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PapaSmurf630
04-30-2004, 07:52 PM

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04-30-2004, 07:52 PM

SKULLS Virga
04-30-2004, 10:18 PM
Hand me the sawzall so I can hack the ends off! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

IKP_Hawk
04-30-2004, 10:45 PM
Same here Papa! I love the full elliptical wing. I need a doctor also. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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Tully__
05-01-2004, 01:35 AM
If it has an engine and guns, I'll fly it. I wont necessarily do well in it, but I'll fly it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Stalker58
05-01-2004, 01:42 AM
I love any Spit if not sitting on my six! Eliptical ones are fantastic and clipped ones just vicious...

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!

Mitlov47
05-01-2004, 02:20 AM
The clipped wing is ugly, but I'm far, far more effective with it.

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ImpStarDuece
05-01-2004, 02:27 AM
I love my clipped spits. Gives a new life to the bird when your down n dirty with the bugs and the mud.

Besides they make the damn3d thing look vicious, like it'll rip your wings off and spit them back out at you if it gets on ya six. And as for the max climb of 1500 ft a min: Woot! Woot!

I say clip everything, better rool, better turn and more fun playing in the dirt. I can outfly la-7's and Yaks in my clipped L.F. Vb so bring it on.

Ps cant wait for the clipped IXc with the 4 hispano. Nothing will survive me then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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XyZspineZyX
05-01-2004, 02:42 AM
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Dear Sir,

There is a little and understandable mistake with the denomination of one of the pictures, this one;
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It is state as a Spitfire MK IX high altitude, but sorry it is not it is MK VII, I quote here a book;
"...the Spitfire IXs were categorized as LF, F and HF. (low-, medium- or high-altitude), but no external changes distinguished these variants..."
Clipped wings were only for roll rate and speed gains.
A last remarq if this should be a MK VII then it should have a retractable tail wheel and a "C" wing not a "E" wing like on the picture.

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LeadSpitter_
05-01-2004, 04:54 AM
the clipped wing just added to a better roll rate at high speed, but didnt hold as good as the eliptical in a combat turn.

I dunno a spitfire doesnt have that great look with the clipped wings I think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:

I say clip everything, better turn and more fun playing in the dirt.
Ps cant wait for the clipped IXc with the 4 hispano. Nothing will survive me then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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Clipped planes don't turn better as there have slightly higher wingloading (less area for lift dig?)

And the IXc has 2x hispano and 4x .303 (not 4 hispano) 4 cannons on a spit was a very rare mod as it degraded performance considerably. Only on the late marques do we see it as a common fixture (mk.21/f.22/f.24)

I prefer the look of 'full' wing spits but i find the CW much more effective down low and for scissoring.

Hawgdog
05-01-2004, 05:30 AM
soooooooooo
which spit for all around online DF superiority
I tried a couple and they seem lacking. Maybe I missed the 'good' one

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nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
soooooooooo
which spit for all around online DF superiority
I tried a couple and they seem lacking. Maybe I missed the 'good' one

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The spits are over hyped.

Forget about superiority - they are simply too slow to compete against the '43/'44 planes (if all planes concerned are flown well)

IMHO You stand most chance in a Spit LF Vb (CW)
The LFs are fastest and the clipped version has more forgiving handling.

Curly_109
05-01-2004, 06:05 AM
don't really know.... although unclipped --- rounded ones http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif looks more cool (BoB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)...

when u get on six of rounded-one, man it looks just like Bf109 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

DeerHunterUK
05-01-2004, 06:07 AM
"Unclipped" wings all the way.
Remember, clipped wing Spitfires makes baby Jesus cry.

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Friendly_flyer
05-01-2004, 06:40 AM
The clipped winged Spits weren't all that popular among the pilots. Some of them had their engine specially tuned for low altitude "rhubarb missions". They were sometimes refered to as the "clipped-cropped-crapped Spits".

The eliptical wings are simply beautiful, but there's a certain brutish charm to the clipped winged version...

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BlitzPig_DDT
05-01-2004, 09:14 AM
Clipped wing Spits look cool. Makes them more menacing and aggressive looking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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DONB3397
05-01-2004, 09:15 AM
Does anyone have the performance differences between the standard and clipped wing Vb's? Certainly rollrate was improved, but what of climb rate and turning radius?

According to my sources, about 1,000 CW were built at Castle Bromwich, out of about 6,000 Vb's and Vc's produced. There must have been a reason.

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LEBillfish
05-01-2004, 09:36 AM
Clipped or un-clipped???? what are you guys talking about here????

Ohhhh, Spitfire wings, ok.... I understand http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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SKULLS Virga
05-01-2004, 10:15 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif @ Billfish

At least you didn't state your preference. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

lbhskier37
05-01-2004, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nixon-fiend.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hawgdog:
soooooooooo
which spit for all around online DF superiority
I tried a couple and they seem lacking. Maybe I missed the 'good' one

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The spits are over hyped.

