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LeadSpitter_
02-09-2004, 07:37 AM
Recent 1c development team proves russian wood are superior to aluminum

wwii actual photo from russian secret documents showing how weak aluminum and iron is

http://www.army.mod.uk/img/royalsignals/rsa/Liverpool/Members_Pics/DR024.jpg

http://hartness.ezhoster.com/truck.jpg

what the world would look like if wood was as strong as it is in FB

http://www.terslose.com/aelmart/pTruckL.jpg

http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/firetruck-outlined.gif


[URL=http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/6_pc_train-coverbig.jpg

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LeadSpitter_
02-09-2004, 07:37 AM
Recent 1c development team proves russian wood are superior to aluminum

wwii actual photo from russian secret documents showing how weak aluminum and iron is

http://www.army.mod.uk/img/royalsignals/rsa/Liverpool/Members_Pics/DR024.jpg

http://hartness.ezhoster.com/truck.jpg

what the world would look like if wood was as strong as it is in FB

http://www.terslose.com/aelmart/pTruckL.jpg

http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/firetruck-outlined.gif


[URL=http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/6_pc_train-coverbig.jpg

http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/6_pc_train-coverbig.jpg

http://www.sandwswingset.com/images/truck.jpg

Rajvosa
02-09-2004, 07:43 AM
Your point being...?

http://stu.wccnet.org/~ecrnovrs/inp150/finalp/sarajevo1/images/sarajevo.jpg

SUPERAEREO
02-09-2004, 07:50 AM
I am sure it is a serious appreciation of the mechanical characteristics and engineering qualities of wood and certainly not yet another whine about the supposed indestructibility of wooden Russian fighters... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
02-09-2004, 07:54 AM
http://server5.uploadit.org/files/pingu666-woodenp47.jpg

touche http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Slush69
02-09-2004, 07:54 AM
I'm afraid that his point is that aluminium should be stronger than wood simply because it's a metal. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Of course that has very little to do with the physical characteristics of wood and aluminium but hey: it's yet another chance to ride that old horse called "VVS bias".

cheers/slush

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AirBot
02-09-2004, 07:57 AM
Yeah, I can see how an American (?) jeep which a roof fell on has everything to do with FB...
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LeadSpitter_
02-09-2004, 08:27 AM
no slush its a joke. right now the luft has the bias, especially in manual 45+kmph extra but you dont hear it much here becuase they are happy and the board is more then 80 luftwhiner, you dont see much talk about the 109 prop stop exploit either.

you can tell who flies for which side by your responses, it is true wooden ac are taking to much damage, just ask yourself why does the yak9u not have any wood in its structure? perhaps damage, divespeed and airframe overstressing...

also if you read about soviet aces checkout why they liked the p40 p39 p63 a20 so much.

real guncamera pretty much proves it not only a couple reels but hundreds.

but others in charge say its propaganda, 100s of realgun camera propaganda bah

lighten up and learn how to take a joke

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Wilie_Wombat
02-09-2004, 08:41 AM
Plus, posting insipid posts like this helps you fill up your day, right?

WW

Rajvosa
02-09-2004, 08:46 AM
LeadSpitter, have you forgotten the Mosquito? And don't say that Mosquito was better because it was British!
In general, I also believe that metal is superior to wood, but there are (rare) exceptions.

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Zen--
02-09-2004, 08:46 AM
I for one thought it was hilarious. Good one Lead, very funny.


Sometimes we all need to take a step back and lighten up some....appreciate the humor in what we see rather than assume that someone is slamming on the game or screaming BIAS BIAS BIAS!


Fact of the matter is...he IS slamming on the game, but in an artistic way.


It's called Satire.



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crazyivan1970
02-09-2004, 08:48 AM
mmm, wooden toys, i remember those, pretty durable...yeaa

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SUPERAEREO
02-09-2004, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
(...)
Fact of the matter is...he IS slamming on the game, but in an artistic way.


It's called Satire.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, silly me! I thought it was just woodwork..!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

LeadSpitter_
02-09-2004, 09:34 AM
when the british mosquito was put into service it was faster then any axis fighter. Many were lost from light ground aa fire and on ship attacks, but not to many were lost to enemy fighters because of thier speed. When they were out performed thier role was switched to nightfighter.

The ammount of damage was not the mosquitos strong point but speed and lightness was. It could outrun most aircraft in level flight but not outdive 109s. The germans even developed a wooden twin engine light ground attack bomber called the ta154 mosquito. But the factory was bombed and all were lost.

Being light, great acceleration and manueverable was a plus but the problem was they could not take much damage, were highly flamable from explosive incediary rounds and had lower dive speeds, and stress limits then aluminum.

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jeroen_R90S
02-09-2004, 09:39 AM
LOL!

I wonder how that steam engine will hold if they light that fire!

