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SECUDUS
02-05-2004, 03:58 PM
Can't Cut&Paste...?

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SECUDUS
02-05-2004, 03:58 PM
Can't Cut&Paste...?

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SECUDUS
02-05-2004, 03:59 PM
This is from one of my P-38 books.

"Westland Aircraft's design team tried to produce a viable high-altitude replacement for the failed Whirlwind. Powered by two Rolls-Royce Merlins of 1650 BHP each, with 50 percent more power it was about 30MPH slower then a contemporary P-38H. Rate-of-roll was dead slow, and it ran into compressibility at lower speeds then any P-38.It weighted about the same as a P-38J and the wing span was no less tan 18 feet greater then any P-38. Remember the chiding about the huge size of the P-38s and P-47s? What goes around comes around."

Vickers also tried a twin engine fighter (Vickers Type 432) and also failed. Apparently, the Brits could not put together a good twin engine fighter! Their failed attempt was in 1942, P-38 beat it senseless and it was a 1938 design.

Gibb, would you let me know what book these excerpts came from pleaseā...? Only I would like to get a copy!

Hereā's an ā˜Officialā' report given by the pilots at NAS Patuxent River, MD 16-23 Oct.1944 Joint Fighter Conference of both the P-38 and Mosquito.

If you donā't know about the JFC look it up thereā's plenty of info about it on the net!

Sorry about the big images – Only if I made them any smaller you would not be able to read themā...

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Erbriac
02-05-2004, 04:30 PM
Although very nice and crisp scans, there is a "crop" and "rotate" tool in every paint proggie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SECUDUS
02-05-2004, 04:34 PM
http://www.encyclopedia4u.com/w/westland-welkin.html

The Welkin was born of the Air Ministry SPECIFICATION F.4/40 which called for a single seat, high altitude fighter, with cannon armament, capable of operation at an altitude of 40.000ft. and above...

A consequence of the developement of the Welkins pressurised cabin led to the formation of Normalair Limited. Westlands produced a pressurised cabin that was technically superior to most other pressurised cabins then in existence...

During the course of its developement, the second prototype was involved in trials with specially developed Merlins engines that had direct liquid oxygen injection...

Another was made with two Merlin RM16SM engines, with the beard type radiators fitted instead of the normal units mounted in the wing centre sections. It began trials in June 1945 and proved to be somewhat faster than the standard Welkin I, attaining 398mph in level flight at 30.000ft., compared to the standard 387 mph at 26.000ft.

Because the threat from high flying enemy bombers did not materialise the Welkin was used as a testbed for future a/c.

Failure...? The weight of the Welkin with the new cabin and pressurising units pushed it up to 8,310lb's (Empty) so, it's not surprising she was 'only' capable of 387 odd and she had 2 Rolls-Royce Merlin 76 of 1,250hp! Not 1650hp as stated by your good self!

Sec.

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SECUDUS
02-05-2004, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Erbriac:
Although very nice and crisp scans, there is a "crop" and "rotate" tool in every paint proggie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Scans...I don't possess one...And they have all been reduced (By 50%)and cropped and rotated in ADOBE! I use a digital camera to capture my images unfortunately it has a very high res and the text of the book were very, very small.

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