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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:02 AM
Whoever has the speed hack or knows its where-abouts, please contact me VIA privat topic and we`ll see what can be done to battle it.

Thanks

V!
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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:02 AM
Whoever has the speed hack or knows its where-abouts, please contact me VIA privat topic and we`ll see what can be done to battle it.

Thanks

V!
Regards,

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

GoodKn1ght
01-14-2004, 11:06 AM
i only fly on 1-3 servers and i know none of the admins will tolerate it so im not worried about it.

"Friends don't let friends fly arcade"

crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:08 AM
There reason for testing is just to confirm that ClientRate can battle it. Oleg said it is..but wouldn`t hurt to check it.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

carguy_
01-14-2004, 11:09 AM
Naw,I won`t give it to you.

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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Naw,I won`t give it to you.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Zen.Fighter
01-14-2004, 11:13 AM
Just google "speedgear 3.01" and you'll find links to limited versions.

crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:15 AM
allrighty... so there is limited and full version i take it?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Zen.Fighter
01-14-2004, 11:21 AM
Exactly. And with only $29.95 you can have the full unlimited version. It's cheaper than rudder pedals or a fine stick but it gives you more success. No one will think twice to buy a winning program.
And by the way, I guess cheaters already have the Super-Deluxe-Extra-Special version of this cheating program which can be used at all games.

crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:
Exactly. And with only $29.95 you can have the full unlimited version. It's cheaper than rudder pedals or a fine stick but it gives you more success. No one will think twice to buy a winning program.
And by the way, I guess cheaters already have the Super-Deluxe-Extra-Special version of this cheating program which can be used at all games.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, let me refrase myself, proud owners of full version, would you like to participate in the battle against this hack? I am a dreamer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Lixma
01-14-2004, 11:37 AM
Was chatting with von-Giro last night and he suggested this....

"Since the game shows the clock in a planes cockpit, it should be possible to send the occasional time stamp in the game to the host. Then the hosts software can compare if anybodies 'clock' is ticking faster, i.e. a gain in one second for every ten would be obvious, and a gain of one in a hundread would still be suspicious."

...hope he doesn't mind me posting it. sounds a good idea but it will mean a bit of coding for Oleg's team.

adlabs6
01-14-2004, 12:10 PM
Happy to see this effort. I'm all for busting this mess open and seeing if there is anything to it. And the clock comparison, if doable, would be a sure method for detection. I cannot imagine a situation where stadard equipment CPU's should be gaining or losing appreciable time over a 2 or 3 hour play span.

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bazzaah2
01-14-2004, 12:18 PM
good to see that you computer literate types are doing something constructive about this.

Good luck! Go get 'em.

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Wing_Over
01-14-2004, 12:27 PM
Agree with bazzaahh!
thanks for (at least tryin` ) to do something against this Bulls*&t!!!!!
Those smelly cheats!!

sambar
01-14-2004, 12:37 PM
Let's get them!
I'm pretty sure once it's been resolved we will not see those people anymore on servers because othervise they will have to really learn how to fly, and that's not what they like to do...and they don't like to think that somebody has greater skill than they do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SKULLS Virga
01-14-2004, 01:09 PM
I agree with adlabs and others... No need to fear talking about this, or to bury our head in the sand. Just need to define it and deal with it. Keep on keep'in on.

Old_Canuck
01-14-2004, 01:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Virga:
I agree with adlabs and others... No need to fear talking about this, or to bury our head in the sand. Just need to define it and deal with it. Keep on keep'in on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
=========================================

Go get 'em, men! We suspect a cheat like this was used in a server yesterday with the original version also. Thanks, Crazy Ivan and others for taking them on.

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Jim81
01-14-2004, 02:38 PM
I think all this **** is made from software houses that are jalous of such succesfull "operas"

i ask myself WHY !

xenios
01-14-2004, 03:31 PM
Good luck with shutting down this cheat. I personally haven't seen it yet, but I believe it exists now. In the meantime, don't let hysteria over a few cheaters keep you from enjoying the game. I only fly coops, and I doubt many cheaters would have the patience to play through an actual mission.

SlickStick
01-14-2004, 04:37 PM
Gents, a noble effort indeed, but Oleg and his team did the testing and proved that MAX LAG settings and speed settings ni the conf.ini file will detect the use of this program, as long as the host uses them correctly.

Remember, use of this program allows internal Operating System clock to be set to any speed, but the tighter you have your MAX LAG set, the less time they can disconnect or warp before detection. You'll find that if you use settings around 0.5-1.0S NEAR and 1.0-1.5S FAR and set the autokick to 3-5 messages, no one can speed gear for longer than .5 secs b4 detection.

