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JG53Frankyboy
01-22-2004, 06:34 AM
i made a short test.
set a flight of Jabos to a groundattack sortie and let cross their way an enemy fighter.
now i watched what they would do- keeping their bombs and going their way to attack the groundtarget ORE throw their bombes away and head the bandit going for dogfight.

there were some surprises http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well here are the planes that kept their bombs till target- so , they can be used as AI Fighterbombers:
Bf110G-2 , with bombs
Bf110C4/B
Fw190F-8
IAR81a
Me210Ca-1

NOT suitable , they went to dogfight!
ALL Fw190A in Jabo outfit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ( no R1, U3, U8, U17 helped !)
Bf109E4/B no comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Bf109E7/B second joke ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
all Bf109F-K

allie fighters have to be testet - much more variants http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

well, could you think about making the Bf109E4/B and 7/B acting like JABOs ?!
and , if possible all Fw190Ax/Ux too ?!

JG53Frankyboy
01-22-2004, 06:34 AM
i made a short test.
set a flight of Jabos to a groundattack sortie and let cross their way an enemy fighter.
now i watched what they would do- keeping their bombs and going their way to attack the groundtarget ORE throw their bombes away and head the bandit going for dogfight.

there were some surprises http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well here are the planes that kept their bombs till target- so , they can be used as AI Fighterbombers:
Bf110G-2 , with bombs
Bf110C4/B
Fw190F-8
IAR81a
Me210Ca-1

NOT suitable , they went to dogfight!
ALL Fw190A in Jabo outfit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ( no R1, U3, U8, U17 helped !)
Bf109E4/B no comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Bf109E7/B second joke ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
all Bf109F-K

allie fighters have to be testet - much more variants http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

well, could you think about making the Bf109E4/B and 7/B acting like JABOs ?!
and , if possible all Fw190Ax/Ux too ?!

JG53Frankyboy
01-22-2004, 04:20 PM
US planes behaviour:

going forward to ground attack with bombs:

P-47D all 3 versions
P-51D both versions !


throwing away their bombs , went to dogfight:
P-40 all variants , fieldmod kept its rockets but is going to dogfight
P-39 all versions

Smokin256
01-23-2004, 02:10 AM
Great post FB!

Because of this, if you want to fly an early Jabo campaign as a wingman you have to open up each mission in the FMB after it's generated & rebuild it, Or it will be an exersize in frustration.

I quickly remove the targets from the escort flight(s), Change the escorts speed to match The Jabo flights. (Keeping in mind that BF-109Fs fly 70-80kph faster than set in the FMB.) Then add waypoints to the Jabo flights & move them so they come into the target area from a slightly different direction & fix the speeds & altitudes. Then just make sure the EA don't have any targets set for them, save the mission & exit. If you do it fast it doesn't ruin the surprise too much. except for the occasional mission where there are no EA or something.

If I'm playing a campaign as a leader I exit the game after each mission is generated, Go into the .mis file & remove the escorts targets, fix their speeds and Remove the targets from any enemy flights. I can lead my flight into the target area without changing the waypoints.

IMHO "escort" and "enemy aircraft" targets in the missions are a crutch. If the mission is written correctly They're not neccessary and they ruin any possibility of unpredictability.

It would sure be nice if they could fix the offending AI. Again Good Pull! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers......Smokin256

Oleg_Maddox
01-23-2004, 05:02 AM
Nothing wrong with the behavior of these listed planes here and in second post
The behavior is right for the time that they need to be used in missions (and how they were used at that time of modelled missions).


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
i made a short test.
set a flight of Jabos to a groundattack sortie and let cross their way an enemy fighter.
now i watched what they would do- keeping their bombs and going their way to attack the groundtarget ORE throw their bombes away and head the bandit going for dogfight.

there were some surprises http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

well here are the planes that kept their bombs till target- so , they can be used as AI Fighterbombers:
Bf110G-2 , with bombs
Bf110C4/B
Fw190F-8
IAR81a
Me210Ca-1

NOT suitable , they went to dogfight!
ALL Fw190A in Jabo outfit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif ( no R1, U3, U8, U17 helped !)
Bf109E4/B no comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
Bf109E7/B second joke ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
all Bf109F-K

allie fighters have to be testet - much more variants http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

well, could you think about making the Bf109E4/B and 7/B acting like JABOs ?!
and , if possible all Fw190Ax/Ux too ?!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

JG53Frankyboy
01-23-2004, 10:14 AM
what a pitty that you think that about Bf109E4/B , the "JaboRei" Fw190Ax/U8 and "Schl├┬Ąchter" Fw190A4/U3 and ...A5/U3+17 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

these planes should have primary Groundattack AI , well, in my opinion. would make the Building of Groundattack sorties easier ( to speak from my VOW mission Admin experience http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

i will be interesting to test how different the Sovjet build planes will behave.

nevertheless ,thanks a lot for your patient reply !

LEXX_Luthor
01-23-2004, 06:36 PM
I found that when you can expect the Jabo fighters to run into enemy aircraft, if the Jabos are following their final Ground Attack waypoint, they keep bombs and keep flying to the target. Of course, once they get off the airfield and head to enemy lines, only one Ground Attack waypoint can be given, because the Jabos may attack the targets at their first Ground Attack waypoint. So have Jabos take off and make their next waypoint the final Ground Attack waypoint. ie....they fly straight from airfield to target (with no diversions enroute unfortunately).

It seemed to work for the few times I tried it. Even R~10 drops bombs and attacks *any* enemy aircraft it spots...unless it is following a Ground Attack waypoint. Does this work for all Jabos?

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