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Capt.England
08-12-2004, 11:14 AM

Capt.England
08-12-2004, 11:14 AM

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-12-2004, 11:26 AM
You betcha!!

but only if it comes with a lean feature and track ir as standard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif oh and the 50.cal dispersion would need to be fixed not to mention the damage model on the sherman because we all no the Tiger wasn't as Uber as all those books claim

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SKULLS Virga
08-12-2004, 11:35 AM
Had to vote maybe as I am not much of a tank guy - but I sure would get a kick out of flying missions in planes with and against human players in tanks or other ground operations! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

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Kasdeya
08-12-2004, 11:39 AM
Looking forward to that day. IL2, P38. P47 and Bf110's would kick mucho butt in close air support, Yeah Baby!

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ASH at S-MART
08-12-2004, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
You betcha!!

but only if it comes with a lean feature and track ir as standard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif oh and the 50.cal dispersion would need to be fixed not to mention the damage model on the sherman because we all no the Tiger wasn't as Uber as all those books claim<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>ROTFL! Bad thing is the *team* aspect that most sims and AI lack to make a good simulation would be really noticeable in a TANK sim. That is to say a 1 on 1 Sherman vs. Tiger would not be any fun.. But if they had AI smart enough where you could actually do some team tactics.. Then a 16 Sherman vs. 4 Tigers would be fun and challenging and realistic!

The game would also have to focus more on the TANK vs INFANTRY thing instead of TANK vs Tank because the TANK vs. TANK battles of WWII were the exception not the rule.

The pacific would be cool.. I would love to take a flame thrower and pull up on a hillside hole and light up a bunch of JAP infantry and watch them come running out of that hole!! Or the early N. Africa tank battles.. But the western euro stuff.. I think like IL2.. The Eastern front would be more interesting.. But late western war M47 would be fun to pop them Tigers with!

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LuftLuver
08-12-2004, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS:
You betcha!!

but only if it comes with a lean feature and track ir as standard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif oh and the 50.cal dispersion would need to be fixed not to mention the damage model on the sherman because we all no the Tiger wasn't as Uber as all those books claim

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Yep, also for the Tiger I please include:

1 - Disable due to rocks jamming in the intricate overlapping roadwheels

2 - Disable due to engine failure

3 - Disable due to final drive failure

4 - Disable due to low fuel supplies

This should take out 75% of the Tiggers while the M4A3E8's, Fireflys, Comets, M18 Hellcats and Pershings achieve their objectives. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-12-2004, 11:50 AM
Seriously though As Ash pointed out the main problem with tank simulators are weather/ infantry / variety of land vehicles.

I am not saying it isnt possible but I think we are still a way's off from a full on tank sim.

Fingers crossed one day it will happen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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fordfan25
08-12-2004, 11:56 AM
i would love it. ever sence i played m1 abrames on the sega gen. iv always thought it would be cool to have one with modern graphics and AI. thay would defanitly have to come up with some way to simulate infintry though.

PBNA-Boosher
08-12-2004, 12:43 PM
Everyone knows that the Sherman tank won the war because it was a better American design! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif NOT!

I'd definitely buy it, as long as the single .50 caliber can skip the bullets underneath the Tiger tanks like the pros did. ROTFLMAOLMAOLMAO http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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Capt.England
08-12-2004, 01:05 PM
The best WAR game that I have played sofar in 25 years of games playing has to be Operation Flashpoint. Something along the lines of this game would be cool as it was one of those games that had me scared in real life (The mission when you was lost behind the lines in the wood was pure class IMHO!)

The only down side in this game was the flight section which did not impress me too much. Hopefully the next version of this game will make the planes FM much more better and also include more options for being at HQ moving all your forces into play (IE. like a hex wargame) before jumping into the battle realtime (I can wish http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif)

Anyway, thanks for the support sofar people!