Cable players that join a game with 53mS ping should never have to worry about setting off a packet loss detection set at 500mS. Trust me, MAX LAG works like a charm and many around here were involved in the initial testing back in IL2 days, when this cheat was put to rest.

It seems the problem is more people's awareness of the program and how to combat it with MAX LAG settings. The game detects this cheat, hosts must learn to use the settings properly.

After that, no need to accuse...the game will take care of everything.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
01-14-2004, 05:21 PM
And since I read this thread first, instead of Ivan's second, I see we've already walked this road. Pardon my not reading the other thread on this subject before contributing.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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AFJ_Locust
01-15-2004, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:
Just google "speedgear 3.01" and you'll find links to limited versions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great Job tell everyone the name of it, Are you mental???

I hope with all the fibers of my body that OLEG will do something about this !!!

Cheaters EAT DIRT!!!

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AFJ_Locust
01-15-2004, 01:41 AM
SlickStick How do you make it say "player" is cheating instead of just saying Cheating has been detected ?

We caught a Punk using it lastnight in an la7 he eventualy got kicked. mastiff tightned up the maxlag nearlag farlag stuff & it seems to work but he was doing it in short bursts for a while long enough to make a track of him.

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RedDeth
01-15-2004, 01:49 AM
great now everyones seeing cheaters everywhere. this needs to end now and be deleted. everyones getting paranoid. its not the cheaters that will ruin this game its the paranoid people posting here that will scare away every honest pilot. every cheat thread needs deleting immediately.

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IAFS_Painter
01-15-2004, 01:52 AM
Mudmover's FAQ for message:

http://www.mudmovers.com/sturmovik_101/FAQ.htm#How%20do%20I%20change%20the%20cheat%20dete cted%20message

Look for "Q: How do I change the cheat detected message?"

Be careful about using the word "Cheating" with somebody's handle ...

user_cheating3 {0} has a bad connection


Can somebody give explicit advice on setting the config.ini to detect this cheat?


Oh - and when hosting, I see pings above 300ms from people across the pond with dial-up.
I don't want to be auto kicking them just 'cause they don't have a good connection (manual kick is good enough)


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madsarmy
01-15-2004, 02:36 AM
I don't understand why some people want to brush this under the carpet. If there is a cheat for FB out there it needs to be delt with.
I don't mind being shot down all night as long as it's done fairly. I'm not a computer buff so I can't help on the technical side but I can help as with all of us by not using it.
Proved cheaters should be named & shamed.

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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-15-2004, 02:57 AM
I am all for a solution to this, but hopefully using the max lag settings doesnt discriminate us 56k users!!

Anyone know?

Cheers

Tully__
01-15-2004, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FI.Red.Lichtie:
I am all for a solution to this, but hopefully using the max lag settings doesnt discriminate us 56k users!!

Anyone know?

Cheers<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If your connection is good enough to fly, the settings on most servers are generous enough to leave online while still kicking the cheaters.

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DaBallz
01-15-2004, 04:02 AM
A cheat is not a cheat till you get caught,
right Red? The Windows speeder works best
when no one else knows it's there, right Red?
At least dirt has lots of minerals in it, right AFJ?

D***

FI.Red.Lichtie
01-15-2004, 04:17 AM
squeeze me?

As I said Daballz I am all for stopping the speed cheat. I just wanted to know if the new settings hosts are using to try to stop the cheat will give us 56kers problems

Right Daballz

Thanks for the reply Tully

Arnie_OT
01-15-2004, 04:47 AM
I think he meant the other red, RedDeth.
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Ofcourse cheating should be known to people who provide the games, i.e. Oleg and his team and the people running servers. But posting threads like it will be the end of FB is something that I dont agree with, those kind of threads should indeed be deleted if you ask me.

BBloke
01-15-2004, 04:58 AM
Wow. Great work but how would this fair for 56k dialup users?

They often have a ping ranging from 200 - 500+ ms!

BBloke

SlickStick
01-15-2004, 06:01 AM
Ping = Delay. MAX LAG detects packet loss not delay. My conf.ini file sections:

[NET]
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=1.0
nearMaxLagTime=0.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=3

I find that my settings do not kick dial-ups unless they have packet loss, too. You can have a solid dialup connection with a 200-300mS ping and you will never set off the message. One guy even flew my server for over two hours with an 800mS ping and never set off the message once.

These are the 3 lines in the netmessages.properties file, located in i18n folder of FB main folder, you have to edit to show the pilot's name when they set off the message:

Before edit:

user_cheating1 Cheating has been detected!
user_cheating2 Cheating has been detected!
user_cheating3 Cheating has been detected!

After edit:

user_cheating1 {0} Cheating has been detected!
user_cheating2 {0} Cheating has been detected!
user_cheating3 {0} Cheating has been detected!

