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Luftcaca
08-01-2004, 07:41 PM
Im currently flying this plane (M 71) in a russian campaign over Leningrad, 1943
and boy that plane OWNS, totally
I knew it had very good flight characteristics in 1942 outclimbing any russian planes of tha time but boy, I mean currently it outclimbs EASILY the G-2 and the 190 A5 and it almost makes the La5/La5F obsolete...Im asking myself, if it was THAT good, I mean AWESOME like it is in AEP, why oh why did the russians never produced it in masses?

I know it was a good plane, but isnt it a wee bit uber currently? Especially the climb rate.
Did anyone made any tests about the climbrate and compared it to other planes? and also is the ammo count correct? actually it carries an awesome amount of 20 mm shells Im not saying its not accurate but I just wanna know

thx in advance

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Luftcaca
08-01-2004, 07:41 PM
Im currently flying this plane (M 71) in a russian campaign over Leningrad, 1943
and boy that plane OWNS, totally
I knew it had very good flight characteristics in 1942 outclimbing any russian planes of tha time but boy, I mean currently it outclimbs EASILY the G-2 and the 190 A5 and it almost makes the La5/La5F obsolete...Im asking myself, if it was THAT good, I mean AWESOME like it is in AEP, why oh why did the russians never produced it in masses?

I know it was a good plane, but isnt it a wee bit uber currently? Especially the climb rate.
Did anyone made any tests about the climbrate and compared it to other planes? and also is the ammo count correct? actually it carries an awesome amount of 20 mm shells Im not saying its not accurate but I just wanna know

thx in advance

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early 110's
IL-10
Pe-3

LEXX_Luthor
08-01-2004, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He 100D-1
:
But the big change was the eventual abandonment of the surface cooling system, which proved to be too complex and failure prone. Instead an even larger version of the retractable radiator was installed, and this appeared to completely cure the problems. The radiator was inserted in a "plug" below the cockpit, and as a result the wings were widened slightly.

While the plane didn't match it's design goal of 700km/h once it was loaded down with weapons, the larger canopy and the radiator, it was still capable of speeds in the 400mph range. A low drag airframe is good for both speed and range, and as a result the He 100 had a combat radius between 900 and 1000km compared to the 109's 600km[http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif]. While not in the same league as the later escort fighters, this was at the time a superb range and may have offset the need for the 110 to some degree.

By this point the war was underway, and as the Luftwaffe would not purchase the plane in its current form, the production line was shut down.

~~&gt; http://www.fact-index.com/h/he/heinkel_he_100.html

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He 100 in service http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
The remaining twelve He 100D-1c fighters were used to form Heinkel's Marienehe factory defense unit, flown by factory test pilots. They replaced the earlier He 112's that were used for the same purpose, and the 112's were later sold off. At this early stage in the war there were no bombers venturing that far into Germany, and it appears that the unit never saw action. The eventual fate of the D-1's remains unknown.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Cragger
08-01-2004, 08:58 PM
Engine reliability issues, political disfavor, equivlent performance in the La series.

In the grand scheme of things sometimes shutting down production lines or building new ones and retooling specifically for a new instrument of war during a time of war that would lead to a momentary drop in production output of needed equipment especially when that equipment is not significantly better than current issue is often disasterous.

Same reasons killed the Curtis XP-42, XP-46, XP-53, XP-60, and XP-62.

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XyZspineZyX
08-01-2004, 09:45 PM
All these reasons stated are all excellent reasons to relegate this plane to the dustbin of history, instead of shoehorning it into the sim with no "controls" on it... thus, suddenly the VVS is "fully outfitted" with a plane that didn't really cut the mustard.

When you take out the trash, take "all 6" of those MiG-3Us and those 109Zs with you. Add lighter fluid and set it ablaze using the "afterburner" of the Bi-1.

Hoarmurath
08-02-2004, 01:03 AM
you forgot Go229 and YP80 Stiglr

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robban75
08-02-2004, 03:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Luftcaca:
Did anyone made any tests about the climbrate and compared it to other planes? thx in advance

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I made some climbtests with it but I don't have the numbers avaliable right now, but it does climb very well. It will easily outclimb almost any plane in 1942, with the exception of the G-2. The I-185 even compares favourably to late 44-45 fighters. It wont outclimb the La-7 and K-4, nor will it outfly them, but it sure has a better chance than any of the other late war planes.