Jeroen (dreaming of an easy to repair wooden tank for the dented one currenty on his BMW R90S motorcylce...)

Oso2323
02-09-2004, 09:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Fact of the matter is...he IS slamming on the game, but in an artistic way.

It's called Satire.

I thought it was <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ditto. But then again, I just like playing with wooden trucks. Especially since $%^& Tonka has moved to plastic.

Anyone notice any differences with the late 109's wooden tail?

Chuck_Older
02-09-2004, 10:36 AM
Wow, it's amazing anyone misunderstood. It's a joke, people!

On a serious note, can anyone post different strength properties of aviation plywood (it's not the stuff you get at the lumberyard!), any generic aluminum-take your pick, cast iron, forged iron, cast steel, and forged steel?

I can get the info at work, but I'll have to track down the people. We have an Instron here and I could do the testing, but the Instron's booked for 'serious' research http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

It's funny how people think of metals. My favorite it Titanium. A lot of misinformation on that metal, for sure.

But for real, has anyone ever worked with aircraft grade plywood here? How do you know it's not a strong material? How can you quantify it without knowing much about it?

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Old_Canuck
02-09-2004, 10:44 AM
Like the Zen-man said, Leadspitter, great satire and I really enjoyed those wooden wonders. Must have taken a bit of your time to dig up those images for our entertainment.

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georgeo76
02-09-2004, 11:17 AM
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Platypus_1.JaVA
02-09-2004, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Your point being...?

http://stu.wccnet.org/~ecrnovrs/inp150/finalp/sarajevo1/images/sarajevo.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sure he tries to say thatr he thinks that VVS aircraft are too strong in FB. Alot of the VVS fighters where made from wood.

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Platypus_1.JaVA
02-09-2004, 02:08 PM
Anyways, it should be taken as a joke.

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ye shall be judged: and with what
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AFJ_Locust
02-09-2004, 02:52 PM
A Joke ?

I dont think hes joking from what ive seen yak3 & la7 can take many many 108 hits no problem just keep flying......

ki84- shoot its elevator & alleron off but it still flys like an la7 ?, if you shoot a k4 elevator off its DONE fight over...

Ya 109s have a bug as well its called auto-flipping but I can gaurnte that will be fixed way before any of these super planes will be.

p51 still isint right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif but its a great plane!

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Zen--
02-09-2004, 03:16 PM
What is this auto flipping you speak of?

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MetalG.
02-09-2004, 04:50 PM
Lol good one Lead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif...
I guess some folks didn't get it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif.

Mackane_
02-09-2004, 04:57 PM
People too???http://home.si.rr.com/skywolf/pinnochio.jpg

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tttiger
02-09-2004, 06:17 PM
A good yuk, LS.

Pity you have to explain jokes to some folks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MatuDa_
02-09-2004, 11:28 PM
WOW!!! look at the visibility from this baby!

http://hartness.ezhoster.com/truck.jpg

No bars to hinder the view and it's got simple and easily understood controls http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif One of the best frontline woodcars. A kid could fly it.

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02-09-2004, 11:57 PM
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HarryVoyager
02-10-2004, 12:16 AM
Actually, the primary problem with wood is not that it is weak, per say, but rather that it has a low strength per unit volume.

For example, moving from a wodden wing spar, to a metal wing spar caused no appreciable difference in strength, or mass, but it did allow the Yak-9 to mount extra fuel tanks in the wing spars. (I know I've seen an exact tankage somewhere, but I can't seem to find it right now.)

Additionally, wood is not a material well suited to mass production. It simply isn't consistant from board to board. One has to have special processes dedicated to handling inconsistancies, and both the Lavochkin and Yakolev factories had perpetual problems keeping their aircraft of consistent material quality. Moving over to purely metal construction significantly simplifies mass production.

Finally, there were increasing demands on aircraft grade wood for the Russian gliders. When combined with increasing supplies of aluminium, it made little sense to tie up the relatively limied supplies of wood and wood workers, when aluminium could do the job just as well.

Harry Voyager

BlindHuck
02-10-2004, 01:34 AM
Wasn't the bulk of the volume of the Mossie structure balsa? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
I know it was used as the core of the sandwich stress panels comprising the exterior. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Slush69
02-10-2004, 02:52 AM
Oh, but I do have a sense of humour, look: http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Leadspitter: You and I both know that we had some discussions about the allegded VVS bias in the past. I saw your post as nothing else then yet another unsubstantiated claim that Oleg favours the Russian planes simply because he's Russian.

Obviously this time you've done it in a more fun way than usual, but the same basic problem applies to this post as to earlier posts about VVS bias: There's a lot of opinion, but no proof.

cheers/slush

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Cajun76
02-10-2004, 02:57 AM
So it's true then, Leadspitter does have a sense of humor. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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