will run." Beurling in Malta Spitfire

http://www.x-plane.org/users/butcherbird/202k1.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 01:52 AM
Pdog,

You are right about the relative low number of those bombers. However, I have found at least several sources that stated the Italian themselves were quite surprised how well the Alcione stood up to the heat of North Africa, and the bitter cold of Russia given the aircraft wooden construction.

Additionally, at least one of my source even states that many Cant Z.1007 served on the Russian front. Rhorta's site even claims that the 1007 saw service from the English coast up to the southern front of Russia, but mainly operated in the Med theatre of Ops & particularly in greece, along side the more common, but older & slightly less powerful Sm. 79 Sparviero.

Cheers,

Do217P

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:08 AM
Very intresting.

I have this article, in italian about Regia in russia doesn't mention any Cant Z. 1007

http://www.analisidifesa.it/numero20/st-D-corpoaereo-1.htm

Also neither of my italian ww2 books say anything about it, so i'm quite surprised.
Cant Z. 1007 in England seems weird... Regia only launched a few sorties against England with Fiat BR.20 bombers escorted by Fiat CR. 42s.

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm

What are your sources, intrested in seeing them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, where as the Jerries will run." Beurling in Malta Spitfire

http://www.x-plane.org/users/butcherbird/202k1.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:16 AM
rexcarrs wrote:
- Now I like this plane. After looking at the cockpit
- I see I could use my steering wheel to fly it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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- minds.*****
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Same as TB-3. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, where as the Jerries will run." Beurling in Malta Spitfire

http://www.x-plane.org/users/butcherbird/202k1.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:30 AM
Rhorta's site:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/cantz1007.html#cantz10070

I will have to dig into my books, but one that comes to mind about the Italian being surprised about the fact that the 1007 stood rather well to the heat of North Africa to the bitter cold of the Russian front considering its wooden construction is the Fighting aircraft of WWII by Bill Gunston is something like that I believe. That is a book that I use for quick reference, although I do not consider all within it to be always perfectly accurate. In that book, it is also mentioned about the many 1007 used on the Russian Front in a second area of the book.

I will dig into my other books tomorrow for references to the Russian front for the Cant Z.1007.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 02:40 AM
bump

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 04:41 AM
Looks interresting, I'd be flying it.

Now we need good old Faith, Hope and Love /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

rgds

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:28 AM
...or is it Charity?

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:37 AM
Yep it is charity. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I have Fighting Aircraft of WW2 by Gunston also and this is the quote on page 356.

"Alicones were bravely operated on throught the Mediterranean, and many even served on the Russian front"

I think this is false.
I have never seen a picture of Alicone in russia with the distinguishing yellow theater bands present on all axis aircraft in Russia.

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"The Eyeties are comparatively easy to shoot down. Oh, they're brave enough. In fact, I think the Eyeties have more courage than the Germans, but their tactics aren't so good. They are very good gliders, but they try to do clever acrobatics and looping. But they will stick it even if things are going against them, where as the Jerries will run." Beurling in Malta Spitfire

http://www.x-plane.org/users/butcherbird/202k1.jpg

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:40 AM
Again.... My mistake, Charity it is..

rgds

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 05:43 AM
Got my own language and the translation mixed up...

rgds

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 07:47 PM
bump

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 09:35 PM
Pdog,

About the use of the Z.1007 on the Western theatre & Russian front, I found this in a quick search on the net:

"Deliveries of the Z.1007bis to the units commenced in the spring of 1940 to the 106th and 107th Groups of the 47th Stormo, although none could be considered operational when Italy entered the war in 6/40. The Z.1007's first mission occurred in 9/40 when several of the single fin types were incorporated into the unit sent to Belgium to bomb England. It was not an outstanding debut as the CANTs carried out only a few missions on the English Channel front and with little success.

However, in 10/40, the Z.1007 was largely used in the invasion of Greece, followed by service in the Mediterranean, North Africa and especially against Malta. On the Russian front, the use of the three engine bombers was sporadic and intermittent. At the time of the armistice, the few remaining Z.1007's were split about evenly between the pro-Axis and Co-Belligerent air forces. At its height, the Z.1007 was used by 4 Stormos, 7 Groups and 2 squadrons."

Link: http://www.comandosupremo.com/Cantz1007.html

Do 217P

XyZspineZyX
08-03-2003, 10:22 PM
I would love to see the Vulcan in the game. This is unlikely to happen though due to it lying higher than any other bomber or fighter of the time. Also, it had no weapons because it simply didn't need them. And the size of the thing would mean it needed an extreamly large runway for take off and landing.