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Platypus_1.JaVA
05-16-2004, 01:56 PM
The new Catalyst 4.5 drivers are out!! They said they fixed the performance decrease in "perfect" mode in Il-2 FB. Does anyone know these drivers work better?

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Platypus_1.JaVA
05-16-2004, 01:56 PM
The new Catalyst 4.5 drivers are out!! They said they fixed the performance decrease in "perfect" mode in Il-2 FB. Does anyone know these drivers work better?

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.

Placed 3rd, with team, in the official european championship Il-2/FB

h009291
05-16-2004, 02:06 PM
They are ****. There was a post a few days ago that showed about 10 guys that had tried them ... Perfect fixed? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

Not!

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Eagle_361st
05-16-2004, 02:09 PM
Perfect is not fixed, unfortuantely. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Here's hoping that 4.6 will get it right again. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Snyde-Dastardly
05-16-2004, 02:25 PM
What a pain in the ars!

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Nub_322Sqn
05-16-2004, 02:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
The new Catalyst 4.5 drivers are out!! They said they fixed the performance decrease in "perfect" mode in Il-2 FB. Does anyone know these drivers work better?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Noooo, really?

Your a few days late, everybody already discussed this when they actually came out a few days ago.

They run better in Excellent mode then the 4.4 drivers but don't run well in Perfect mode.

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BM357_Mud
05-16-2004, 06:07 PM
Unfortunately, the last stable driver release for me was 3.7
anything after that results in inexplicable screen crashes to black, aka loss of video signal from the card. After underclocking the card by 15% on both core and memory frequencies, the problem went away. As such, it can be safely concluded that the ATI card that i have twice RMA'd in it's short history in my machine, and had twice "replaced" by ATI, has been assembled by simians. 2 times i have returned this pile to ATI and explained this instability at or even near the card's advertised clockspeeds, and twice the card has been "replaced", as the tech order says upon return of the card to me. What ATI failed to do was realize that i am not an a.sshat, and i AM liable to check the serial number upon reciept of the "new" card. Anyone able to guess where this is headed? I thought so. 2x now they have openly lied with a tech order of "tested and replaced board... no difficulties found on new board at prescribed core and memory frequency". Rubbish.
I realize that some of you are screaming inside as you read this... what about your system? is it really compatible? Yes. and it was tried in 3 seperate and COMPLETELY different architectures just to make sure. First was an old Intel 440GX board. To those unfamiliar, that would be an old dual p2-p3 system. No biggie that this board was flaky in there... i wasnt expecting much with the MB supporting such an old agp revision. Then it was tried in an AMD powered machine. Forgive me that i don't know the mb manufacturer or the chipset manufacturer, but i believe it to be a stable system with an older nvidia card in it now. No go again, this time with strange results including flashing horizontal bars, and even bootup DOS mode text corruption. The third machine is my current setup, which is an Intel-based i7505 chipset MB. That's a dual 533fsb Xeon board, if you're interested. 8x AGP, support for AGP pro if i needed it, completely regulatable voltages to each of the expansion slots indepentantly... etc. More than configurable enough to meet the needs of a card that wasn't horribly flawed off the production line. The system is powered by a 550W enermax power supply, and NOT their econo line, either... this psu is everything that you'd want to purchase for a system that would end up running 24/7 and doing mostly 3d rendering inside of Maya. Mission critical? You bet!... ample power for a 400 dollar video card? you'd think...
The product of this system plus the HARDWARE of the card alone? perfection. As long as you don't install the drivers meant for the card, there are no crashes, no "infinite loop" errors inside of XP, no hiccups whatsoever. I installed the card as an ATI FireGL X1 128MB in one copy of my OS to accomplish my 3d work... with the rivatuner's soft FireGL, it performed flawlessly. The other copy of the OS was installed as an ATI all in wonder 9700 pro, which the card is. 3d design os... perfect. Card installed as what it FRIGGING IS OS... utter failure... Infinite loop crashes, text distortion, failure to run 3d apps at ALL until i disabled agp fast writes... and utter failure to reach it's advertised clock speed. ever. Couple that with horrible support that lies to its customers, and cheats them out of a 400 dollar product that performs as advertised, and i'll never buy another "built by ATI" card again.
I can only assume that the fateful day my card's parts arrived before the simian on the assembly line, the zoologist feeding the simian his banana earlier had stuck the banana in the wrong end of said simian.