You can make the messsages say anything you want, but just keep the spacing and {0} indicators correct or certain messages won't work right.

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SlickStick
01-15-2004, 06:19 AM
Also, remember that everybody has to have made the change to their file, too, to see the message.

Just because the Host computer has the {0}s, if each client connected doesn't edit their netmessages.properties file, too, they won't see the name, only the message.

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FI.Red.Lichtie
01-15-2004, 06:41 AM
Thanks for the info slickstick!

That will make us honest 56kers happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers

SlickStick
01-15-2004, 07:55 AM
And there are many, many honest pilots who fly this game. Just because a cheat exists, doesn't mean everyone's using it or will use it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In my experience of over two years flying this series, the percentage that use this type of program is about 10-15% of the overall community across all settings servers and between UBI and HyperLobby. Just my opinion because once you see this cheat first hand and see the message, you can actually see it with your own eyes after awhile and the message is just the kicker.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The best part about MAX LAG and the whole accusing thing reminds me of the old Dow Cleaner Scrubbing Bubbles TV commercial. You older gents will remember the end where they go down the drain....well if MAX LAG is set right,

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SeaFireLIV
01-15-2004, 08:08 AM
I`ve said it before and I`ll say it again...

This why every sim should have an AI offline versionof the multiplayer.

This is why offline play has its merits. It may not be perfect, but at least you know what you`re up against.

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BaldieJr
01-15-2004, 12:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:
A cheat is not a cheat till you get caught,
right Red? The Windows speeder works best
when no one else knows it's there, right Red?
At least dirt has lots of minerals in it, right AFJ?

D***<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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B16Enk
01-15-2004, 01:36 PM
So Oleg & co need to code in a random/periodic NET TIME @ client vs Server.

All windows clients after all.
Firewall gets in the way, but if it is part of the FB code (ie FB polls the system clock on both server and client and compares) then it will pass through the firewall.

Time zone difference can be accounted for, after all it is only the minutes/seconds we are interested in.

For now SlickSticks method suffices, even if it does depend on an alert Server Admin for those that cheat within those parameters.

My 2c worth, but probably valueless really http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IAFS_Painter
01-16-2004, 06:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B16Enk:
So Oleg & co need to code in a random/periodic NET TIME @ client vs Server.

{snip}<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would take a bit more hand-shaking ... but that's essentially it. The algorithm would need to accomodate poor set-up at the client - 'is the clock correct?'
Firewalls would be no more of a problem than they are now - messages get through the 'wall.

Time stamping could be used to improve locating aircraft at the server too (separate problem ... but most of us must have seen weird, lag induced, flight patterns ... Say where the plane was, WHEN, what speed, etc etc - and place it based on that data)

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B16Enk
01-16-2004, 06:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IAFS_Painter:

It would take a bit more hand-shaking ... but that's essentially it. The algorithm would need to accomodate poor set-up at the client - 'is the clock correct?'
Firewalls would be no more of a problem than they are now - messages get through the 'wall.

Time stamping could be used to improve locating aircraft at the server too (separate problem ... but most of us must have seen weird, lag induced, flight patterns ... Say where the plane was, WHEN, what speed, etc etc - and place it based on that data)

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't even need to make sure the clock is 'correct'. Just needs to know what it says now, and then do a comparison at a pre-determined interval.
That way if my clock is 4 years, 6 hours and 22 mins (say http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) slow it won't matter.
Not ideal because an eensy teansy weans bit more data will need to be stored on the server 'client time state'. And this needs to be compared/checked using the chosen algorithm.

Unless of course I have completely misunderstood the way this cheat works.
My understanding is that it varies the clock, is that correct?

muffinstomp
01-16-2004, 07:23 AM
Imagine the rumor this will cause with the time-on-a-slider posse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

SlickStick
01-16-2004, 09:14 AM
Correct, but it varies the internal clock the PC is using to clock your entire Operating System and any program you run during that time.

Obviously, this can cause instability in certain programs, but it works for FB just fine when hosts don't use tight enough MAX LAG settings.

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SlickStick
01-16-2004, 09:16 AM
Oops, was answering B16ENK. Someone was busy grabbing a cherry whilst I was typing.

Ya bastage!!!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif hehe, j/k

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FullFlaps
01-16-2004, 10:09 AM
Thanks to CrazyIvan for publicly making the suggestion to try to at least test this hack and see if there's anything to it and if so, what can be done about it. S!

AFJ_Locust
01-16-2004, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DaBallz:
A cheat is not a cheat till you get caught,
right Red? The Windows speeder works best
when no one else knows it's there, right Red?
At least dirt has lots of minerals in it, right AFJ?

D***<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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