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Xnomad
08-12-2004, 01:46 PM
Why is everyone talking about Shermans? The biggest tank battle in history was Kursk and was on the eastern front, I would believe that to have a good tank game the Eastern front would have to feature heavily as the Russians had some good tanks to put up against the Germans. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

and YES I WOULD LOVE A GOOD TANK GAME http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif sorry for yelling. I used to play Operation Flashpoints tank missions a lot and I used to play Steel Beasts as well although the graphics aren't that hot.

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Obi_Kwiet
08-12-2004, 06:45 PM
I don't think that thier will be any sherman whines. The Sherman's crapiness is as legendary as the .50's greatness.

fordfan25
08-12-2004, 07:43 PM
its not so much that it was crapy its the fact that it was doing a job that it was not made to do. it was not designed to fight other tanks but to be infantry suport.its like if the germans had expected the BF110 to be the main fighter interceptor and go toe to toe with p51 or yak3s. im not saying the whole deal wasnt a snafu just give it some props for what it was made for, close in suport. we defanitly should have had heaver tanks for anti tank ops. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ASH at S-MART
08-12-2004, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
we defanitly should have had heaver tanks for anti tank ops. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Well Jerry didnt have to contend with floating them across the pond on a ship.. Just roll em out the gate and onto a train. When they did.. As in North Afica.. they too had smaller lighter tanks.

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M.R.Maiornikov
08-12-2004, 09:14 PM
The strategy ( tank) game called "Wartime Command" is already in the developpement by (codemasters company)
link : http://www.codemasters.com/wartimecommand/
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Freefalldart
08-13-2004, 12:18 AM
Good idea!
Just give me something like M1 tank platoon 2 but with Tigers, Panthers, Shermans, T-34s... and the possibility of manning one of those legendaries 88mm cannons.

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Luftwaffe_109
08-13-2004, 03:50 AM
"not to mention the damage model on the sherman because we all no the Tiger wasn't as Uber as all those books claim".

My friend, there is a reason why Shermans were nicknamed Ronsons (as in the lighter), because when it was hit, it would "light every single time."

And as for the Tiger, quite frankly it really was as good if not better than most books claim. There was a British saying that whent "when dealing with a Tiger send five Shermans and expect to lose four". The fact is that its powerfull 88mm gun and extra thick armour made it very deadly indeed.

"Well Jerry didnt have to contend with floating them across the pond on a ship.. Just roll em out the gate and onto a train. When they did.. As in North Afica.. they too had smaller lighter tanks."

In December of 1942, Tigers from schwere Panzer Abteilung 501, saw action near Tunis in North Africa. This was barely more than three months after they had first seen combat anywhere (near Leningrad). So yes heavy tanks were used in North Africa also.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-13-2004, 04:20 AM
Um maybe I wasn't being very clear, but my crack about the Sherman v's Tiger etc was meant as a JOKE about the kind off moans and whines we could expect to hear if and when a tank simulator was ever developed. I really wasn't expressing an opinion and really don't require a lesson on the subject.

Still thanks for proving my point. Good luck to anyone trying to pull it off it would seem we have a gang of lab coats just itching to spew data on the subject.

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269GA-Veltro
08-13-2004, 04:29 AM
A Maddox tank sim would be a dream, for sure. A lot of us i mean would be ready to pay for a great WW2 tank sim, West & East Europe.

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I JG3 Troz
08-13-2004, 05:48 AM
I'd love to see oleg do a tank sim, one of my favorite all time games was Panzer Elite...was an awesome game (still is) but suffered from dodgy MP. Never had planes in it, but did have artillery. I think i would rather see Oleg tackle WW I Air War first tho, since it looks like Knights Over Europe may be in trouble.

Isn't it nice how we keep coming up with more things for poor Oleg to do? :P LOL
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Capt.England
08-13-2004, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the link, tHeBaLrOgRoCkS. I may order the two 1/72 scale RC tanks next pay day as this is my favourite scale for tanks.

I think we should try and clone Oleg so that he can get more work done and make new sims for us whiners! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Simjock
08-13-2004, 11:02 AM
Commanding a Tank is really boring. Your crew dose all the work of actually fighting the tank. A good tank commander is ussually buisy on the radios, scanning the environment, and translating map terrains.