The 3D model is excellent and it handles very nice. My biggest gripe about this prototype fighter is that it will easily turn with an La-5 or La-7, despite the fact that it was deliberatly built with a high wingloading(like the Fw 190) in order to reach higher topspeeds. In AEP the I-185 hardly suffers from its RL "shortcommings". It is fast for sure, like it should be, and it climbs well, like it should but it also turns VERY well which it shouldn't.
It can also take an insane number of hits of 20mm rounds. In this case however I don't blame the plane I blame the current weakness of the LW's 20mm guns.

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p1ngu666
08-02-2004, 06:17 AM
nice plane, and u need combat flaps to turn well, and it gets stiff at high speeds.
but on the other hand its close to la7 in max speed
i like it, but im not stiglr http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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XyZspineZyX
08-02-2004, 09:36 AM
The YP80 eventually became the Shooting Star, right? So, although it has no business being in WWII, makes it arguably a "real" plane: of course, it's only there so WestWhiners will have something to compete with a Me262 or Me163 (conveniently forgetting that the legend of the 262 was that the Allies had only one plane that *might* have been able to deal with it, but they kept it away from frontline service for fear one might be captured).

Yes, get rid of the Gotha, too. Destroy ALL the hardly-flews.

Cragger
08-02-2004, 09:44 AM
MiG-3u and I-185 where built and did see combat action. Does this not make them 'real' planes.

I only have two problems with certain aircraft in planesets.

1. Aircraft that never flew so there is no possible way to have a accurate flight model (109Z).

2. Aircraft that are so good that are represented in unhistorical numbers. (Anytime a Me262 is available on a map.)

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crazyivan1970
08-02-2004, 09:55 AM
So i had I-185 on my server, with the rest of 1942-1943 birds. Nothing special in my book. It`s a good plane, but that`s about it. Nothing extra-ordinary about it. AI is a bad example to compare with IMO. Funny thing is, even that I-185 was available... out of 12 or so pilots on the red side... I`v seen I-185 maybe once or twice. Most of the planes were Lagg-3, Il-2s with the side of La5fn`s. Maybe something about that plane is not that great after all.
I also think that it`s all himan mentality, meaning: once we hear word prototype...or "produced in limited numbers" it instantly triggers extra attention to particular plane and we are staring to look for those tiny little "uber" details that will give us a perfect excuse to ban it. Just my 02c.

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p1ngu666
08-02-2004, 10:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
The YP80 eventually became the Shooting Star, right? So, although it has no business being in WWII, makes it arguably a "real" plane: of course, it's only there so WestWhiners will have something to compete with a Me262 or Me163 (conveniently forgetting that the legend of the 262 was that the Allies had only one plane that *might* have been able to deal with it, but they kept it away from frontline service for fear one might be captured).

Yes, get rid of the Gotha, too. Destroy ALL the hardly-flews.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Tooz_69GIAP
08-02-2004, 10:31 AM
I-185 is a nice aircraft. It is damned fast (the M-71 version at least is second in top speed only to the La-7 3xB-20 - at least according to the figures in Hardballs Aircraft Viewer), and it climbs well.

It does turn well, but like the 190 has a tendency to snap roll and stall out when turning too sharply. You really have to watch it in the turns.

whit ye looking at, ya big jessie?!?!

