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VMF-214_HaVoK
09-03-2004, 06:30 PM
From the plane list I have viewed I have seen no mention of the FG-4. As much as I would like to have the 1C version with the four 20mm it entered in Apr-45 with only 200 or so built while the FG-4 entered in Oct-44 with 2,360 or so built. I wonder if we will ever see it in PF?

Also I would also agree with many that there seems to be a huge lack in fighter choices for Japan with alot of them being AI only. Seems to me it will be tuff to get even teams and such when trying to have historical matchups.

Anybody care to offer some insight on this matter? Or do you feel its still too early to discuss such matters and just wait for the release and discuss it then if at all?

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VMF-214_HaVoK
09-03-2004, 06:30 PM
From the plane list I have viewed I have seen no mention of the FG-4. As much as I would like to have the 1C version with the four 20mm it entered in Apr-45 with only 200 or so built while the FG-4 entered in Oct-44 with 2,360 or so built. I wonder if we will ever see it in PF?

Also I would also agree with many that there seems to be a huge lack in fighter choices for Japan with alot of them being AI only. Seems to me it will be tuff to get even teams and such when trying to have historical matchups.

Anybody care to offer some insight on this matter? Or do you feel its still too early to discuss such matters and just wait for the release and discuss it then if at all?

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If this has been discussed before I apologize. I cant visit the forum everyday.

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stansdds
09-03-2004, 07:46 PM
Actually the FG-4 was a very low production version, 2,371 were ordered, 17 were under construction at the time of the Japanese surrender and all 17 were scrapped right on the assembly line.

The F4U-4 faired better with 2,045 being built. The F4U-4 production contract was awarded on January 25, 1944. The first production F4U-4 made its first flight on September 20, 1944 and was accepted by the Navy on October 31, 1944. The F4U-4 and F4U-4B (4 20mm cannons) made their combat debut on April 7, 1945.

[This message was edited by stansdds on Fri September 03 2004 at 06:54 PM.]

SkyChimp
09-03-2004, 08:19 PM
I certainly hope we get a larger selection of flyable Japanese types.

As far as the F4U-4, I think it ought to be included. It made it into service before the close of WWII in much larger numbers than the F4U-1C. It debuted over Okinawa along with the F4U-1C. The -4 was the finest of the WWII Corsairs (maybe of all Corsairs), and possibly the best all-round fighter of WWII.

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necrobaron
09-03-2004, 08:27 PM
In regards for flyable Japanese planes, I too would be worried if we lived in a world without patches. Since we don't, I'm sure many more will be added(along with cockpits) in the weeks/months/years(?) following PF's release. Of course the plane lists we've seen thus far have still been WIPs, so it's quite possible that there may be more in the initial release than we realize.

IL2 originally didn't have a huge variety of planes either, but look at where we are now. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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VMF-214_HaVoK
09-03-2004, 08:33 PM
Is there a lack of reference material for Japanese cockpits? It kind of seems that way with a large number of planes being AI only. Ofcoarse Im going off of checksix's plane list and seeing how PF is a few months away from release (I hope) maybe others will make it in as flyable.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
09-03-2004, 08:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stansdds:
Actually the FG-4 was a very low production version, 2,371 were ordered, 17 were under construction at the time of the Japanese surrender and all 17 were scrapped right on the assembly line.

The F4U-4 faired better with 2,045 being built. The F4U-4 production contract was awarded on January 25, 1944. The first production F4U-4 made its first flight on September 20, 1944 and was accepted by the Navy on October 31, 1944. The F4U-4 and F4U-4B (4 20mm cannons) made their combat debut on April 7, 1945.

[This message was edited by stansdds on Fri September 03 2004 at 06:54 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I metioned FG4 I was talking about F4U-4. From articles I have read it states that the F4U-4 was also known as the FG4. I may be mistaken. If so then Im not asking about FG4 but rather F4U-4. (Did that make sense) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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necrobaron
09-03-2004, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Is there a lack of reference material for Japanese cockpits? It kind of seems that way with a large number of planes being AI only. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's entirely possible. Many Japanese planes(even some of the well known examples) were not built in huge numbers, at least compared to production figures of other countries. And there are even fewer(if any) existing today. The Ki-43 was the mainstay fighter of the JAAF, and only a handful still exist today. I think only one is still even in flyable condition.

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stansdds
09-04-2004, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> From articles I have read it states that the F4U-4 was also known as the FG4. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The FG Corsairs were built under license by Goodyear. (Yeah, the tire and rubber people).
Goodyear produced FG-1's, FG-1A's and FG-1D's and that is all they produced. The FG-1 and -1A's lacked arrestor hooks and hydraulic wing folding mechanisms. The FG-1D's are easy to spot because they are the only -1D's to have the antenna wire enter the port side of the fuselage just aft and below the cockpit. This was later carried over to Vought's F4U-4 and all later variants of the Corsair.

The F3A Corsairs were built by Brewster Aircraft and gained an undeservedly bad reputation for poor quality. Perhaps this was a carry over from the Brewster Buffalo, which was obsolete by 1941, but were still in front line service and were not well regarded by Navy pilots when hostilities began.

Brewster built F3A-1's, F3A-1A's and some F3A-1D's. Almost all of the Brewster built Corsairs were sent out on the lend-lease agreements.

[This message was edited by stansdds on Sat September 04 2004 at 12:32 PM.]

SkyChimp
09-04-2004, 05:47 PM
Brewster had a bad reputation because it was long suspected German saboteurs had infiltrated the plant and built quality problems into the planes. This was mainly due to the high incidences of landing gear failures on F2A-3s during carrier landings. Apparently, Brewster's Corsairs weren't any worse than Vought's or Goodyear's.

Brewster has the dubious honor of being the only major US defense contractor to go out of business DURING WWII.

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Snootles
09-04-2004, 08:09 PM
Yeah, what did they make in WWII?

There's the F2A Buffalo, which the Finnish liked but really didn't work out well for the Navy and Marines. The SBA, produced as the SBN by the Naval Aircraft Factory because Brewster didn't have the production capacity for it- an unremarkable dive-bomber used almost entirely for training. And then there's the SB2A Buccaneer, even more mediocre, used almost entirely for second-line duties by the Navy, Marine Corps, and the Royal Air Force who realized that their confidence in the design had been misplaced.

stansdds
09-05-2004, 06:40 AM
Not all companies produce successful designs, Brewster is one such example. Brewster was founded in 1810 and was a carriage builder. They did not start building aircraft until 1935, so they did not have much experience with aircraft. It took them two years to go from the drawing board to test flying their first design, other companies were much faster. Once orders were placed, they were slow to produce aircraft in large numbers. This is believed to be the real reason the U.S. Navy shut down the Brewster production line. Brewster built quality Corsairs, but they were constantly behind schedule.