6800 Ultra.... here i come, baby.
Mud out.

Nub_322Sqn
05-17-2004, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BM357_Mud:
Unfortunately, the last stable driver release for me was 3.7
anything after that results in inexplicable screen crashes to black, aka loss of video signal from the card. After underclocking the card by 15% on both core and memory frequencies, the problem went away. As such, it can be safely concluded that the ATI card that i have twice RMA'd in it's short history in my machine, and had twice "replaced" by ATI, has been assembled by simians. 2 times i have returned this pile to ATI and explained this instability at or even near the card's advertised clockspeeds, and twice the card has been "replaced", as the tech order says upon return of the card to me. What ATI failed to do was realize that i am not an a.sshat, and i AM liable to check the serial number upon reciept of the "new" card. Anyone able to guess where this is headed? I thought so. 2x now they have openly lied with a tech order of "tested and replaced board... no difficulties found on new board at prescribed core and memory frequency". Rubbish.
I realize that some of you are screaming inside as you read this... what about your system? is it really compatible? Yes. and it was tried in 3 seperate and COMPLETELY different architectures just to make sure. First was an old Intel 440GX board. To those unfamiliar, that would be an old dual p2-p3 system. No biggie that this board was flaky in there... i wasnt expecting much with the MB supporting such an old agp revision. Then it was tried in an AMD powered machine. Forgive me that i don't know the mb manufacturer or the chipset manufacturer, but i believe it to be a stable system with an older nvidia card in it now. No go again, this time with strange results including flashing horizontal bars, and even bootup DOS mode text corruption. The third machine is my current setup, which is an Intel-based i7505 chipset MB. That's a dual 533fsb Xeon board, if you're interested. 8x AGP, support for AGP pro if i needed it, completely regulatable voltages to each of the expansion slots indepentantly... etc. More than configurable enough to meet the needs of a card that wasn't horribly flawed off the production line. The system is powered by a 550W enermax power supply, and NOT their econo line, either... this psu is everything that you'd want to purchase for a system that would end up running 24/7 and doing mostly 3d rendering inside of Maya. Mission critical? You bet!... ample power for a 400 dollar video card? you'd think...
The product of this system plus the HARDWARE of the card alone? perfection. As long as you don't install the drivers meant for the card, there are no crashes, no "infinite loop" errors inside of XP, no hiccups whatsoever. I installed the card as an ATI FireGL X1 128MB in one copy of my OS to accomplish my 3d work... with the rivatuner's soft FireGL, it performed flawlessly. The other copy of the OS was installed as an ATI all in wonder 9700 pro, which the card is. 3d design os... perfect. Card installed as what it FRIGGING IS OS... utter failure... Infinite loop crashes, text distortion, failure to run 3d apps at ALL until i disabled agp fast writes... and utter failure to reach it's advertised clock speed. ever. Couple that with horrible support that lies to its customers, and cheats them out of a 400 dollar product that performs as advertised, and i'll never buy another "built by ATI" card again.
I can only assume that the fateful day my card's parts arrived before the simian on the assembly line, the zoologist feeding the simian his banana earlier had stuck the banana in the wrong end of said simian.

6800 Ultra.... here i come, baby.
Mud out.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never had any problems with any video card I owned, Diamond, 3Dfx, Nvidia TNT, Nvidia GeForce or ATI Radeon.

The only problem I had so far was with a P4 system a while back and it was not because of the graphics card.
At the moment I have a AMD64 system and it's rock stable with the 9800Pro 256MB DDRII.

All my previous ATI cards are still being used by friends of mine, my sister and my girlfriend and all are still working and they all upgraded the drivers when new ones where released and I never heard them complain about black screens, signal loss or anything.

My next card is going to be a X800XT because I don't feel like fiddeling around with 2 power connectors that need to be connected directly from the PSU to the new GeForce card.
This would mean I have to re-wire my entire system to make one available.
With the X800XT I only have to unplug my 9800Pro and connect the X800XT.

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Jasko76
05-17-2004, 02:02 AM
Sad to read this, Mud! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

I understand if you feel cheated and even abandoned by ATI folks, I know I would! However, I'm not, and neither is anyone I know. So you must have had that single, rotten, one in a million **** card.

Here is what you should do, providing your warranty is still valid. Fry the card. Burn the hell out of it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif Electricute it! Once it is really and truly dead, they'll have no onter option but to give you a new card.
I tryed this system and it works. They replaced my Voodoo 3 with a Voodoo 4 (back in 2000) after I fryed the V3. No questions asked, but this was in Sweden. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Regards,

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Fehler
05-17-2004, 07:40 AM
It is unfortunate that you get involved with **** RMA at times. A year ago, I was struggling with an Asus A7V8X-X board. I had bought 3 of them and one was bad. RMA, "Replaced" same problem. RMA again, "Replaced" again, same problem. I suspected that "Replaced" meant "Replaced the packaging and send it back," so I put a small magic marker dot on the side of the board, and sure enough, my "Replaced" board was in fact the original one.

So I took matters into my own hands and shorted out the board. You can do this by reversing the polarity of a couple power connectors pretty easily.

The next time I got a "Replaced" board, it was a new board, and is still powering my system today, so lazy RMA's can be dealt with, with underhanded techniques.

All in all, the shipping costs were probably more than a new board anyways.

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Jasko76
05-18-2004, 01:26 AM
Well I installed 4.5s yesterday - and they're GREAT! Perfect works as fine as ever (using the old ogl trick) and there have been a noticeable increase in frame rates in other games.

I warmly recommend them!


Regards,

Jasko
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Slechtvalk
05-18-2004, 03:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>using the old ogl trick<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?

CaptainGelo
05-18-2004, 03:20 AM
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Jasko76
05-18-2004, 03:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slechtvalk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>using the old ogl trick<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use ati.ogl (I think it's called like that) from Cat 4.1 drivers. It only affects the Il-2. This way I get all the good stuff from the new driver while being able to run Il-2 in perfect. Clear as mud? I thought so!

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