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
So i had I-185 on my server, with the rest of 1942-1943 birds. Nothing special in my book. It`s a good plane, but that`s about it. Nothing extra-ordinary about it. AI is a bad example to compare with IMO. Funny thing is, even that I-185 was available... out of 12 or so pilots on the red side... I`v seen I-185 maybe once or twice. Most of the planes were Lagg-3, Il-2s with the side of La5fn`s. Maybe something about that plane is not that great after all.
I also think that it`s all himan mentality, meaning: once we hear word prototype...or "produced in limited numbers" it instantly triggers extra attention to particular plane and we are staring to look for those tiny little "uber" details that will give us a perfect excuse to ban it. Just my 02c.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As I said, I havent tried it once online or in a quick mission. I am flying it in a campaign and after something like 5 missions Im still astounded at just how pathetic the German planes of that era looks to me, and its 43 not 42. I met some 190A5 so far, and they are even easier than when Im flying La7 in late 44. I dont consider it as a tiny uber advantage when a plane of 42 can own everything til the end of the war, of course the AI is not a good opponent to establish comparison but Ive never outpassed, outclimbed and outeverthinged ennemy fighters so easily in any campaigns b4

But Ive been telling myself...if the prototype flew in 42, when would the first mass produced I-185 reach the squadrons? 43, even late 43?

Maybe including it in a 42/early 43 campaigns is part of the problem...

edit: the prototype flew in 42 or 41?

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crazyivan1970
08-02-2004, 11:19 AM
If Stalin didn`t have personal beef with Polikarpov, i`d say early 1943 I-185s would hit production lines. If memory serves me well, I-185 saw field trials in November-December 1942, but.. they did have problems with engines...

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 11:44 AM
Heh I just read about the I-185 the book I borrowed from LufKuhmist is quite something http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I-185: Since the new 18 cylinders engines were available, the 1-180 was obsolete so Polykarpov conceived the I-185 from January 25th to March 10th 1940.
Originally the I-185 was supposed to be equipped with the Shvetsov M-90 of 1750 hp. But the M90 wasnt ready yet, still some testing needed to be done so the first prototype was "deiced" b4 its first flight. Then a new prototype flew January 11th 1941, equipped with an 18 cylinders Shvetsov M-81. They concluded that the M-81 was underpowered so the plane was reequipped with an M-71 in May 1941. Then, according to the book, a 3rd prototype was made around the 14 cylinders M-82, 1330 hp, later pushed to 1400 hp, then a fourth prototype, with some modifications, and equipped again with the M-71, and flew June 10th 1942. The plane was submitted to intensive testings between Nov 42 and Jan 43.
Due to political tensions, the incapacity of the russians to build the M71 in large quantities, and finally the cell of the plane itself was too difficult to build in great quantities for the russian industry of that era. So the plane was forgotten...almost

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 12:06 PM
oh and to answer Lexx's post http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW2/He100-D1-1.jpg

very nice plane!

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Tipo_Man
08-02-2004, 02:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
If Stalin didn`t have personal beef with Polikarpov, i`d say early 1943 I-185s would hit production lines. If memory serves me well, I-185 saw field trials in November-December 1942, but.. they did have problems with engines...


<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


O yes they did! M-71 was never put into serial production even years later. Other planes intended for this engine never made it (there were quite a few).

And I dare to say that this plane is quite overmodelled.
First its given as a 1942 plane, while even its state trials were conducted in 1943 (this is even written in the readme file)! Its modelled according to the best results of one of the prototypes tested on these trials... And its well known that serial soviet planes of that era had much worse performance than the prototypes.For example the protype of LaGG-3 on military trials in 1940 showed mas speed of 600km/h while serial planes even two years later had max speed of 554km/h.
I think the plane should be listed as a 1944 year plane which seems most appropriate year for appearance of first serial I-185s (Of course if the M-71 engine by some kind of miracle had gotten finished and ready for production) .
So I think banning I-185 from pre-1944 servers the most appropriate soution right now.

Willey
08-02-2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
you forgot Go229 and YP80 Stiglr<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just might add:
Il-2I (5) - combat trials, hardly successful bomber interceptor, abandoned
MiG-2 ShVAK (52) - most of them factory mods
Yak-9K (48) - larger scale combat trials, nothing more
Bf-109G-6/AS[M] (&lt;100) - very few G-6/AS had MW-50, there were quite more Bf-109G-14/AS and a LOT more 109G-10 which was practically the same aircraft (with very few and insignificant differences)
He-162A - combat trials

Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 02:56 PM
Very well said Tipo!
The plane should not be labeled as 1942, since state trials happened in 43, the plane AT BEST would have reached the squads late in 43, about when the La5fn appeared too.