A platton Leader has even less to do with his tank as he is really buisy on the radios, and making sure his platton is were their supposed to be, kinda like hearding cats.

Oleg's team would be hard pressed programing all the apropriate AI for tyhe crew positions, and scripting realistic commands.

As a Tank driver I was most concerned with the ground 10-30 ft. in front of me. The fine detail in terrain can make or break a battle. If an inexpierianced driver trys to turn with a boulder under his track you'll pop a track, or if slow down in the mud youll get stuck. Somtimes with all the noise your equal librium gets messed up and you can't tell what kind of a grade your on, resulting in a roll over.

I can't see the reason to bother iomplimenting a loaders station. Loading tank rounds is a cross between body builing, gymnastics, and juggling. You can't do any of that on a computer.

The gunners station is were most players want to be in a game, and is fairly easy to simulate, and most crew members have an asigned crew served weapon, so mutiple machine guns are a must!

back to the drivers station. Simulating diferant ground textures, and effects SHOULD be a secoundary goal to Bullistic dynamics. Zipping across a flat desert, or open feild is no challenge at all.

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maddvmaxx
08-13-2004, 03:44 PM
Give me a Sherman with the 105 mm ,and I'll deal with the Tigers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I do it in CMAK all the time!

buffscrum
08-13-2004, 03:52 PM
Absolutely!! I would kill to get a WW2 tank sim with FB quality. The problem is that tank simming is a tiny slice of the simming market, which isn't that big to begin with. There can't be much money in it. The guys who put together Steelbeasts fund it by selling it to armies first, and likewise for SB2.

Capt_Haddock
08-14-2004, 01:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simjock:
back to the drivers station. Simulating diferant ground textures, and effects SHOULD be a secoundary goal to Bullistic dynamics. Zipping across a flat desert, or open feild is no challenge at all.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

True. You can always try Operation Flashpoint. There are lots of WWII addons out there and the maps are hardly flat. Never seen camouflage work so well in a game.

It's a blast in multiplayer, believe me: Each player can be in charge of 4 tanks (commander in one of them + 3 AI tanks following his orders). With just 4 players you can have 16 tanks rolling over the landscape, and if the blow up your tank you can always finish the war on foot with a bazooka http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 01:44 PM
Dang.. I might have to re-instal OFP.. I stopped playin it about the time the first WWII addon came out.. Was just so hard syncing up all the mods online.. One guy missing one file and the thing fell apart.. Have they addressed that in anyway? Some MOD sync file check or something?

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Capt_Haddock
08-14-2004, 02:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_SMART:
Have they addressed that in anyway? Some MOD sync file check or something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm afraid not. The same problem is still there: all players need the same addons. I'm lucky enough to play at lunchtimes on a LAN so it's all very easy for us. We all share our OFP directories and dump the new stuff as it comes.

It makes you think about how easy it's all in IL2. Releasing new planes through official patched is the only way to keep the game playable online.

Good news for OFP is that a group of dedicated WWII fans released a mega-pack with most WWII addons:

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/news/pics2/WWIICollectioncovers.jpg

Collection Mod Units (560 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWII.rar

Collection Mod Objects (210 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWIIPackobjects.rar

Collection Mod Update (10 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWIIPack%20update%201.rar

It's a rather big pack with 168 armored units, 45 cars and 52 planes. Sadly they didn't include the "Liberation 41-45" models, the best Russian WWII addons out there.
http://ofp.gamezone.cz/_hosted/lib4145/

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ASH at S-MART
08-14-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt_Haddock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_SMART:
Have they addressed that in anyway? Some MOD sync file check or something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm afraid not. The same problem is still there: all players need the same addons. I'm lucky enough to play at lunchtimes on a LAN so it's all very easy for us. We all share our OFP directories and dump the new stuff as it comes.

It makes you think about how easy it's all in IL2. Releasing new planes through official patched is the only way to keep the game playable online.

