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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 09:22 AM
You may find this hard to believe, but I'm just starting to get into IL-2:FB for the first time since I purchased it on the day it was released. How many months ago was that??

After realizing how porked the flight models were in the release version (compared to IL-2), I decided to wait for the patch. Then my old F-16 TQS broke, and I had to wait to purchase some new Cougar HOTAS gear.

So here it is... my new Cougar setup is ready, IL-2 FB is cooking...

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But now I find that the planes are far too "twitchy" - slight movements of the stick cause gross overresponses and stalls.
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My old F-22/F-16 gear didn't do this. Can anyone give me some hints on what parameter I'm supposed to adjust? Is it the sliders in the game? Or perhaps the "Curve" in "Axis Shaping"? I'm frankly a little lost at the complexity of my new toys. ;>

Thanks!

Istari

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 09:22 AM
You may find this hard to believe, but I'm just starting to get into IL-2:FB for the first time since I purchased it on the day it was released. How many months ago was that??

After realizing how porked the flight models were in the release version (compared to IL-2), I decided to wait for the patch. Then my old F-16 TQS broke, and I had to wait to purchase some new Cougar HOTAS gear.

So here it is... my new Cougar setup is ready, IL-2 FB is cooking...

****
But now I find that the planes are far too "twitchy" - slight movements of the stick cause gross overresponses and stalls.
****

My old F-22/F-16 gear didn't do this. Can anyone give me some hints on what parameter I'm supposed to adjust? Is it the sliders in the game? Or perhaps the "Curve" in "Axis Shaping"? I'm frankly a little lost at the complexity of my new toys. ;>

Thanks!

Istari

Tully__
11-02-2003, 09:58 AM
From the game main menu, select "Hardware Setup" then "Input". This will bring you to the joystick sensitivity settings. You will find 10 sliders, each corresponding to 10% of the joystick range. You can either ask for cougar owners to contribute their suggestions (bearing in mind that setup may different from plane to plane) or play with it yourself.

Though counter intuitive, in some aircraft you may find it better in some aircraft to turn the sensitivity up...`

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Salut
Tully

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 04:25 PM
istari6 wrote:
- You may find this hard to believe, but I'm just
- starting to get into IL-2:FB for the first time
- since I purchased it on the day it was released.
- How many months ago was that??
-
- After realizing how porked the flight models were in
- the release version (compared to IL-2), I decided to
- wait for the patch. Then my old F-16 TQS broke, and
- I had to wait to purchase some new Cougar HOTAS
- gear.
-
- So here it is... my new Cougar setup is ready, IL-2
- FB is cooking...
-
- ****
- But now I find that the planes are far too "twitchy"
- - slight movements of the stick cause gross
- overresponses and stalls.
- ****
-
- My old F-22/F-16 gear didn't do this. Can anyone
- give me some hints on what parameter I'm supposed to
- adjust? Is it the sliders in the game? Or perhaps
- the "Curve" in "Axis Shaping"? I'm frankly a little
- lost at the complexity of my new toys. ;>
-
- Thanks!
-
- Istari
-
-

You have the right idea already. In the HOTAS Cougar control panel you can use axis shaping and deadzone set up to control how the Cougar generates outputs from stick/throttle movements (indeed any axis can be shaped).

Dead zones allow you to control excessive sensitivity at the centre/ends of the axis (I recommend a fairly large centre dead zone on the microstick x/y).

Axis curve allows to to change the output response depending on the axis deflection. A positive axis curve increases the axis gradient close to the centre postion (ie. a small stick movement near the axis centre generates a large output value) and vice versa for a negative curve.

It is very easy to experiment with a variety of set ups with the Cougar as you can use the Foxy Joystick Analysier (a green grid on black icon on the Foxy tool bar) to see how the stick responds to the adjustments you have made.

Finally, the high spring forces on the Cougar take a bit of getting used too, so I guess you will get better with control as you use the Cougar more.

Finally, for all things HOTAS Cougar, check out:

http://cougar.frugalsworld.com/

an excellent site!

Good luck and happy flying /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 04:46 PM
Porked?! Its all a matter of perspective.

First make sure you that you properly calibrate your stick. When you boot into windows the cougar will automatically calibrate itself. You need to move the stick to the extent of all its axis. After that you may want to make sure button emulation is on in the CCP. Then you can go in and set your preference in senstivity in both the panel and game. If it is way to sensitive restart it and go thru the above process. You can also try www.frugalsworld.com (http://www.frugalsworld.com) and look at the cougar forums or when all else fails read that 100 page manual that came with it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 04:55 PM
Stop ham fisting the joystick! Use the rudder more and learn to make gentle input with the joystick /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
11-02-2003, 05:41 PM
I noticed I left a sentence half finsished. It should have read:

A positive axis curve increases the axis gradient close to the centre postion (ie. a small stick movement near the axis centre generates a large output value) and decreases the gradient towards the end of the axis (ie. a large stick movement near the end of the axis generates a small output value, and vice versa for a negative curve.

Thats better /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 09:05 AM
Thanks to all who responded!

(except the guy who pointed out my hamhanded flying... sheesh. I flew IL-2 for many many months - believe me, I know the difference between clumsy flying and joystick setups.)

I'll try playing with the Foxy Joystick analyzer and curve responses, but I'm still unclear on what the sliders in IL-2:FB actually do. The manual is incredibly vague, and telling me that there's one for each 10% of the range still leaves me scratching my head.

Is it a sensitivity scale for each 10%? I.e. the first slider is low, so the first 10% of the joystick range doesn't respond much?

Thanks,

Istari

Tully__
11-03-2003, 12:47 PM
istari6 wrote:
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- Is it a sensitivity scale for each 10%? I.e. the
- first slider is low, so the first 10% of the
- joystick range doesn't respond much?
-
-


That's more or less it. Make sure the last one is set all the way up or you'll be missing part of your control range of motion. For the rest, make it a smooth trasition from slider to slider so that the make a nice smooth line (curved or straight, as suits your flying and the aircraft you fly).

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Salut
Tully

XyZspineZyX
11-03-2003, 02:31 PM
Hi

Make sure you have the Cougar set to auto calibrate in the Couger Control panel. When you boot the PC up move the stiak to its max axis in all planes a couple of timer, so the software can calibrate the stick. Forgeting to do this can can be a cause of the stick feeling over sensitive. Of course if you take off from the ground, a control check is all part of your pre-flight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MB

XyZspineZyX
11-04-2003, 07:13 AM
Yup - it was the auto-calibration on the Cougar that was causing the oversensitivity. I went back and did a manual calibration of all axes, and now it feels just like my old F-22/F-16 gear.

Thanks again for the tips,

Istari