I think Im just gonna remove the I-185 from all Plane.DAT b4 at least 43.

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hoarmurath:
you forgot Go229 and YP80 Stiglr<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You just might add:
Il-2I (5) - combat trials, hardly successful bomber interceptor, abandoned
MiG-2 ShVAK (52) - most of them factory mods
Yak-9K (48) - larger scale combat trials, nothing more
Bf-109G-6/AS[M] (&lt;100) - very few G-6/AS had MW-50, there were quite more Bf-109G-14/AS and a LOT more 109G-10 which was practically the same aircraft (with very few and insignificant differences)
He-162A - combat trials<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

and you might add: I-153P (only one prototype built, I THINK)

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Willey
08-02-2004, 03:06 PM
I don't think the 185 turns that good in FB, comparing it to others like La-5/7 series or Yaks. It's rather in the 109G-6 range. Another reason not to take it might be the rather complex engine management. It overheats quite early, especially with closed radiators. Having them opened is a great view killer, topping even the 190 bar. And that supercharger. Quite strange, 3 gears. At 650 (M-82) / 1000 (M-71) 2nd gear, and somewhere at 3500 or so 3rd gear. You have to fiddle around with that even at low altitudes.

Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 03:22 PM
I agree the cowl flaps are quite a view blocker, but I dont agree about saying that its not a good turning plane. After 7 missions in my carrer, I still think its a pretty good turning plane, as good as the La5/F

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p1ngu666
08-02-2004, 05:57 PM
combat trials in late 42 tho? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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LEXX_Luthor
08-02-2004, 06:06 PM
The open rad view is my fave reason for flying I~185, it looks just AUSSOM and immersive and I can still fly with Hud Text OFF cos I can see the rad settings right in front of...my gunsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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LEXX_Luthor
08-02-2004, 06:16 PM
Thanks for the 100 pics Luftcaca. Almost looks like a line~up of Ki~61, sure to be listed as "1943" in FP. mmm, in the Olde Days they used Yak~1 as "Spit~1" for BoB missions.

Where do I find a "1941 He~100D" in FB...or mixed FBP? mmmm http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif


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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 09:05 PM
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/he100-001.jpg

heh Lexx and others, have a look at this site, awesome warbird pics!

http://www.warbirdpix.com/armynavy.htm

(Im aware most of you prolly already know that site)

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LEXX_Luthor
08-02-2004, 09:07 PM
Ah, so that's where heeheee http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif thanks

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 09:12 PM
OFF TOPIC

http://www.ijaafpics.com/JB&W/Ki-87-2s.jpg

have a look just how obvious is the turbocharger on that Jap bird...

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Luftcaca
08-02-2004, 09:16 PM
another interesting thing:

have a look at this Swiss MS406

http://www.vvs-regia-avions.com/Avions/MS406-014.jpg

4 blades prop?
I wonder what engine this version has...

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IL-10
Pe-3

Flying_Merkava
08-02-2004, 11:13 PM
So did the I-185 see combat or not? And I mean flight combat not nazis invading it's factory.

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Cragger
08-03-2004, 12:15 AM
Yes

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WereSnowleopard
08-03-2004, 05:37 PM
So should We have He-100 in IL2? I think we better wait to add it into BOB. Oooooh! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Same thing with FW-187!

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p1ngu666
08-03-2004, 06:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
The open rad view is my fave reason for flying I~185, it looks just AUSSOM and immersive and I can still fly with Hud Text OFF cos I can see the rad settings right in front of...my gunsight http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Ask any air combat vet about his/her Lust to grab the Stick of prototype or experimental planes Friendly or Captured Enemy. Then we may shine light on the difference between military aviation enthusiasts and runny snots calling themselves flight simmers. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish _"Gladiator"_ listed as _J8A_ _...in Aces Expansion Pack_

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_"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..."_ ~Bearcat99
_"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age"_ ~ElAurens
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_"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore_!_"_ ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif @ first part

and agree on the 2nd part http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
i might make some underused planes coops next week
190Z, go229, 262 BOMBER http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif etc

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