Forget about superiority - they are simply too slow to compete against the '43/'44 planes (if all planes concerned are flown well)

IMHO You stand most chance in a Spit LF Vb (CW)
The LFs are fastest and the clipped version has more forgiving handling.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spits not overhyped, it is a good plane against planes of its year. People seem to think any plane that cant hold its own in a 1944 dogserver is ****.

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CooperF4E
05-01-2004, 12:14 PM
Personally I prefer unclipped Spits even though the Spit isn't really one of my preferred planes.

Gimme a Hurri any day....

By the way I think the clipping of the wings was also to improve the rate of roll.

I don't like the Griffon spits either. I prefer that it has a Merlin and an elliptical wing.

Franzen
05-01-2004, 12:50 PM
As CooperF4E said it's logical that the clipped wings would give a better roll rate. I thinks it's possible to gain a little more speed also, less drag. The unclipped wings would be better(my opinion) in low level, low speed dfights(more wing=more lift). I guess it depends on each pilot's preferences. I think the unclipped wings are prettier but I prefer the clipped wings.

BTW, my ideas are just guesses, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Franzen
05-01-2004, 12:52 PM
I hate all the Spits in this game. I'd rather work for my kills. Gimme a 109 to work up a sweat. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Kurfurst__
05-01-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DONB3397:
Does anyone have the performance differences between the standard and clipped wing Vb's? Certainly rollrate was improved, but what of climb rate and turning radius? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a report on that somewhere, IIRC it states climb rate decreased by 300 fpm or so, and speed also a bit at high altitude, while low alt speed increased a bit. Roll rate improved accross the speed range, but not by much, it was found that ind. planes with heavier controls benefited more of it. The report, and most pilots didn`t like CWs, because it chipped of the turn ability considerably, which was the Spits major advantage vs. FW 190, and they didnt think the moderate immprovement in roll rate worth the loss.

AFAIK, clipping the wings could be done simply in the field, just remove the wingtips and there you go.

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VW-IceFire
05-01-2004, 05:15 PM
At the moment I find the Mark V with clipped wings is the one with the marked advantage on a 1944 dogfight server. Reason being you can make 410 kph or 420 kph (speedbar) in level flight.

With the clipped wings you loose turn and climb rate and trade it for speed and roll rate. Personally I find it useful but the Mark V with regular wings is definately the nicest lookign. Either way, the Spifires look like fighters that can get the job done...and in their respective years they can.

We're lacking a IX right now to compete against the FW190A's and the Bf 109G-6/14's. We're also lacking a Spitfire XIV which would be able to compete against the FW190D-9, the Ta-152, and the La-7. The IX will be with us shortly but the XIV I don't know about and really hope it shows up...

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Control_Damage
05-01-2004, 06:55 PM
I do prefer my Spifires without the clipped wings simply for the aesthetic beauty of the machine. As the old saying goes, if it looks right, it is right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

However, there is something about the clipped wing spits which makes them look for the want of a better word, purposeful. Be it Mk.V, Mk IX or particularly the Mk XIV with the Griffon engine and five plade prop (have a look at this page from a modelling reference site with an SEA theatre clipped Mk XIV just whet your appetite! http://www.modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/gb/campbellspit14.htm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif).

I agree with VW-IceFire wrt the natural adversaries for the various Mk Spitfires currently included, which are going to be included and which would be nice to be included in the sim. I would particularly like to see the completion of the Mk XIV as this would be a cracking ride.

I reckon nixon-fiend is wrong to say that the Spit is overhyped. The current Mk V is a good aircraft for its time ('41 to late '42 or early '43) but like all the aircraft fielded during the war it was quickly superceeded by new enemy types and later allied types. Such is the rapid pace of development of machinery, particularly during times of conflict http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Besides he has blown my a** away far too many times when he's flyang a Spit for me to mention http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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nixon-fiend.
05-01-2004, 07:30 PM
Oh don't get me wrong! I never meant the spit isn't competitive in it's respective year - it is very capable!

I was simply replying to Hawgdog who asked which model was best for "Df superiority" which i thought carried the inference that it could rule supreme amongst the planeset.

There has been a lot of talk of the spitfire being too good in terms of climb, E retension etc. And i simply intended to reaffirm the fact that it has trouble 'cutting the mustard' when faced with late 109s/190s.

In 1941/42 (maybe 43) it remains an effective fighter! That's why I spend 99% of my time in it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(I think my old p-39 feels a tad jealous, gathering dust in the 'hangar' but hey, I'm a Brit! I have to answer my calling http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Prof.Wizard
05-19-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Control_Damage:

I reckon nixon-fiend is wrong to say that the Spit is overhyped. The current Mk V is a good aircraft for its time ('41 to late '42 or early '43) but like all the aircraft fielded during the war it was quickly superceeded by new enemy types and later allied types. Such is the rapid pace of development of machinery, particularly during times of conflict http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Besides he has blown my a** away far too many times when he's flyang a Spit for me to mention http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Well, they can always correct this by bringing XIV Spitfires in the game. All other airforces have 1944-1945 aircrafts, why shouldn't the British as well?!

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