Good news for OFP is that a group of dedicated WWII fans released a mega-pack with most WWII addons:

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/news/pics2/WWIICollectioncovers.jpg

Collection Mod Units (560 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWII.rar

Collection Mod Objects (210 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWIIPackobjects.rar

Collection Mod Update (10 MB):
ftp://www.gamezone.cz/ofpd/mods/WWIIPack%20update%201.rar

It's a rather big pack with 168 armored units, 45 cars and 52 planes. Sadly they didn't include the "Liberation 41-45" models, the best Russian WWII addons out there.
http://ofp.gamezone.cz/_hosted/lib4145/

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http://www.haddock.f2s.com/sig/azina.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>COOL! Thanks for the information and links!!

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VW-IceFire
08-14-2004, 10:19 PM
Not sure I'd want to be in the tank...but co-ordinated ground/air tactical war would be alot of fun!

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XyZspineZyX
08-14-2004, 10:37 PM
Tigers in '42???? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Uh, you must be mistaken. The first Tigers appeared AT Kursk, didn't they? And Panthers came before Tigers by at least a year.

You got a source for your claim that Tigers were in N. Africa?? I can't imagine Hitler sent his "best new tank" to a theatre he almost went out of his way NOT to properly supply (and there is a LOT of evidence of this, and it drove Rommel to illness, eventually).

woofiedog
08-14-2004, 10:40 PM
That would be Mint!
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Playing On-Line Armor VS. Armor with Friendly Air Support from both sides. WOW!!
How much better could this Game get. You could recreate some Classic Battles of WW2 and be using Air & Land Units.
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XyZspineZyX
08-15-2004, 12:24 AM
Try WWIIOL; their tank module is fairly decent, last I checked. I had to raise holy hell long ago to get them to get accurate sights for the tank main guns, (giving the Germans the benefit of Zeiss Optics as they historically had), but it all worked out, after I supplied them with sight pictures for most of the tanks they had modeled at that point.

panther3485
08-15-2004, 04:59 AM
Hello Stiglr,

Sorry, can't sit on the sideline any longer! You had just the right bait to hook me! (Was it just bait or were you serious?) Just in case you WERE serious, here's the dope on the first service of Tiger and Panther tanks:

The Tiger did in fact see active service during 1942, first on the Eastern Front near Leningrad (as somebody else already posted) and late that year in N. Africa, until the Axis surrender the following Spring. Only very small numbers actually went to Africa, however.

The Panther was, overall, a more modern design (but about 11 tons lighter) that did not see its first taste of action until the battle of Kursk in July 1943, best part of a year after the first Tigers went into action.

Further details can be supplied and references quoted, if you have doubts.

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LuftLuver
08-15-2004, 05:13 AM
Yes, Tigers in North Africa.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-C-Tunisia/img/USA-C-Tunisia-5.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dakpics/tiger05.jpg

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dakpics/tiger01.jpg

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LuftLuver
08-15-2004, 05:17 AM
The second photo shows a Tiger I "Initial" or first-run production model. You can determine this from the slotted or vented exhaust stack covers. I cannot recall for sure, but the Initial may have only served in North Africa.

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Charlie901
08-15-2004, 01:20 PM
A tank sim by Oleg would be the best in an otherwise untapped genre!

charshep
08-15-2004, 03:17 PM
I'm surprised no one else mentioned this but if you're at all interested in tanks or ground warfare, esp. WWII, you owe it to yourself to check out Combat Mission. www.battlefront.com (http://www.battlefront.com)

RotGolem
08-15-2004, 03:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.England:
As Oleg has mentioned that he may add playable tanks in future flight sims, would the flight simmers in this forum buy a full on WW2 Tank sim built to the same high standard as Il2/FB?
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A tank sim from Oleg??

I'll buy two copies ASAP, just to be on the safe side!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Dawg-of-death
08-15-2004, 03:31 PM
Can I just stand in the middle of the street and through rocks at the tanks?
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