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VitoAuditore
10-19-2015, 01:14 AM
I've been wondering this for a while now...
every templar's motto has something to do with the father of understanding. does anyone know who they're actually talking about? my first thought was someone of those who came before, who maybe founded the templars? maybe even Aita? because in unity, Germain spoke about the father of understanding as if he knew what his plan for the future was, and he's a sage ofc. on a second note, all sages are connected to aita, right? so, who is the father of understanding?

I-Like-Pie45
10-19-2015, 01:22 AM
like god its just a fancy figment of peoples imaginations

UbiSmarmy
10-19-2015, 01:58 AM
I've been wondering this for a while now...
every templar's motto has something to do with the father of understanding. does anyone know who they're actually talking about? my first thought was someone of those who came before, who maybe founded the templars? maybe even Aita? because in unity, Germain spoke about the father of understanding as if he knew what his plan for the future was, and he's a sage ofc. on a second note, all sages are connected to aita, right? so, who is the father of understanding?

Some historians say that Baphomet was considered the Father of Understanding by the Templars. You can read more about it on the Wikipedia page for Baphomet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet). It's interesting, the Templars are mentioned in the first paragraph, and if you go down to the Alternative etymologies section they mention The Father of Understanding. It's an interesting read.

VestigialLlama4
10-19-2015, 03:15 AM
I've been wondering this for a while now...
every templar's motto has something to do with the father of understanding. does anyone know who they're actually talking about? my first thought was someone of those who came before, who maybe founded the templars? maybe even Aita? because in unity, Germain spoke about the father of understanding as if he knew what his plan for the future was, and he's a sage ofc. on a second note, all sages are connected to aita, right? so, who is the father of understanding?

Assassin's Creed the games were highly inspired by Patrice Desilets reading up several books. One was Alamut by Vladimir Bartol, another was A History of Secret Socieites by Arkon Daraul (https://archive.org/details/AHistoryOfSecretSocietiesArkonDaraul1961). Here's PD talking about Arkon Daraul (http://www.itnewslink.com/article.php?id_article=15461):

Anyway, according to that book, the "Father of Understanding" is a theory about the origins of Baphomet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet#cite_note-37). Historically, when the Templars were purged by the French King (for sort-of understandable reasons), he and his retinue invented a host of wild accusations against them, extracted under torture and from defectors and informants. The weirdest and strangest accusation, even by medieval standards, was that the Templars had stopped being Christians and had become a cult dedicated to worshipping Baphomet, a quasi-pagan deity. They also said that the Templars were into homosexual orgies because of course this is the Middle Ages. Historians have a range of theories about Baphomet which nobody can really agree on.

The "Father of Understanding" in the games I thought was meant as a metaphor. That the Templars are shaped by a patriarchal belief that a male leader will lead them, guide them and bring order. So it's meant to serve the same kind of function as the Christian God, in its patriarchal aspect, does for Christians. I don't think the "Father of Understanding" is a person and it's definitely not Aita.

ACZanius
10-19-2015, 06:16 AM
I believe it is some sort of entity, maybe first civilization member..who knows

SenseHomunculus
10-19-2015, 01:55 PM
Some historians say that Baphomet was considered the Father of Understanding by the Templars. You can read more about it on the Wikipedia page for Baphomet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet). It's interesting, the Templars are mentioned in the first paragraph, and if you go down to the Alternative etymologies section they mention The Father of Understanding. It's an interesting read.

That's a cool read, thank you!

I knew about the historical Baphomet but never made the tie-in to AC's Templars! Cool.

VitoAuditore
10-19-2015, 03:20 PM
yeah, thanks for the responses guys! damn I do feel stupid now, lol. I never knew all of this. another thing learned, I guess :p anyways, thanks!

cawatrooper9
10-19-2015, 03:33 PM
Plus, there were several references to Baphomet in Unity. Perhaps a more tangible connection will be made in the future? The series contains POEs, ancient advanced civilizations, "gods"... it wouldn't be that much more bizarre for them to include a physical representation of Baphomet- perhaps as a counter to Juno (wouldn't that be a twist!)

Hans684
10-19-2015, 03:35 PM
Baphomet isn't the Father Of Understanding, I think Darby said that on tweeter some time ago.

VestigialLlama4
10-19-2015, 04:18 PM
Baphomet isn't the Father Of Understanding, I think Darby said that on tweeter some time ago.

Well the fact is the idea of "Father of Understanding" comes from Baphomet. The book I mentioned, "A History of Secret Societies" by Arkon Daraul (Idries Shah) , argues that Baphomet is a corruption of the Arab word Abu Fihamat which means father of understanding. And Patrice Desilets said that along with Alamut was his main inspiration for Assassin's Creed, so obviously he made everyone read it.

There are many theories about Baphomet. The French monarchy accused the Templars of worshipping a red-skinned hermaphrodite with a goat's head. (http://beforeitsnews.com/mediadrop/uploads/2015/40/7a6403461b9d6a7041954f045b5dde5dbbbf079f.jpg). The most accepted theory is that Baphomet was a corruption of the Prophet Mohammed, via the French version of his name, Mahomet. This was also accepted in the 19th Century occult by Aleister Crowley who naturally took Baphomet as his personal role model.

So when Darby McDevitt said that the Father of Understanding is not Baphomet, what he means it's not the Red Skin half-man-half-woman-half-goat.

It could be that he was inspired by this novel The Baphomet (http://www.amazon.com/The-Baphomet-Pierre-Klossowski/dp/1568860560), it was a cult novel from the 60s and as a literary major, McDevitt would know of it. It's a surreal novel about the Templar persecution and it basically imagines Baphomet as a kind of shining deity, who's actually quite beautiful.The author, Pierre Klossowski, who is French argues that Baphomet is a stand in for "Basileus philosophorum metaloricum: the sovereign of metallurgical philosophers, that is, of the alchemical laboratories that were supposedly established in various chapters of the Temple"

RA503
10-19-2015, 08:17 PM
Don't forget also that exist some interpretations that Baphomet is the Shroud http://historum.com/speculative-history/46412-templars-shroud-baphomet.html

because of it maybe we have the answer very soon...