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SkyChimp
09-01-2004, 07:25 PM
"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the F4U, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the F4U. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The F4U didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the F4U was most likely the best fighter plane. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (F4U) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good airplane. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, F4U best of all"

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SkyChimp
09-01-2004, 07:25 PM
"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the F4U, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the F4U. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The F4U didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the F4U was most likely the best fighter plane. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (F4U) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good airplane. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, F4U best of all"

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Hunter82
09-01-2004, 07:55 PM
I still prefer my Hellcat and always will http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Korolov
09-01-2004, 08:02 PM
Brace yourselves for the coming typhoon...

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VMF513_Sandman
09-01-2004, 08:04 PM
i just hope they got the stall characteristics modeled right. cfs2's version flopped around like a fish out of water at will. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

WTE_Galway
09-01-2004, 08:08 PM
cessna bird-dog won the war !!!!


oh damn wrong war that was 'nam


oh well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Vladimir_No2
09-01-2004, 09:04 PM
Nice "edit"

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jenikovtaw
09-01-2004, 09:09 PM
Wasnt that originally about a P51 and not F4u?

wtf is F4U doing in germany?

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SkyChimp
09-01-2004, 09:12 PM
The F4U was stolen by a German agent and was used as the basis for every German super-weapon ever conceived.

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horseback
09-01-2004, 09:22 PM
Like that classic Elton John song says, "The Chimp is Back."

cheers

horseback

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wayno7777
09-01-2004, 09:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Brace yourselves for the coming typhoon...

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It should be a h$ll of a Tempest.

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LuftLuver
09-01-2004, 09:58 PM
Hitler: What do you need to win the war?

Goering: A squadron of Corsairs!

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SkyChimp
09-01-2004, 10:54 PM
See? Luft knows.

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fordfan25
09-01-2004, 11:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the F4U, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the F4U. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The F4U didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the F4U was most likely the best fighter plane. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (F4U) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good airplane. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, F4U best of all"

Per Gunther Rall 275+ kill German Experten

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robban75
09-01-2004, 11:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the F4U, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the F4U. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The F4U didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the F4U was most likely the best fighter plane. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (F4U) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good airplane. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, F4U best of all"

Per Gunther Rall 275+ kill German Experten

See how easy it is?

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Careful SkyChimp, there are millions of souls out there that might believe what you just wrote to be true. Don't play with their fragile minds.

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SkyChimp
09-01-2004, 11:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:

Careful SkyChimp, there are millions of souls out there that might believe what you just wrote to be true. Don't play with their fragile minds.

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"Fra Gee Lee" - that must be Italian.

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The fuselage is short and fat,
the plank-like wings are square and flat,
While out behind in foul or fair,
the Wildcat's tail stands fair and square.

Jasko76
09-02-2004, 12:18 AM
Got any more data to back your claim, Chimp? You should always check several sources before making your mind about something, however insignificant it may be.

Regards,

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WTE_Galway
09-02-2004, 01:06 AM
OK .. turns out he cheated .. tuens out the wuote wasnt about the F4U at all .. this is the original

"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the F4 Phantom jet, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the F4 Phantom. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The F4 Phantom didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the F4 Phantom was most likely the best fighter plane. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (F4 Phantom) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good airplane. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, F4 Phantom best of all"

IL2-chuter
09-02-2004, 01:24 AM
I've read a few accounts of Japanese pilots (I believe including Sakai) saying they would rather tangle with Corsairs than Hellcats. Corsairs usually carried too much speed too dogfight and could be dodged (if you were good) while the Hellcat would swoop in and follow you around. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Extreme_One
09-02-2004, 05:47 AM
What that ugly little plane??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

I hate it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif It had the worst rear visibility ever and looks wierd!

There's no accounting for taste I suppose... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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RavagerOCHW
09-02-2004, 05:57 AM
"What that ugly little plane??? Dazed

I hate it! Disapproval It had the worst rear visibility ever and looks wierd!

There's no accounting for taste I suppose... Wink2

S! Simon"

We are talking about the F4U not the Spitfire ;o)

Extreme_One
09-02-2004, 06:04 AM
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VW-IceFire
09-02-2004, 06:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Brace yourselves for the coming typhoon...

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Did someone say Typhoon? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Karaya_69th
09-02-2004, 08:46 AM
Sorry to bring this to light Chimp, but I saw that very same read except General Rall was talking about the P-51 and not the corsair. The exact same one. Almost looks like corsair was put in where P-51 was.

BSS_Goat
09-02-2004, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karaya_69th:
Sorry to bring this to light Chimp, but I saw that very same read except General Rall was talking about the P-51 and not the corsair. The exact same one. Almost looks like corsair was put in where P-51 was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think Skychump http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif was being sarcastic.

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joeap
09-02-2004, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karaya_69th:
Sorry to bring this to light Chimp, but I saw that very same read except General Rall was talking about the P-51 and not the corsair. The exact same one. Almost looks like corsair was put in where P-51 was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See what you've done Chimp??? First prize for the golden hook award to Karaya...may I be obvious and blunt? CHIMP WAS TROLLING AND JOKING!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif Hello, he knew Rall was speaking about the P-51..

I say TIE interceptor rox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

JG7_Rall
09-02-2004, 01:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karaya_69th:
Sorry to bring this to light Chimp, but I saw that very same read except General Rall was talking about the P-51 and not the corsair. The exact same one. Almost looks like corsair was put in where P-51 was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif



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Anyways, nice post chimp. Gave me a good laugh! F4U is best fighter plane, be sure.


btw, for you, karaya:

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mortoma
09-02-2004, 02:06 PM
Please take out the F4U and substitute the Cessna 152. It was the plane I learned to fly in so it has to be the best, bar none. And I'm sure none of his students could have hit a C-152 either. It is too slow to hit!!!

Karaya_69th
09-02-2004, 05:01 PM
Ok,Ok, you got me. I didn't see the first post about the 51. I'll go back to my hole now

ImpStarDuece
09-02-2004, 06:06 PM
Nice one Chimp,

Always knew you were a little prone to monkeying around.


Be careful now. Things on this board have a way of going a little ape$HiT though..

But its probably best to ignore me, i'm just gibbon out free advice.

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Korolov
09-02-2004, 06:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I say TIE interceptor rox
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"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the X-Wing, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the X-Wing. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The X-Wing didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the X-Wing was most likely the best space superiority fighter. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (X-Wing) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good fighter. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, X-Wing best of all."

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joeap
09-03-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
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I say TIE interceptor rox
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"What was important was the German Air Force had a formation of captured aircraft restored. They came for training to my fighter leader school. Certainly, I only flew the X-Wing, P-51, P-47, P-38 as a target for my students. None of my students could even come close to hitting the X-Wing. So I learned these planes and I learned the advantages and disadvantages compared with the Focke-Wulf 190 and the 109. The X-Wing didn't have any. And I still consider that altogether with all these factors that the X-Wing was most likely the best space superiority fighter. This was maneuverable. When I got in, the first thing, I got in the cockpit and I saw electric starting system. I remember wank, wank in Russia (refers to the manual starter by mechanics). Her (X-Wing) press button, prrrd, then we go (electrical starter, easy engine starter). Fantastic. Beautiful sight (visibility). We never had this sight to the back.. Very stable undercarriage. Very good weapons set. So I think this was a very good fighter. I flew it a few times, then I flew the P-51, then I discovered the speed difference, down, perfect. No comparison, X-Wing best of all."

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Plus if you have the Force on your side. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

geetarman
09-03-2004, 10:16 AM
You mean this wasn't true! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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09-03-2004, 11:54 AM
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